Huckabee Presidential Forum

©2011 drkate

Mike Huckabee sponsored an excellent two-hour Presidential forum  on December 3, 2011, where the republican candidates had a great opportunity to speak their minds on questions posed by several of the states’ Attorneys General.  The same questions were asked of all the candidates.  There are 7 parts to this video which can be found here.

Ron Paul’s interview is here:

To be frank, I was a little disappointed that Dr. Paul missed an opportunity to really show how much he knows about the Constitution and its amendments.  In particular, he was given an opportunity to talk about the “worst amendment”…and he mentions Prohibition…not the Sixteenth or Seventeenth Amendments, for example, which I know he has mentioned as unconstitutional at other times.

I realize no ‘debate’ offers the whole view of the man, but I have a few questions as to missed opportunities.

Was this strategy?  An oversight?  An agreement not to mention it?

How could Ron Paul improve on his ability to speak the Constitution to Americans, not just his supporters?

What do you think were his best moments, and, can you find a video that answers the questions above?

188 Responses to “Huckabee Presidential Forum”


  1. 1 drkate December 6, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    OT…apologize for my absence the last few days…family duties and honoring of my recently passed, recently freed Mother. :smile:

    • 2 no-nonsense-nancy December 6, 2011 at 4:16 pm

      God Bless you, Kate and your family. I’m sure your mother is resting in peace with her maker.

      • 3 heather December 6, 2011 at 4:45 pm

        I find the month of December a very hard and sad 31 days for myself as well. I lost my mom on Dec 3rd and buried her on the 6th — 10 yrs to this Dec 3rd. I am sorry to say that time does not heal all wounds, time just goes by. My mother was my best friend and we were extremely close – so I understand Dr. Kate. But to honor my mom I just continue to go on, even though it’s a very depressing time for me.

        My mother is rolling in her grave as she was one of the most patriotic people I ever knew next to my father and grandparents. Those people do not exist today. It’s all about ME and what can you do for ME!

        I thank God for having had the up bringing that they gave me because that too is a rare commodity.

        • 4 drkate December 6, 2011 at 5:33 pm

          Heather, my prayers for you…you are right about time, and, one eventually –so I hear–’reconciles’ the loss. My mother was out of the US during the 40s and 50s…so I grew up founded in the US constitution and those morals which seem to be long gone…I am grateful beyond words, and, to be honest, glad that Mom isn’t here to witness and experience what we all are experiencing. We will make it back to the Constitution, but it won’t be easy. In our parents’ honor, I vow to never let their sacrifices go in vain.

          • 5 heather December 6, 2011 at 8:06 pm

            I have so much admiration and respect for you Dr. Kate, you are like me in a lot of ways, tough and strong when we need to be and soft to the core when need be. You are a true friend and I will always honor that.

            I stand with you!

  2. 6 Starla December 6, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    A MUST READ ARTICLE!!

    “BILLIONS FOR DEFENSE, BUT NOT ONE CENT FOR EMPIRE”

    By Bruce Fein

    December 6, 2011

    Excerpt:

    “When it comes to deterring and preventing wars of aggression against the United States, no candidate for the presidency is more hawkish than Ron Paul.

    His foreign policy would be an adaptation of the Founding Fathers’ creed saluted in the Constitution’s preamble: Billions for a common defense, but not one cent for extravagant preemptive wars seeking world domination, a risk-free existence, and a planet purged of tyranny and sin. He would not spend $120 billion annually to confront 50 members of al Qaida in Afghanistan with 100,000 troops when international terrorists can be captured or killed with special forces.”

    Read More Here: http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/06/billions-for-defense-but-not-one-cent-for-empire/#ixzz1fnMbQfvT

    • 7 Starla December 8, 2011 at 3:19 pm

      MUST SEE OUTSTANDING VIDEOS!!

      Constitutional Scholar Bruce Fein: American Empire Before The Fall 1/3

      * * * *

      Constitutional Scholar Bruce Fein: American Empire Before The Fall 3/3

  3. 8 Jan December 6, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Welcome back Dr. K, you are in our prayers. We missed you but we understand.

  4. 9 jane December 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    my mother passed away over 10 years ago…I think of her every single day as I do my father who passed 4 years ago…..Holidays bring back all the memories of our youth and the things we learned – traditions, values, integrity, etc.

    We carry on the traditions in their honor.

    Time only heals the pain, but the emptiness will remain.

  5. 10 Quantum Leap December 6, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    The fix is in for the elections? Is this guy credible? We need a landslide with Dr Paul as president..How do we accomplish this?

    http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2011/12/05/martial-law-the-fix-is-in/#comments

    • 11 heather December 6, 2011 at 8:40 pm

      Bush laid the ground rules for all of this for barry to follow–he did it behind the iron curtain that shields we the people from the criminal dealings in DC. Barry of course was hand chosen to deliver these blows to us.

      The bushs, clintons, gores, obamas, all of them and their cronies are traitors. Maybe we the people should beat them at their own game.

  6. 12 Quantum Leap December 6, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    My mum passed at a very young age of 71. That was almost 20 years ago.
    She could read my mind. It was scary. And dying is scary for anyone.
    Hot baths and peppermint tea help with grief. Throw in a half of a muscle relaxer and the grief won’t settle in the body.

    • 13 heather December 6, 2011 at 8:11 pm

      QL–my mother was 71 as well and a very young 71. She worked out with the guys in her gym and could do 200 crunches along with them.

      I stayed the full 18 hrs and 2 bags of morphine it took to due her in and even the nurse said it never takes 2 bags…….there is enough blame to go around, but my first is to her husband, my step father and 2nd is the dr that decided it was her time to leave. Things I will never forget and people I will never forgive.

      Jane-you are 100% right on with that!

  7. 14 Quantum Leap December 6, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Aww, keep going Dr Paul. He is saying things that must be heard and understood. Imagine him as president…….. America would become strong again. No Mo bowing down and taking it. No Mo raiding of the coffers by slick willies. UN Nato?? naaaa
    He will not succeed in phasing out SS. Won’t happen.

  8. 17 cedartree December 6, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Did you hear Gretta and Newt?
    She said “what would you say if Trump asks you the birther question?”
    and newt said
    “I believe he was born in Hawaii”
    what a cop-out
    never mentioned the US Supreme Court RULING in Minor v. Happersett which defines a natural born citizen as born of 2 US citizen parents on US soil.

    They’re all CFR, someone’s gotta get up and break down this house of cards.

  9. 21 jane December 6, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    not that voting will even matter…martial law will be implemented……the fact that NO candidate will address his lack of eligibility, tells me everything I need to know.

    They don’t care….obviously they want O to stay in office.

    I will not vote this election cycle. What IS the point?

    ANY candidate that debates on that one issue alone, may have my vote…if not, then I won’t be prancing to any polling booths.

    • 22 Tenacity December 6, 2011 at 8:39 pm

      A no vote by a patriot is a vote for Obama. Complacency is what put him into office in the first place.

      “Winners never quit and quitters never win.” Vince Lombardi

      Staying home IS quitting. Those who stay home during this primary have surrendered to the banksters. Eligibility is very important, but it is not the only issue and, at this point, a dangerous one. See my comment above for other very important issues.

      • 23 heather December 6, 2011 at 9:29 pm

        What would happen if no one voted? Please don’t take this as a stupid question but the thought has crossed my mind. Barry was elected for 4 yrs/1 term only and if no one voted — what happens?

        • 24 Tenacity December 6, 2011 at 10:04 pm

          Odds against higher than 1 times 10 to the 50th power is considered impossible. Your hypothetical has to be well above that. You have a megalomaniac usurper in office exercising dictatorial powers now. Would he not take that as a mandate that the people are satisfied with him and grant himself a life term? S/Ob would stay in the White House until somebody drove him out.

          • 25 heather December 6, 2011 at 10:19 pm

            He could think that way–but he only has 1 term allowed, but it was just a question…thanks for your opinion though.

            • 26 bill December 7, 2011 at 5:12 am

              There has been many charges that E-voting is rigged like a Vegas slot machine
              and this may be true ? .I do know some time ago here in Houston,the warehouse
              these machines were stored,caught fire and burned ?. I don’t know what election
              procedures are from state to state but for me paper ballots are the only way to “write in” your candidate of choice.Just my opinion ,but “not voting at all ” forfeits one of the only responses I have,so whatever the case,I will vote even if I am wrong.

