Remedial Education Supplement: Natural Born Citizen

©2009 drkate

See updated NBC chart at end of post

Hey Congress!  Wake Up!  (plays loud, screeching rock music over giant intercom)

Ok.  Most of you flunked yesterday’s assignment, and a few of you actually had the guts to show up here and waste your 5 minutes commenting when you should have been studying.

Yesterday I gave you a basic picture conveying the concept of Natural Born Citizen.  Here is something a little more complicated, as you have to read the chart and maybe know some latin or legal terms, but study this chart from The Birthers:

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A Quiz

You’ve got five minutes to determine the citizenship of the offspring of the following set of parents.  Assume the child offspring was born in the USA.

Case Study 1.: Father never a US Citizen

Father                                                                                                Mother

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WHAT CITIZENSHIP IS THE CHILD AT BIRTH?

Bonus Question:  Can a dual citizen be President of the United States? Under what authority?

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What happens if you add Indonesian citizenship to the mix?

Is the citizenship of the child of this union the same as the child of the union shown below?

NBC Defined Graphic

If we assume Obama was born in Hawai’i,  then an updated diagram from Jefferson’s Rebels further shows Obama’s ineligibility.

Those readers familiar with this subject are aware of the fundamental, threshold ineligibility of Obama due to his citizenship at birth…he is a natural born British subject.  Mario Apuzzo, The Birthers, and Leo Donofrio have excellent and detailed treatises on this subject.  In addition, He’s Not My President has a detailed book on the subject, called “The Natural Born Citizen Book”.  All these sites are on the blogroll and a wealth of knowledge is easily accessed.

So, Congress, it doesn’t matter where he was born.

Bobby Jindhal has a problem as a Natural Born Citizen as well.  At the time of little Bobby’s birth, both parents were not American citizens (h/t Erica)

Psst! RINOs, you’d better not even try to run him in 2012.


34 Responses to “Remedial Education Supplement: Natural Born Citizen”


  1. 1 karl November 3, 2009 at 7:33 am

    Actually it might be quite interesting should Jindal enter in ’12 or later. If the D’s howl the door would open wide for the examination of NBC. How could either party not have to face the issue head on with the ultimate legal judgment being the outcome?
    Just my theory that Jindal’s entrance to running for POTUS might just clear up what the “educated” already know to be what a Natural Born Citizen is!

    • 2 drkate November 3, 2009 at 7:52 am

      I agree, it would open the door. But I think Jindhal should help us now! Like saying ‘i am putting aside all plans for president because I am not an NBC”…

  2. 3 susan h November 3, 2009 at 9:59 am

    Some Obie’s tried to use McCain’s birth status as evidence that “he wasn’t born in this country either”. But that situation is totally different. McCain’s parents were both U.S. citizens, and they were a military family. McCain was born while his father was on Navy assignment in the Panama Canal. See article below discussing same. Interesting, the media refuses to “discuss” the implications of Obama’s Kenyan birth, which should be FRONT and CENTER if everyone wasn’t running so scared of being called RACISTS.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html?_r=1

  3. 4 Quantum Leap November 3, 2009 at 1:48 pm

    What citizenship is the child at birth?
    Naturalized citizen because his father was not a citizen.

    What happens if you add Indonesian citizenship to the mix?
    Same as above only he has dual allegiance and is not a natural born citizen.
    In all the cases the father was never a citizen so the child is not a natural born citizen. They are only ‘naturlized’ citizens.

    Is Mac a Natrual born citizen?
    Yes. He was born of 2 american citizens and on US soil being the US army base even if it was in Panama.

    Grade me.

    • 5 drkate November 3, 2009 at 7:46 pm

      Looks like an A, Quantum…

      • 6 Ali November 3, 2009 at 8:17 pm

        I thought McCain was born in Colon hospital? A private hospital? And thus not born on “american” soil. Besides, I believe those born overseas (even those born overseas ON u.s. base) of american parents to be citizens “by statute” — thus NOT natural born citizens — if one is a “natural born citizen”, one is not “naturalized” nor gains their citizenship status via statute.
        Leo had a great article on it with citations, of course :smile: , whether or not I can find it on his site is another question.