      • 28 Quantum Leap December 7, 2011 at 4:22 pm

        NOooooooo….. complacency didn’t get him the win. He cheated. That’s what she’s saying. Cheating martial law it’s all the same. He was never ever eligible to get on the ballot in Indiana. See my post below.

  10. 29 heather December 6, 2011 at 8:18 pm

    A caller today called to the Neal Boortz radio show this morning which I just happened to catch. That caller quoted Habberstad vs Minor, so after a break Boortz read the law on that and said, it all had to do with women voting and the conspiracy nuts need to stop citing this law. I was so ticked off I slammed the button off.

    What is it with these people ( boortz is a lawyer and should know to look further) that have blinders on. I don’t get this. I was hoping Tenacity was listening and thought of him CORRECTING boortz so we could all hear him squirm!

  11. 32 heather December 6, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Here is one of Rush’s rants today and I posted the most important part of his so called speech.

    OMG—we cannot take another 4 yrs of this criminal or any more of these radical DC thugs—we will never have our rights back nor will America ever be the same again. This is an emergency situation.

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/12/06/rnc_decides_not_to_criticize_a_president_who_is_cynically_dividing_and_destroying_the_country

    RUSH: Okay, I gotta run through this one more time because Obama’s in Osawatomie, Kansas, he just said we can’t return to a “you’re on your own” economy, “you’re on your own economy.” Can’t return to that. He wants everybody to be economically dependent on the government one way or the other. You’re not on your own, we can’t return to that. He just ripped into CEOs. He just ripped into people in the top 1%. They’re greedy, they’re selfish, they’re the cause for all this, it’s been going on for decades, nobody’s been able to stop it but now we’re gonna put our foot down. And while all this was going on, a private phone call from the RNC to a bunch of its supporters saying, “Do not attack Obama personally. He is loved; he is admired; people don’t think he’s a bad guy out to change the United States for the worse, don’t go there.”

  12. 33 heather December 6, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/06/naacp-taking-complaints-about-us-voter-laws-to-united-nations/

    since when does the UN have jurisdiction over us? are these dems so desperate to keep this criminal in they would risk our sovereignty?–what little we have left–or is this deliberate?

  13. 34 heather December 6, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    the only true conservative

  14. 37 Tenacity December 6, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    The world knows how screwed up this country is and we have to go outside our country to hear the truth.

    • 38 bill December 7, 2011 at 5:22 am

      Very eye opening video and when the silent majority starts speaking up,We can change this.Thanks for posting.cheers

  15. 39 Jan December 6, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    I have just received a vital message that I sent to Dr. Kate as hers is the only e-mail address I have.
    FEMA Camps are being activated.
    The message I received is very long so if Dr. K wants to put it on this blog she has my permission. It was sent to me by Charles Kolb and I fully trust his connections.
    Otherwise, keep your eyes and ears open, be prepared. With obat leaving the country for a 17-day vacation, all hell could be breaking lose just before Christmas.

    • 40 drkate December 7, 2011 at 12:02 am

      Here it is:

      Some of you might not want to read this, some of you won’t believe it, but I feel compelled to send it so you don’t wake up one morning and say “Why didn’t someone tell me”. I have been monitoring the FEMA camps for over five years and with the passage of this latest bill through Congress/Senate and waiting for obama’s signature, the fact that Homeland Security has been stockpiling dehydrated foods, advertising for additional military style employees, Homeland Security adding Patriots and returning Veterans to their “possible terrorists list”, I pray that God will protect us.

      I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
      As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down
      my life for the sheep. John 10:14-15 KJV

      INTERCEPT !
      Government Activating
      FEMA Camps Across U.S. !!!

      Thanks – CS Old Yellers Revenge

      Exclusive: Government Activating FEMA Camps Across U.S.

      The following was hard to read so I have added it at the bottom of this message. It is a call for bids on contracts involving the FEMA Camps.

      Services up for bid include catering, temporary fencing and barricades, laundry and medical services, power generation, refuse collection, and other services required for temporary “emergency environment” camps located in five regions of the United States.

      Internment Camp Services Bid Arrives After NDAA
      KBR’s call for FEMA camp service bids arrives soon after the Senate overwhelmingly passed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which permits the military to detain and interrogate supposed domestic terror suspects in violation of the Fourth Amendment and Posse Comitatus.

      Section 1031 of the NDAA bill declares the whole of the United States as a “battlefield” and allows American citizens to be arrested on U.S. soil and incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay.
      A number of civil liberties groups have come out in strong opposition to the legislation, most notably the Japanese American Citizens League (JACL), the nation’s oldest and largest Asian American civil and human rights organization.

      In a letter addressed to Congress, S. Floyd Mori, the national director of JACL, said the NDAA is the first time that Congress has scaled back on the protections provided by the Non-Detention Act of 1971. Mori said the legislation, if enacted and put into use, would be reminiscent of the unconstitutional indefinite detention of Japanese Americans during World War II.

      Police State 4: The Rise of FEMA Full Lenth

      KBR Instrumental in Establishing Camps in 2006
      In 2006, KBR was awarded a contingency contract from the Department of Homeland Security, allegedly to support its Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency, Market Watch reported.

      The contract was effective immediately and provided for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, the company explained.

      ***
      Rand Paul was successful in eliminating the indefinite detention of American citizens amendment, I believe.

    • 41 drkate December 7, 2011 at 12:05 am

      Thank you Jan…posted above.

    • 43 Troy December 7, 2011 at 3:01 am

      Other than the passage of the latest “Police State” bill through Congress, what prompted your friend to sound this alarm?….If it was that AJ video, that video is old and has been out since 2009….Is there something else not mentioned above or is it based solely on the KBR contracting / movement?

      Just trying to get as much info as I can….Thanks!

  16. 47 Troy December 7, 2011 at 3:05 am

    The communists are prepping the 2012 propaganda machine for the Chimp ‘n Chief.
    ++++++++++++

    NBC newsrooms get fresh leftist invasion
    Broadcaster teams with ‘journalism’ outfit founded by Barack Obama campaigners
    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: December 06, 2011
    8:52 pm Eastern

    By Aaron Klein
    © 2011 WND

    NBC-owned television stations in cities across the nation just teamed up with a nonprofit “journalism” group funded by a billionaire husband-and-wife team who not only spent millions campaigning for President Obama but also topped donor lists to groups such as ACORN and MoveOn.org.

    Read more: NBC newsrooms get fresh leftist invasion http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=375053#ixzz1fqFo8C1T

  17. 48 Troy December 7, 2011 at 3:22 am

    I’m getting really sick of this kind of crap!…..Why don’t don’t they just build specific dressing rooms that are label accordingly with large signage….Hell, I think they should make the overhead signs, above the doorways, with bright flashing neon – MALE, FEMALE, HERMAPHRODITE, TRANNY, IN PROGRESS, UNDECIDED, HUMANIMAL, HUMAVEGETABLE, HUMINSECT
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Macy’s clerk fired for booting man from women’s dressing room
    Miracle on 34th Street’s ‘store with a heart’ getting unwanted headlines
    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: December 06, 2011
    8:36 pm Eastern

    By Bob Unruh
    © 2011 WND

    The non-profit legal advocacy group Liberty Counsel plans to confront Macy’s because the retailer dismissed a clerk who intervened when a man headed for the women’s dressing room.

    Clerk Natalie Johnson, according to Liberty Counsel, reported that she saw a man walking out of the fitting room reserved for women at the San Antonio, Texas, Macy’s and “politely told him that he could not go back in because it was for women only.”

    What’s going on in the U.S.? Find out in “A Queer Thing Happened to America.”

    Johnson later told her employer, the store chain featured in the classic “Miracle on 34th Street” as the “store with a heart,” that she could not allow a male to change in a females’ fitting room because of her religious beliefs. She cited the company’s policy that protects against religious discrimination.

    Macy’s officials, however, ordered her to allow “transgender” customers to change in any dressing room they wished and warned that if she wouldn’t comply she would be fired.

    “Johnson refused to go against her sincerely held religious beliefs and was terminated from her job,” Liberty Counsel reported.

    The man seen coming out of the women’s room was “cross-dressing” and said he is “female,” the legal group said.

    Read more: Macy’s clerk fired for booting man from women’s dressing room http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=374893#ixzz1fqHELi2f

    • 49 heather December 7, 2011 at 9:02 am

      Troy, I believe I posted the same on the previous thread!! Imagine going to look for a dressing room and seeing all those names posted—hmm I would be confused enough to just walk out and not go back. Crap there are too many stores to just shop in one.

      But Macys of all places…whats next?

      Of course we all know who and what is behind all of this—the radical liberal commies all belonging to barry soetoro.

    • 50 DABIGRAGU December 7, 2011 at 4:34 pm

      Wait just a minute…what about the safety and privacy of other women and girls?? I wouldn’t want my wife mother or sister in ANY dressing room that allowed the opposite sex to just waltz in. Are they now going to be employing security in Macy’s dressing rooms? This is insane, just think what some pervert could get away with. How does anyone really know for certain if one is just a cross-dresser? I’m personally sick and tired of them pushing the ‘other’ agenda down our throats at the risk of others safety.

    • 52 Troy December 7, 2011 at 3:55 am

      He’s wrong about why the EU is going down the crapper, but then again a Godless atheist wouldn’t be able to see his own role in the collapse or able to see the forest for the trees….Hey, Mr. Atheist, maybe God doesn’t approve of the degenerate EU or of you either.

  18. 53 Troy December 7, 2011 at 4:00 am

    Stay away from Dubai….They’re having a little bit of a problem!

    The Poop Train – All Aboard!

  19. 54 jane December 7, 2011 at 4:34 am

    Not voting due to my personal ethics …I won’t apologize.

    You give me ONE reason to vote for any Republican candidate at this juncture.

    As I have said before, there will NOT be an election.
    It’s all a scam.

    I won’t settle just because O is the frontrunner.
    I couldn’t live with my conscience by voting for a person I don’t trust regardless of who is in power.
    In fact, there isn’t ONE viable candidate…Ron Paul? He will never get the nomination and no, I don’t trust him either.

    It’s all a show folks.

    • 55 Troy December 7, 2011 at 7:00 am

      You give me ONE reason to vote for any Republican candidate at this juncture.
      ++++++++++
      What if their plan was to repulse and demoralize people to the point that they said, “to hell with it all – I won’t even vote”…..If true, it would mean that you were played and they won….I can understand a write-in “protest vote” for Mickey Mouse, but I can’t understand no vote at all.

      Yeah, all the republican candidates suck….So what’s new?… They’ve sucked in every single election…..They don’t suck as bad as the communist usurper.

      Just one reason???…..Do you have any kids or grand-kids who are not old enough to vote?….If so, then vote for one of them and you don’t have to vote for some one – vote AGAINST Obama and then tell that young one that you invested in his / her future….There’s your one reason.

  20. 56 jane December 7, 2011 at 8:10 am

    Troy, I do respect your posts on here, but I cannot support what I do not believe!

    They are all traitors. A vote for no one means I do not believe nor do I support the system.

    The voting is rigged. I am not influenced by others, only by what my heart and soul say to me.

    • 57 Tenacity December 7, 2011 at 9:30 am

      We all have the God given right to choose our path. I would hope that past Obama supporters would choose to not participate. If I were an Obama supporter, I would certainly try to get real patriots to not participate. They* won’t even have to cheat if they can get the opposition to lay down.

    • 58 Troy December 7, 2011 at 11:15 am

      Well, Jane, you are certainly entitled to vote or not vote as you please, but I am crossing my fingers in hopes that not too many take your position or else we will be stuck with four more years of communist destruction.

      I agree that the Repubs aren’t worth a damn, but at least putting a new idiot in the White House will slow down the destruction due having to get settled in.

      With Obama, we KNOW the end is immediately upon us….With a new traitor, the process will be slowed back down….That might buy us a little time for extraordinary measures.

      We have to put in someone new and get Barry out!!!!!!!

      We’ll get rid of the new guy in 2016….We’ll keep repeating the process until we finally get someone who can be trusted with an additional four years / two terms.

      Right now, Ron Paul is the closest thing we have to someone worthy of electing.

      Jane, don’t go vote FOR anyone – Go vote AGAINST someone!

      • 59 Ann December 7, 2011 at 11:57 am

        Agreed! I can’t imagine anybody NOT wanting to get rid of the Usurper! IMO anyone that doesn’t vote has no right to complain. Sounds like a cop-out to me.

    • 60 hockeyfan530 December 7, 2011 at 2:02 pm

      jane,

      i agree with you. To me if they refuse to address the eligibility they are part of the problem. I will vote for someone that does address the issue whether he/she has a chance to win or not.
      The way i see it if Obama wins again it will be far worse than the first 4 years. It may get so bad that people that should have done something about Barry in 08 will HAVE to do something about it.

      I can’t complain, argue, fight…whatever else about the eligibility and then vote for someone that says it doesn’t matter. Obviously we don’t have the same principles so no vote or money

  21. 61 bill December 7, 2011 at 8:19 am

    OT but the latest from Dr. Manning ,have a look if you wish.It makes sense to me,you will be required to decide.
    http://atlah.org/2011/12/06/nato-forces-killed-24-pakistanis-to-cover-obama-osama-lie/

  22. 62 Tenacity December 7, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    This is a very revealing video

    • 63 Quantum Leap December 7, 2011 at 4:42 pm

      That’s right. He’s a dem at heart. He’ll say whatever the people want to hear just like everyone else except Ron Paul.

  23. 64 jane December 7, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    the votes are rigged people! We will have martial law in place and there will be NO VOTING!

    FEMA camps are getting into full operation mode as I type and they are recruiting people to “work” there.

    JUST imagine what this all means………..so voting is useless.

    Cannot vote O out of office. He is here to stay…since I believe he is the AC or the frontrunner.

    Read Revelations.

    • 65 Paula December 7, 2011 at 2:36 pm

      To put our minds at ease, and as a member of the Body of Christ, which is the pillar and ground of the truth, please know and understand that the Revelation does not teach doctrine for the Body of Christ, the Church of this present dispensation of God’s grace. It is for our learning and understanding as to God’s whole purpose of what he is doing in the heavens and the earth, which is to reclaim them from the dominion of Satan. The Revelation describes mostly what will be taking place on earth during God’s wrath which is the time of Jacob’s trouble, a.k.a. the Tribulation. The BOC is to inherit the heavenly places and we are called out (a.k.a. the rapture) prior to the Tribulation period, because we are not destined unto the wrath of God which is so prominently spoken about in the OT prophets, as well as, Matt-John and Hebrews – Revelation. The subject is not referred to but a handful of times by the Apostle Paul who is our authority (the one whom we are supposed to listen to today for our salvation and doctrine)

      Romans 5:9~Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

      1 Thes. 5:9~For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

      Grace and peace by God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

      • 66 Tenacity December 7, 2011 at 4:56 pm

        We should not have to be debating other Christians here, but when you come teaching false doctrine, you leave me little choice.
        First, a pre-tribulation rapture does not exist in Scripture. It’s just not there. The idea of a ‘rapture’ (that word doesn’t exist in the Bible) in Scripture is only associated with the ‘Day of the LORD’ which occurs after the tribulation which is a whole other discussion. Futurism is a Jesuit invention like Preterism, both theories propagated to counter the proper prophetic exegesis/teachings of the Reformation. See http://www.godssabbathtruth.com/sabbath-antichrist.html

        Now regarding Dispensationalism. I could write a book here, but will just refer those interested to a couple of decent websites. Don’t assume I agree with everything said at these sites. You can discern for yourself.
        http://www.inchristalone.org/ProblemsDispen.htm

        • 68 Paula December 7, 2011 at 6:51 pm

          No debating here; just speaking the truth in love with the hopes that all members of the Body of Christ will come unto the knowledge of the truth which God HAS given unto us. According to God’s word, I know they won’t, because He says they won’t, but it is His will, nevertheless; however, for those that will listen to the Word of God with ears to hear what God says and not men (let God be true and every man a liar) with their different religious denominations that they have developed as puppets of Satan (taken captive by him to do his will– which is to deceive the masses).

          There is only one way in which understanding can be had of the word of God and that is to study it rightly divided (2 Tim. 2:15 KJB). Most people have been tricked by Satan to divide the word of God between OT & NT, but that is only a deception to keep people from the truth.