      • 7 Quantum Leap November 3, 2009 at 8:54 pm

        OH! :lol: I winged it.

    • 8 Ali November 3, 2009 at 8:25 pm

      Quantum, you know I love you :smile: but read my reply below (just under dr. kate’s)

      • 9 Ali November 3, 2009 at 8:27 pm

        quantum, it appears my reply is above, rather than below

      • 10 Quantum Leap November 3, 2009 at 9:03 pm

        Oh I didn’t know about the hospital. May be I got a B.

        As a kid I was taught that kids born to 2 service parents overseas are natural born citizens. We were interested in this as kids because my 2 sets of grand parents were from Poland and Italy and never got naturalized, died as non citizens with dual allegiance. Sang songs about their native countries and missed it deeply. Fled because of communism/fascism and came through Ellis Island. Refrained from speaking their native tongue to assimilate.

  4. 11 Quantum Leap November 3, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    Except I don’t think obama is even a naturalized citizen. He is a citizen by marriage..green card applicant.

    So he is disqualified to be president.

    OT: The Chech leader signed the EU treaty even though he didn’t really want to. Here we go.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091103/ap_on_re_eu/eu_czech_eu_treaty

  5. 12 kay November 3, 2009 at 3:10 pm

    )T but…
    No more StarKist Tuna for me….. SNOPES” VALIDATES THE FACTS BELOW : Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi’s home district includes San Francisco. StarKist Tuna’s headquarters are in San Francisco, Pelosi’s home district. StarKist is owned by Del Monte Foods and is a major contributor to Pelosi. StarKist is the major employer in American Samoa employing 75% of the Samoan work force. Paul Pelosi, Nancy’s husband, owns $17 million dollars of StarKist stock. In January, 2007 when the minimum wage was increased from $5.15 to $7.25, Pelosi had American Samoa exempted from the increase so Del Monte would not have to pay the higher wage. This would make Del Monte products less expensive than that of its competitors. Last week when the huge bailout bill was passed, Pelosi added an e armark to the final bill adding $33 million dollars for an “economic development credit in American Samoa” Pelosi has called the Bush Administration “CORRUPT” and many other things!!! How do you spell “HYPOCRISY” ? SHE’S SHAMELESS…. EVERY AMERICA N SHOULD GET THIS E-MAIL.

    • 13 Talk2ThePaw November 3, 2009 at 9:51 pm

      I have boycotted Starkist since the 2004 election when I found this information when researching Mr/Mrs. botox Kerry and there holdings in Starkist.

  6. 14 Quantum Leap November 3, 2009 at 9:06 pm

    Yep I learned that from an obot that I know. He’s a citizen by marriage. :lol:

  7. 15 Quantum Leap November 3, 2009 at 9:13 pm

    Sounds like Pelosi. No surprise there. Her husband is her money funneler. He was given contracts to clean up Katrina. Many deals like this has made her a multi millionaire. They have several LLC’s and dozens of offshore accounts where they do not pay taxes. We get raped of our money with the huge chunks out of our income and they walk down the yellow brick road of tax free wealth. For them, they will get their just rewards at judgement day. Getting into ‘heaven’ will be like a whale going through the eye of a needle. How do they sleep at night? Sleeping pills and booze?

  8. 16 kay November 3, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    I’m a girl of a few words….

  9. 17 kay November 3, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    if I had a hammer! She would be long gone!
    Karma do your work on this devil….Nancy

  10. 19 kay November 3, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    How do you hurt such a hurtin heart?
    Tell the truth you LIAR!!!!!

  11. 20 kay November 3, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    notice the holes in his face…left and right..it;s camouflaged! see through it!!!!