          Exactly right, Tenacity, Believers can discern for themselves the truth of the word of God…IF they want it. The Holy Spirit cannot teach the unteachable–those who want to continue on in their religious, false doctrinal pride. The false gospels and false doctrines only come from refusing to listen to the Apostle Paul as our authority today (2 Tim 2:7~Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in ALL things; 1 Cor. 14:37~If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord). With those two Scriptures right there, you have to determine who you are going to listen to today for instructions (commandments) on how to be saved and live for God, because the 12 Apostles & the prophets of OT versus the Apostle Paul give different instructions for living for God. The Apostle Paul, alone, was given the revelation of the mystery, which was that God was saving mankind by his grace apart from any works, as well as apart from Israel (as in OT thru first part of Acts) (their program included faith +works and a Gentile had to come through raised up Israel–Ask yourself if Israel is raised up today–Romans 11 has the answer to that). Israel is fallen today, therefore so is her Godly program of faith plus works (that doesn’t work today in the dispensation of the grace of God). God is saving both Jew & Gentile and baptizing into the Body of Christ those who trust the cross-work of Christ (plus nothing else for their salvation).

          I assume that you believe in the “Trinity”, right Tenacity? Well, that word is not in the Bible, either. But you believe the concept, right? The word rapture, if I’m not mistaken is a Latin word meaning to be snatched and carried away, but for those who don’t like the word to be used, I don’t have to use it to take hold of the doctrine that is right there in the Apostle Paul’s letters. Here in 1 Thess. is the description of being caught up and carried away into the heavenlies where our inheritance is:

          1 Thes. 4:13-18~But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

          When I rightly divide this part of Scripture to me, for me, and about me, as a member of the BOC, I can see and know in my heart that I am not appointed unto wrath, and I have been saved from the wrath of God through Jesus Christ my Saviour, and we, the BOC, are to comfort one another and edify (build up) one another in this doctrine (1 Thes. 5:9). I know, also, from rightly dividing the word of truth and listening to my Apostle (that the risen Lord Jesus Christ sent to us Gentiles) that Israel as a nation, as well as all unbelievers, will be the ones to endure the tribulation which is God’s wrath being poured out without measure. One day in the future, the Lord Jesus Christ will open the book and loose the seals thereof, which will begin the day of Christ, when he will pour out his wrath upon his adversaries as described in the book of Revelation. The faithful remnant of Israel who will believe on their Messiah will have to endure and remain faithful unto the end. Today, if a member of the BOC becomes unfaithful to the Lord and even stops believing, that member will be forever with the Lord, because we are members of His Body and He cannot deny Himself (2 Tim. 2:13 KJB). That Believer was saved and sealed unto eternity the moment he trusted Christ alone for his salvation, but for those in the Tribulation time the doctrine says that they will have to maintain the works and faith in order to be saved (enduring unto the end whether that be the end of their life as a martyr or to the end of the Tribulation).

          There are very BIG and GLARING differences in the teachings of the OT, Matt-John & Hebrews – Rev. versus Romans – Philemon. In order to start understanding these differences, you have to listen to the Apostle Paul, because the Lord Jesus Christ gave to him the gospel of our salvation by grace through faith and the revelation of the mystery (the BOC for the heavenly places) which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God until He saved Saul of Tarsus, His enemy, by His grace alone, and gave him this new information to preach and teach to the Gentiles, as well as any Jew that would hear and believe.

          • 69 Tenacity December 7, 2011 at 7:35 pm

            It burns me when the Scriptures are taken out of context and twisted to say what someone wants to make it say. 1Thes. 5 (immediately following 4:18) 1 But of the times and seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For ye yourselves know perfectly, that the day of the Lord shall come, even as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety, then shall come upon them sudden destruction, as the travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day shall come on you, as it were a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day; we are not of the night, neither of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep as do others, but let us watch and be sober.

            As indicated elsewhere in Scripture, the reference is to The Day of the LORD which is after the tribulation. I love the repetitive messages in Scripture. The wrath of God is not synonymous with tribulation or trials. Look at the flood. Look at Sodom and Gomorrah. God’s wrath was the total destruction of evil, not a trial or tribulation. Did Noah experience the flood? You bet he did and God’s church has faced persecution, which is a tribulation. Nowhere in Scripture does it say we will not face trials. It does say we will be spared the ‘second death’. You are assuming the tribulation is off into the future. Please stop standing on preconceived, indeed conditioned, notions and practiced liturgy of the dispensational brainsoiling you have been exposed to and allow the Word of God to speak to you fresh, without putting it through the teaching of men.

            For everyone else, please look at the links I provided above.

            • 70 Paula December 8, 2011 at 7:50 am

              I could say the same to you, Tenacity. You definately are filtering the Scriptures through what you have been taught by men with their false systems of “Theology.” One glaring false belief that I believe you follow is that the Church, the BOC has replaced Israel and that you definately follow Israel’s scriptures as if they belong to you to follow and they most certainly do not. If you have trusted Christ’s shed blood on the cross plus nothing, then God’s very words to you are to follow Paul as he followed Christ (the Lord repeats this admonition through Paul many times in his letters–the question is, who are you going to allow to be the authority in your life–you or God?). He was the first to be saved by God’s grace alone and the first member to be added to the BOC made to inherit the heavenly places,not the earthly places which is believing Israel’s inheritance. Paul was constantly having to defend his God-given authority to the Judaizers.

              I am not reading the Scriptures from the standpoint of what I’ve been taught from men who want to build a house of doctrine on what they believe the scriptures to mean because of their own preconceived ideas or notions (systems of theology they have created). I read and study the Scriptures on my own and pray for God’s truth because I sincerely want it, and because from being in many different churches, many different versions of God’s Word and thus many different teachings, it caused me to ask questions–things didn’t make sense, there was hypocrisy and lies, which forced me to question doctrine and versions of the Scriptures. I asked the Lord for truth and He is very faithful to lead his children into truth, and for each truth we believe (He says what He means and means what He says; God said it, therefore I believe it), we grow up in Christ and become mature sons and daughters. He says we are to listen to Paul as our Apostle and to study to shew ourselves approved unto God, rightly dividing the word of truth. A crucial part of that is dividing Israel from the BOC.

              Once again, you are making assumptions about what I have said and adding to what I say and taking away from what I say, in order to try and make your points stand. I will deal only with the Scriptures and what they say, rightly divided, sir. I never said that the Church will not face trials and tribulations as you are trying to imply. But, I would also point out that every human being faces trials and tribulations because of the fallen nature of humanity, even the creation groans and travails. Romans 8:22-23~For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body (which happens when the Lord comes in the air to catch up the BOC to the heavenly places). The Day of the Lord includes the time of Jacob’s trouble, a.k.a. the Great Tribulation, the wrath of God, plus the millenial kingdom reign of Christ on the earth.

              God’s future wrath which is so prominently displayed in Israel’s scriptures (Why? because it is to her, for her and about her, as God’s unfaithful people and therefore God promised Israel punishments that would come upon her for her unfaithfulness to God). God called out Israel to be a nation set apart from the Gentile heathens which God gave up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator. He would use Israel to establish His kingdom on earth through which the Gentiles would be able to come unto God; they were to be a nation of kings and priests unto God. However, God the Father had this mystery (the BOC for the heavenly places) hid in him from before the foundation of the earth. It was not revealed prior to the Apostle Paul. Why? would be the logical question. 1 Cor. 2:7-8 answers that: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. God has revealed unto the Apostle Paul the reason for the creation of the one new man, the BOC, which is to take out Satan and his angels from the usurped positions over the heavenlies and install those members of His Body in those heavenly positions.

              It is clear that if one wants the truth of God’s word, they have to rightly divide Israel’s earthly position from the Body of Christ’s heavenly position. They are not one in the same. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Satan filled with pride, became God’s adversary and usurped both spheres and God’s plan is to reclaim them from the devil! And by his grace, mercy, and glory, he will use saved men who have trusted his words to them throughout history to fulfill his plans of taking back the heaven and the earth. It is quite obvious that the earth has not been taken back and Israel has not been established in her promised kingdom ruling with her Messiah. It is also rather clear that Satan and his angels have not been removed from their heavenly positions and they are still operating to keep lost men lost and saved men from propagating God’s word of truth (hiding the true gospel & doctrine for any given time period), using God’s very own words, twisting them, adding to and taking away from them, just as he did with Eve, and has done ever since). It would behoove any one of us to question what we have been taught and to examine ourselves to see if we be in the faith and to prove our own selves.

              • 71 Tenacity December 8, 2011 at 9:10 am

                I have said all that I need to say. You make false assumptions about my statements and thoughts the same as you do with Scripture. If you were honest you would have acknowledged my statement, “Don’t assume I agree with everything said at these sites.” Instead, you quote one of those articles as though I was the author. Your presumptions are wrong.

                • 72 Paula December 8, 2011 at 6:20 pm

                  Sorry, but I did not read the articles. I say what I say out of love for lost souls and out of love for my brethren, the BOC, because my heavenly Father wants His sons & daughters to acknowledge His truth & authority. I’ve been in churches that teach unsound doctrine, I’ve believed the wrong things in the past being in different churches and can’t say that I won’t make mistakes in the future, however, I do know that I am to listen to the authority that God has given to me for understanding of what He is doing today and that is to follow Paul as he followed Christ. I am being honest and truthful about these serious matters for the sake of Christ and his gospel for the lost and for those within the BOC taken captive by satan’s deceptions.

    • 73 Quantum Leap December 7, 2011 at 4:49 pm

      We’ll vote the bastard out. Just watch.

      • 74 heather December 7, 2011 at 5:16 pm

        OMG-QL–I hope you’re right! Let’s just not vote Newt in!

        • 75 Quantum Leap December 7, 2011 at 5:26 pm

          No way they will let the Big skinny N do this martial law thing. No way. He’s outnumbered and has zero support. His support is none existent. His obots that would argue with me a few months ago are now apologizing to me and saying The Big Skinny N is a huge disappointment. There are Blacks and then there are N’s.
          Yep Obotland has turned on this Big Skinny N. :lol: He better not come here or his former supporters will throw eggs at him. That’s their plan. And they are NOT voting.

          Ron Paul 2012! Stop the BS and vote RP. Newt is a joke. I’d rather have homophobe Bachmann than Newt, the Big Fat Bilderberger NWO puppet.

          • 76 heather December 7, 2011 at 8:30 pm

            I’m with you on this QL–love the Big Skinny N–too funny. Hope you’r right–but let me add that whatever blog I read and their comments, they are all against barry soetoro………………and yeah the ones who did vote for him out of white guilt will not vote for him again.

            I don’t trust Newt, though he does know his stuff, I can’t trust him either.

            Ron Paul is just now getting name recognition in the msm.

          • 77 Ann December 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm

            Exactly right. I just wrote this on FB to someone that was in full panic mode. lol I told the person we outnumber them by the millions and martial law will not happen. We have guns and ammo and lots of both and they know that. Simply not going to happen.

            Yep RP is the one and only one to right the wrongs!

  24. 78 heather December 7, 2011 at 3:32 pm

    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/12/07/president_obama_s_osawatomie_speech_was_a_marxist_attack_on_america

    For those who missed barrys speech yesterday saying he wants to nationalize america here is his speech–it is 30 minutes long.

    Next here is the analysis of it by Rush.

    Very important to see and read both.

    • 79 Quantum Leap December 7, 2011 at 5:34 pm

      Read it at Atlas’s if you can’t stand listening to him. He is talking in circles and spreading lies again. The freakin empty slate is saying what he thinks the people want to hear. WRONG! No one wants to hear his sugar laced lies read off of a teleprompter. His previous supporters are openly ashamed to have voted for him. Everyone looks at Obots like they have an IQ of 50 or less. I mean, we non-Of*ckface voters see Obots as really dumb and stupid. They carry around guilt and shame for voting for the Big f*ckin RACIST N.

  25. 81 Quantum Leap December 7, 2011 at 4:34 pm


    Indiana 2008 Presidential Primary Election Fraud Probe Heats Up

    He wasn’t eligible to get on the ballot. He was short signatures. He cheated.
    How long before this Atty gets a death threat from Obama? 1 week? a few days from now? READ the story…….

    “I had always thought that, now-President Obama, had earned his victory in Indiana,” said the state’s Republican chairman, Eric Holcomb. “But then I quickly learned that he had cheated his way on to the ballot in the primary.”

    The allegations that election fraud touched a race for the highest office in the land are at the center of an investigation by St. Joseph County Attorney

    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/07/indiana-2008-presidential-primary-election-fraud-probe-heats-up/#ixzz1ftQb0Lyr

    • 82 heather December 7, 2011 at 5:22 pm

      His whole election centered around race and entitlements and no more. Now he is stuck in a corner because we the people fought him tooth and nail and he hasn’t accomplised his entire destruction agenda.

      We the people are awake and have our eyes on him and they all know it-including Newt……….so beware of false prophets bearing good tidings like Newts dislike for barry. They are all in this together.

      It is we the people who are honest and loyal to america.

  26. 83 Quantum Leap December 7, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    States are probing the election rolls from 2008 when Of*ckface stole the election in every state. He didn’t get enough votes on the petition to get on the ballot in many states. In Indiana Hillary had over 700 signatures and this dufus had 535 with 150 of the signatures bogus. That means he got 385 signatures IF THAT. You need 500 to make it on the ballot. He never had the support they contrived him to have. It was all media lies and paid workers. He had very little genuine support….

    A Black Boomer friend in Jersey who never voted in her life got up at 5:30 am to go precinct hoping and serial voting at all the precincts in her state for Of*ckface. Bus was provided by OF*ckface’s team. She got paid too.

    He can take his Islamo/fascist self and get lost.
    WE DO NOT WANT HIM. He’s incorrigible and a misfit for America. He’s only president of some blacks that’s it. How many middle class Americans see him as their president? Practically none. So he needs to shut up about the middle class because they all went broke under his watch not Bush’s. The middle class know what he’s doing too. He’s using them in speeches like he cares. Just like he sugar coated his speeches to his crazed, dazed Obots but couldn’t give a crap about them except for their vote. What kind of man lies to their faces? A freakin mouse of a man. That’s what.

    When he’s gone he can take his boss, Jack arse Kerry with him. Kerry is dumber than dumb. He is slower than ketchup!

    They are destroying USA and they need to go NOW!

    And if he hangs his ornament of commie dictator and murderer Mao Tse Tung on the WH tree I hope it burns down trapping him and his phoney family inside.. He is so insulting to the American people it’s gotta stop.

    • 84 heather December 7, 2011 at 8:34 pm

      Just like Pelosi referred to the Great Middle Class–sure–she destroyed most of us and our investments for retirement. They sugar coat with one hand and stab us with the other. good cop/bad cop.

      Enough of them—it is we the peoples turn and we will win and when we do these criminals better all be arrested.

  27. 85 Troy December 7, 2011 at 6:12 pm

    Judge Napolitano is on Fox Business Network shredding the Newt….Pretty freakin unmerciful….I love it! :D

  28. 88 Troy December 7, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Military Can Arrest and Hold US Citizens and FEMA Camps are Being Activated

    IT IS TIME TO SCREAM, NO, LOUDER!
    by Dr. Laurie Roth, Presidential Candidate
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/12/07/military-can-arrest-and-hold-us-citizens-and-fema-camps-are-being-activated/

  29. 89 Troy December 7, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    One Bill to Destroy The Constitution
    Dec 5, 2011

    Attorney and Former Commissioned Officer in the US Army Jacob Hornberger discusses the National Defense Authorization Act that would allow for American citizens to be detained by the military indefinitely without charge
    http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1311345259001/

  30. 90 Troy December 7, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    Eric Bolling / Fox Business Network has Sarah Palin on his show….She is REALLY talking-up Ron Paul! :D

  31. 93 Tenacity December 7, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    Dr. Paul again proves to clearly understand. He’s the kind of friend I want as an individual or as a country.
    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/paul-israel-support-wead/2011/12/07/id/420247?s=al&promo_code=DAB4-1

  32. 96 Troy December 7, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    QL, this one is for you. :lol:

  33. 99 Tenacity December 7, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Now listen to this! This is the first step in taking our republic back. If we can’t get-r-done in D.C., we must do it at the State level.
    http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/freedom-watch/index.html#/v/1295728239001/the-path-to-constitutional-money/?playlist_id=158146

    • 101 Quantum Leap December 8, 2011 at 1:08 pm

      Yes RP IS the flavor of the decade and Obots need to get onboard the Dr Paul train.