  12. 21 Ali November 3, 2009 at 9:56 pm

    Thank you Dr. Kate for a great post — I LOVE the graphics :smile:

  13. 22 kay November 3, 2009 at 11:56 pm

    who won??? ny and nj????

  14. 24 kay November 4, 2009 at 12:01 am

    The snake lost! :)

    • 25 drkate November 4, 2009 at 1:13 am

      LOL Kay! yes, just finished a post congratulating Americans for winning on Tuesday! NJ, VA flipped; the race in NY too close to call…I am sure acorn or some voting irregularity happened here, aside from scuzzball who acted the part…

  15. 26 Papoose November 4, 2009 at 7:13 am

    Barry’s not a full-blood American and without proof of his birthplace we cannot even be sure his children are.

    Being content with the surmisal he was born in Hawaii, he still is not a full-blood American, regardless of the technicality of his father’s citizenship.

    (Fact: He’s half anti-American by birth and wholly anti-American by nature.)

    Its obvious he pulled the American card to serve as a convenience. He apparently has a whole deck, including a green card, depending on his game plan. But, without the American father card, he must fold.

    The guy is not a natural born citizen of the United States of America. The proof is that the “subject” cannot even be discussed in the press or over American airwaves. Shhhhhh.Let’s pretend…

    Btw, I loved the idea of the “green card”. That would be a beautiful thing. LOL.

  16. 27 Erica November 8, 2009 at 7:28 pm

    I have created a companion graphic to the one shown above, and the link is below. By the way, I have revised the graphic above for better clarity, so you might want to go back to http://www.jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com to download the latest version.

    Graphic Defining “Citizen” vs “Natural Born Citizen”
    http://jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/2009/11/graphic-defining-citizen-vs-natural.html

    P.S. According to Wikipedia “Jindal was born on June 10, 1971, in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Agarwal Indian immigrants Amar and Raj Jindal, who had recently arrived for Amar to attend graduate school at Louisiana State University”. In this case, BOTH parents were not citizens when he was born.

    • 28 Ali November 8, 2009 at 7:49 pm

      Erica, how coincidental lol — I just left a comment for Dr. Kate and all regarding the concept of natural born citizen. I would welcome your input.

      “Thank you for the graphic Dr. Kate. Something that has bothered me regarding the Natural Born Citizen = born on U.S. soil to U.S. citizen parents is the notion that the parents need only be naturalized citizens. It appears from this graph, and from my gut, that it would make more sense that a Natural Born Citizen = born on U.S. soil to U.S. BORN citizen parents. It just seems that extra jump would more likely provide an additional sense of allegiance and loyalty to the U.S..
      Many of us who were born overseas and have a naturalized parent can relate to some sense of allegiance to the homeland of our naturalized parent — especially when we visit, nurture and maintain our relationship with our extended family overseas.

      http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/obama-what-are-you-afraid-of/#comment-2558

    • 29 drkate November 8, 2009 at 7:51 pm

      Erica, I am honored that you would drop by here and add, update your graphics. They are terrific! One of my readers linked to your site about three weeks ago…I’ve been hooked ever since.

      Thanks for the info on Jindal.

  17. 30 Erica November 8, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    Ali,

    Partly right.  It irrelevant whether the parents are “natural born citizens”, ordinary citizens with rights and responsibilities (like Obama’s status), or naturalized citizens; the key is that they BOTH be U.S. citizens at the moment the child is born.

    If you haven’t already done so, I recommend you spend some time reading the following blogs:

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/

    http://www.naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com

  18. 31 Erica November 8, 2009 at 9:58 pm

    Apologies. After Ali’s analysis of my graphic, I eventually went back to read it again for logic errors, and indeed found one in my statement, so I have revised the graphic to correct the record.

    Hopefully, this will make it easier to understand.

    http://jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/2009/11/graphic-defining-citizen-vs-natural.html


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