      Of course they read all your comments and listen to your show. Of course. No doubt.

  34. 102 Troy December 7, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    I’ve been watching Fox Business Network tonight…Never really checked it out much before….I must say that it is head and shoulders above Fox News….All strong conservatives hosting the time slots….Not too bad at all.

    • 103 Tenacity December 7, 2011 at 10:32 pm

      What did Palin say about Paul. It’s not on their website clips.

      • 104 Troy December 7, 2011 at 11:32 pm

        She said that she did not agree with all of his foreign policy, but on everything else he was the one candidate that was spot-on on everything else…She said that if he didn’t win the nomination that his endorsement would be the most important that any other candidate could hope to acquire.

        I’m paraphrasing, but that’s basically what she said….She thought very highly of him and was very complimentary toward him…..She has a ton of supporters and would most likely be the front runner if she were in there, so her opinion carries a lot of weight…..I’m disappointed that she is not running….She and Paul would make an awesome ticket, but not quite as good as Paul and Judge Nap..

        • 105 Tenacity December 8, 2011 at 9:18 am

          Thanks Troy. I wish she had not sold herself out with previous poor endorsements of globalists. Its hard to say where her loyalties really are. Glad to hear she gave what appears an honest assessment of Dr. Paul. I agree she carries a lot of influence. I would not object to her as a V.P. Do you see her posturing for that position?

          • 108 Tenacity December 8, 2011 at 10:47 am

            Thanks for posting the video Katie.

          • 109 drkate December 8, 2011 at 11:42 am

            Excellent video. I wish Palin were running! Some great terms in this video “crony socialism”, her statements about Obama just going on vacation to ‘tick people off’ and running back to DC 2 days early so he can be called a hero for sacrificing his vacation…man if I lived in HI I’d be protesting every day…and hoping the real sharks are in the water.

        • 110 Quantum Leap December 8, 2011 at 1:20 pm

          Same old song and dance “I don’t like his foreign policy”. Well Obama never had a policy and people voted for him (not-he stole the election).

          RP’s foreign policy…… Does anyone really know what it is? He’s for Isreal. He’s for minding our own business. He’s for bringing the troops home and taking care of our own citizens here and their needs. How STOOPID can people be with some blanket statement of “I don’t like his foreign policy”..whine whine whine
          There is nothing wrong with his SOUND foreign policy. NOTHING. People need to quit with that whining statement. I means nothing. Anyone who says “I don’t like his foreign policy” doesn’t know what they are talking about. They are just repeating a meme.

          She needs to redeem herself and tell everyone to vote RP.

          At least RP will not BOW DOWN TO DICK-TATORS and embarass the f*ck out of American citizens.

    • 111 SallyAl December 8, 2011 at 11:55 am

      That’s about all I watch anymore. Decent people and way better than Fox News.

  35. 112 Troy December 7, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    Here is Corzine in front of Congress tomorrow.

    • 114 Tenacity December 8, 2011 at 9:45 am

      Berg has always been a problem. He is a known Democrat so no surprise there. He was chiefly responsible for magnifying Taitz’s weaknesses early on, demonizing her. Orly’s courage and tenacity has out-shined her shortcomings. Now we know what Berg is all about. He is a shill (controlled opposition) for the elite.

      Snopes is nothing more than a leftist mom & pop operation that has been propped up by the likes of Soros.

      • 115 GORDO December 11, 2011 at 2:31 pm

        “Berg is a liar
        Inboxx
        Susandanielspi susandanielspi@aol.com
        7:00 AM (9 minutes ago)
        to philjberg
        Mr. Berg:
        I read part of your article regarding Obama’s CT SSN. You out-right lied in it:
        According to the Social Security death index, the majority of the SSN’s issued for Hawaii residence were in fact issued out of CT, see below, there are thousands of records and were issued during the same time period as Obama’s was issued to him, which was in or about 1972-1978.
        I am the private investigator who discovered he was using a fraudulent number. I looked up a number of those you had listed in your article and found that ALL were issued between 1935 and 1951. Yet, you blatantly lied. You need to get your facts straight.
        Susan Daniels
        Susan Daniels & Associates”

        http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=28872

    • 116 heather December 8, 2011 at 11:04 am

      I got an email from Phil Berg yesterday and its quite long–I will try to post it here.

  36. 117 jane December 8, 2011 at 6:15 am

    Troy,
    LOL…love that video! I look better than they do w/out makeup!

    Mercy! I need that makeup they use…hehe

    Back on topic, JUST WHY are they getting the FEMA camps ready, huh, huh, huh? Who goes?????

    • 118 Troy December 8, 2011 at 8:47 am

      The camps are being prepped for the PLANNED collapse of the US dollar and banking / economic system in general…..This should and probably will coincide with the pre – 2012 election. (next late spring – early summer)
      I’ve been saying this for at least the past year….I continue to talk about the next election simply because we have to continue assuming there will be an election / business as usual…..There probably won’t be.

      Many, many moons ago, I said something along these lines:
      Obama doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of getting re-elected in 2012…..He knows it and the DNC knows it, yet they act as if they have no worries about the election…..The communists have fought tooth and nail for generations to seize power and finally have and aren’t about to let something like a pesky election take it away from them.

      They have four choices:

      1. Run Barry in a fair election and lose by a landslide of the likes never before seen in this country.

      2. Run Hillary and cross their fingers that the newly earned hatred for them won’t spill over onto Hillary. (it will and has)

      3. Run Barry in a rigged election that is full of voter on a level never before witnessed in this country and hope that they can get away with it / pull it off.

      4. Create fake / false civil unrest prior to the election, declared martial law and indefinitely suspend elections and what’s left of the constitution.

      Now you ask yourself, as if you were one of them and wanted to preserve your power, which one of these options is a sure way to retain a grip on that power?
      Option #1 = NO WAY in hell
      Option #2 = Hell no!
      Option #3 = Possibly, but the Repubs already anticipate this and will be
      watching like a hawk for it….So, this is still pretty risky.
      Option #4 = A sure way to retain power and is already being
      implemented, via Barry’s class warfare, OWS protests,
      and the upcoming collapse of the dollar.

      • 119 Tenacity December 8, 2011 at 9:32 am

        Do you believe They* will be satisfied to rip this country apart, literally? #4 may result in a physically and politically divided country. You know what I mean and I do not believe the globalists will end up with what they want, but will they be satisfied with the destruction they achieve? Even if the People win in the U.S., the globalists may be satisfied to diminish the economic and military power of middle class America, not to mention the population.

      • 120 Quantum Leap December 8, 2011 at 1:26 pm

        Nope. He will not be able to call martial law. He is outnumbered.

  37. 121 heather December 8, 2011 at 11:16 am

    http://obamacrimes.com/

    go to the first article where he states that barry is not using a fake ss#–i could not copy/paste the article from my email-so go directly to his site.

    i have spoken directly with phil on many occasions since this started and he is hell bent on bringing barry to justice. regardless of whether phip berg is a dem, he knows this country is screwed if justice isnt done.

    • 122 drkate December 8, 2011 at 11:46 am

      Heather, Berg is a plant. He never believed in the NBC definition, now in the face of all information to the contrary, he says the SSN isn’t fake. He is trying to ruin our credibility by his own lack of credibility.

      Berg is not to be trusted or followed. I’d get off his email list if I were you, he is purposely doing this. Its the same thing with the Smith so called ‘Kenyan birth certificate’…just when we start getting traction, people supposedly on our side cast doubt.

      Berg is also a democrat, with RAT being the operative word.

      • 123 heather December 8, 2011 at 2:01 pm

        Dr Kate,

        Well I am not on his email list, nor do I post on his site. I just happened to have called him 3 yrs ago and spoke with him a few times back in 07-08 only. No other contact. I don’t know how he got my email address. Sometimes I wonder how so many of these political sites get email address when one has no contact—I think they buy lists of names myself.

        LOL I know he’s a dem and also good friends with the clintons.

        I have no use for anyone who believes that Barry Soetoro is the real deal, he is a fraud and a traitor and so is our congress, senate and scotus for allowing this to happen and continue to remain.

  38. 124 Voco Indubium December 8, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Attn.: Ten

    RE: ” This is a topic that I am careful not to state anything that the evidence is not available to substantiate. I will be happy to provide that evidence but need to better understand the point in question. ”

    The point in question: Is the Vatican influencing current US policies in a negative way? If yes how?

    I replied to you under the prior thread, you may have overlooked it, and I made some additional comments. I would be very interested in your opinion.

  39. 126 Voco Indubium December 8, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    RE: “ A no vote by a patriot is a vote for Obama. Complacency is what put him into office in the first place. … “Winners never quit and quitters never win.” Vince Lombardi. ”

    Allow me to respectfully disagree with you. Vince Lombardi did not say: If you think you cannot win then compromise. That is basically your premise.

    Many conservatives voted for McCain on the lesser evil premise in 2008. Enough of that. The GOP is doomed. They are incompetent. A third party is badly needed. Perhaps it will be formed after O’s second term. No one has the guts to form it now.

    Besides O will probably win against any GOP nominee, anyway. You vote or not. The media will destroy any GOP nominee.

    Disqualification is the only answer and it goes nowhere. Most conservatives, on this site, have given up hope in that, and desperately hanging on to the unrealistic belief that the GOP can win without disqualification. .

    I will vote for Dummett if he keeps up the fight.

    • 127 Tenacity December 8, 2011 at 3:03 pm

      No, Lombardi did not consider not winning. He just kept trying to win and expected his players to keep focused and believing they would win. However, if his quarterback didn’t have a great arm, he didn’t try to win with a passing game. Being practical doesn’t always mean one is compromising. What you don’t know is that I co-authored the eligibility presentment against Obama in the Articles of Freedom at Continental Congress 2009. Dr. Kate chaired that committee. I have hosted numerous blog talk shows and community calls focusing on the eligibility issue. What brought my attention to Dr. Kate was her writings at TD blog back in 2008 on the constitutional topic of natural born citizen. We have both done all within our ability to bring attention to this utmost problem. In fact, It is fair to say we have both beat our heads bloody on the subject to the point of it impacting our livelihoods.

      Obama is not alone in the crimes being committed against We the People. If We had standing, the facts of the eligibility case would have been heard and adjudicated properly. Our standing and the constitution has been under attack since before the ink was dry on our founding documents. The same groups and families have been behind that attack all along. Obama is just one symptom of that ambush. The key to getting out of the ambush is to regain proprietary ownership of our money, the product or property resulting from the People’s investment of labor and capital. Our standing has been sold by the theft of our production via the banking vortex. That vortex was created by and sustained by our tolerating those groups and families to subvert our sovereignty by stealing our production. Just getting rid of Obama does NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM. The eligibility issue, as important as it is, is only one of many constitutional breaches. See http://thirdcontinentalcongress.net/tiki-index.php and read the Articles of Freedom which I also chaired two committees in creation of.

      I am fighting as hard as I am able on 2 fronts at the moment. One is Sound Money and the other is educating the People (jury pool) and sheriffs that they have the right to judge the law, especially in the proper use and application constitutional grand juries. I see these two issues as being within our grasp and mandatory to regain standing. So you see, Dr. Paul is the only candidate that seems to understand this. Plus, his actions (track record) match his words. I can say that of no other candidate.

      I questioned his negligence at the time of the electoral college. I am the one that brought forth (inquired and revealed) his “laughing stock” excuse. I have learned to forgive him for that and respect his wisdom in fighting those battles he deemed himself capable of winning (right or wrong). I also believe that he would now be cutting his own political throat to champion the eligibility issue. I believe he could educate people on the definition of ‘Natural Born Citizen’ and wish he would, but that is a pass he seems unwilling, if not unable to throw. So he needs to stick to his running game. So be it. I and others, yourself obviously included, will keep fighting the eligibility issue without compromise. We criticize S/Ob for being a Manchurian candidate. In the absence of the People ceasing to be wiling targets of the Leninist subversion, it will take a certain level of stealth for a true statesman to reach the required level of authority to effect necessary change. We must trust someone or go hide. The only person I see worthy of my trust at this time is Dr. Paul. Supporting him is the only possible political route I can see to victory. If you see that as compromise…call it what you will. I see it as practical and I keep fighting on the fronts I am able. In order to win the eligibility issue, we must have standing…our enemy knows that only too well. Money is tied to standing. People exercising their right to judge the law is tied to standing. I fight for standing to WIN the fight for the constitution and the security of these united States (eligibility).

  40. 129 Quantum Leap December 8, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    Nobama can’t win. Repeat after me, Nobama can’t win. NO ONE WANTS HIM. Pick a clue.

    Humpty Dumpty can win against Nobama. Anyone can.

    He now has laugh tracks going off when he cracks his sarcasm during his public speechifying. This isn’t the first time. He is master at punking the people. Yep laugh tracks and teleprompters. People know he is a phoney from the get go. If they can’t see if now they will. He hates people unless they are black. And even then it’s iffy. He’s a racist pr*ck

    • 130 Voco Indubium December 8, 2011 at 6:21 pm

      RE: ” Nobama can’t win. ”

      Which GOP candidate if nominated can beat him? Romney, the most likely nominee, the darling of the Establishment GOP cannot. Tell us who can?
      Please, not just generalities.

      The media will attack viciously any GOP nominee and destroy him/her as they destroyed Cain. It was child’s play. Then O will throw in the $1 B campaign money to buy TV sound bites. The average voter will reelect him.

  41. 131 uguesswhat December 8, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    The 2012 election is rigged, just like the 2008 election was rigged and
    was given to obama. Our votes didn’t mean a thing!! and this time
    around our votes will be worthless, the election will be given to obama.
    Obama has a communist agenda to finish and needs 4 more years to
    have us completely enslaved.

    • 132 Tenacity December 8, 2011 at 4:34 pm

      Actually, Gingrich could finish that agenda no problem. In fact, he would do it more efficiently than Obama and the people wouldn’t know their throats had been cut until it was too late.

      It is much more difficult for the vote count to be cheated in a close election. They need to keep it close. Both major parties have cheated on the vote count. In fact, it appears that the GOP may have been doing it first. Exit polling is important to hold the vote counting accountable. Notice in 2008 & 2010, there was less exit polling than in the past by the media. They don’t cheat everywhere and they do it by just a few percentage points where the race is close. If they have their stooges on both sides of the race, they don’t have to care that much about who wins. There is only one candidate in the race right now that They* would absolutely not want in office.

  42. 134 heather December 8, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Berg has not changed his position on barry–he still continues to say he is a dual citizen, indonesian and kenyan but never an american citizen least of all a NBC of the US. He hasn’t changed his stance of this at all.

    I know he’s a dem and good friends with the clintons….

    • 135 Tenacity December 8, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      Berg’s arguments are red herrings and no threat to the Luciferians. He knows it and They* know it. He laid low for 2 years and is now being trotted out to confuse the issues approaching this election cycle. He is controlled opposition.

  43. 136 Troy December 8, 2011 at 3:44 pm

    He is controlled opposition.
    ++++++++++++++++++++
    Absolutely, agreed!

  44. 137 Troy December 8, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Dr. Richard Gierak on Walls In Our Minds

    Join Terry Dodd, Red Beckman, Dr. Kate and special Co-Host Kirk MacKenzie TONIGHT for another powerful show.

    The show runs from 9 to 11 p.m. Eastern Time or 7 to 9 p.m. Mountain, December 8th.

    Listen to the stream or join the online chat this Thursday evening at:
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    Call-in Number: (347) 838-9176

  45. 138 Troy December 8, 2011 at 5:31 pm

    Arpaio gets death threats over Obama investigation
    Warned he ‘will be filled with thousand bullet holes’
    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: December 08, 2011
    12:35 am Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2011 WND

    Maverick Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio says his “Cold Case Posse” investigating Barack Obama’s presidential eligibility will release a preliminary report in February of its findings, which he expects to be “controversial.”

    “This is a serious law enforcement investigation, and our findings are going to be controversial but based in facts,” the Maricopa County sheriff told WND. Arpaio said a comprehensive report will be issued shortly after the February preliminary report.

    “The investigators on the Cold Case Posse are doing a great job,” Arpaio told WND. “They are all law enforcement professionals, and they are all volunteers putting in a lot of hours at no taxpayer expense.”

    Arpaio confirmed that the Obama investigation has broadened beyond an examination of whether or not the birth certificate made public by the White House on April 27 is an authentic document. The probe, he said, is examining Obama’s history in regard to his eligibility to be president under Article 2, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution.

    “We are not taking the Obama investigation lightly,” Arpaio said. “The Cold Case Posse is actively tracking down all leads received, because the people deserve to know the truth.”

    Jerome Corsi’s New York Times best-seller, “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” is available for immediate shipping, autographed by the author, only from the WND Superstore

    Arpaio’s investigative team has amassed hundreds of pages of documentation and taken testimony from dozens of experts in preparation for a final phase of field investigation

    On Tuesday, Arpaio posted on his Facebook page a reference to a Globe Magazine report citing inside sources in the White House who say President Obama and the First Lady are in “a panic” over the Maricopa County investigation.

    (Story continues below)
    Read more: Arpaio gets death threats over Obama investigation http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=375329#ixzz1fzcYMndC

  46. 139 Troy December 8, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Issa’s balls must have fallen off, because he doesn’t have any….Or maybe Barry has them in a vice….Either way, there is an absence of stones.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Rep. Issa: Fast and Furious Just A “Dumb Program”
    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/12/08/rep-issa-fast-and-furious-just-a-%e2%80%9cdumb-program%e2%80%9d/

    • 140 Ann December 8, 2011 at 9:11 pm

      The investigation is going on strong. I get updates on my FB newsfeed from Fast and Furious Investigations and trust me, they’re getting tough with Holder. His questioning by Issa was on C-Span today but I had to go out and missed it. From what I read, it was pretty intense.

      Here’s where you can keep up to date on it. The videos from today are there but I haven’t watched them yet.

      http://www.fastnfuriousinvestigation.com/

  47. 141 Troy December 8, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    I was just curious if I was the only one that realizes that the so called “lost predator spy drone” that Iran “recovered” wasn’t a malfunction or “lost” at all, but was instead a gift from Obama….He gave it to them.

    You can bet that our once great ally, Israel, has plenty of them that would have been put to work in the event of a war with Iran….They’ll be rendered useless now.

    • 142 heather December 8, 2011 at 9:06 pm

      Ditto Troy–he gave it to them. Word was he didn’t ask for it back because he didn’t want to “offend” them??? WTH–offend — thats a multi billion dollar piece of OUR equipment and the pentagon has nothing to say? Top secret technology and he doesn’t want to offend the muslims–sure–better believe Iran, China and Russia will be in cohoots with our techology and use it against us.

      You can bet on it.

  48. 143 Jan December 8, 2011 at 6:18 pm

    Check out a small portion of Newt’s background

    http://www.jonchristianryter.com/Plain_Talk/111206.html

    • 144 heather December 8, 2011 at 9:39 pm

      Thanks Jan, never knew this-very interesting. Ron Paul won the straw poll in my state monday—please lets get him msm time he must win not only the nomination but the election–we will not be safe with anyone else.

  49. 145 jane December 8, 2011 at 7:15 pm

    Don’t you see it? EVERYTHING “they” are doing is only a dog and pony show.

    TIME to stop playing THEIR game.

    Think outside the box. FORGET these candidates…it’s all rigged.

    PLEASE believe this!

  50. 146 heather December 8, 2011 at 10:09 pm

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/12/07/s-1867-h-r-1540-1984/

    so now they bury the wording and remove it from the table of contents–what for? so we the people can’t see it? do they think we are this stupid not to research further.

    every single one of these politicians are against the american people except for the amount of taxes they can levy on us.

    its time to go to DC and remove and arrest all of them under our constitutional authority.

    • 147 cedartree December 8, 2011 at 10:33 pm

      Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee actually gave the finger to Tea Party members protesting Obamacare, from the Capital building.

      When we say they think they’re invincible, as if they are elevated above Americans, the answer really will be “no”. No, they live in our towns, counties, states, as do their families. They won’t pull any major shit when it comes right down to it. They don’t have a border across which to retreat.

    • 149 cedartree December 8, 2011 at 10:27 pm

      Aw don’t let aka barry’s dumb psyops freak you out, these people are in the tiny minority and all they can do is say “boo” and the sleeping giant is fed up with their shit.

  51. 150 cedartree December 8, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    When I see how up-in-arms people get over an issue such as the grannies being strip searched, I honestly do not think the level of maliciousness, arresting innocent people, involving the military, declaring martial law, etc. that aka Obama would need would fly.

    It’s just not going to fly for barry to try belligerence against the American people to the degree he’s plotting and would need. They will respond and once provoked on that level it’s just going to be hellish and ugly and NOT go his way. Sheep into wolves as it were; I do not read a single positive comment about aka Obama anywhere except Puff Ho. Unless the commiedems want to throw all caution to the wind, any common sense would force their retreat. They can always regroup for another day. That’s what the musloids do per the koran, wimp away and try to rebuild their forces.

  52. 151 heather December 8, 2011 at 10:48 pm

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/all-hail-the-united-states-of-germany-the-rest-of-europe-is-facing-either-german-domination-or-financial-collapse.html

    what a scary situation for all of europe–this is bad news and the trilateral commission will be the dominate factor of control.

    • 152 Quantum Leap December 9, 2011 at 12:47 pm

      He gave Germany ownership in USA stock exchange…… How much is unknown. Obiewon is giving away the bank, so to speak.

    • 155 heather December 9, 2011 at 10:17 am

      Corzine is a criminal–he robbed the NJ state pension fund of $200 million and gave it to goldman sachs–I remember that one well.

      Corzine is more guilty than Madoff–Corzine stole this money plain and simple. I never could stand him when I lived in NJ and when he was elected govenor I knew NJ was screwed.

      • 156 Jan December 9, 2011 at 3:18 pm

        I see something more sinister in the Corzine crap. The money he stole belonged to the customers. The customers are Farmers and Ranchers, so if you can’t flood them out, can’t buy them out, what better way to get them off the land? Starve them out.
        Wonder where the White House and Congress get their food? I sure don’t want mine coming from China.

  53. 157 bill December 9, 2011 at 5:36 am

    OT but……..Fitzpatrick Back in Monroe County Jail

    http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/12/08/fitzpatrick-back-in-monroe-county-jail/

    Guess this goes to prove,about lawless officials

    “The best defense is a good offense”

  54. 158 DABIGRAGU December 9, 2011 at 10:52 am

    USMC intelligence officer veteran lists some of the reasons you should learn more about Ron Paul and support him for president in 2012.

  55. 163 DABIGRAGU December 9, 2011 at 11:08 am

    The troops have an urgent message that requires your immediate attention. Find out who U.S. military veterans and active duty soldiers overwhelmingly support for President in 2012.

    • 164 heather December 9, 2011 at 1:09 pm

      And this is why the military absentee ballots are NOT counted–remember 2008–they threw them away….they were not counted–and they will not be counted this time either if barry has anything to do with it.

      barry knows the troops hate him and they stand by us and this is another reason he signed that defense bill making the military hold americans prisoners—to get even—he is a spiteful basta$d.

  56. 167 bill December 9, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Here is a trailer video of “Nullification:The rightful remedy.You decide
    !

    http://nullificationmovie.com/
    -

    • 169 bill December 9, 2011 at 2:54 pm

      Thanks Troy,I’m off to post a MO to get in line.While a new President is needed,without a functional Congress I still feel like dead meat.I don’t mind saying,
      I’m desperate ! :) cheers

  57. 170 Tenacity December 9, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Ron Paul Should Be The Next President Of The United States

    Make no mistake, this country is on the precipice of crisis and we need to make radical changes. The 2012 Presidential elections may present one of the last opportunities for the American people to rise up against the oligarchy that has run this country into the ground for their own personal benefit at the expense of the majority of the citizens of this deteriorating Republic.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/benzingainsights/2011/06/17/ron-paul-should-be-the-next-president-of-the-united-states/

    Anyone who says Dr. Paul doesn’t have a chance has bought into the lies of the controlled media. We are at a tipping point in this endurance context. Choose to win and we will. Demand accountability…demand a fair vote count…of both parties.

  58. 172 Tenacity December 9, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    Hmmm, where have I seen/heard this before? Ah yes, I remember

  59. 173 Tenacity December 9, 2011 at 3:48 pm

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/congressman-considers-impeachment%E2%80%A6of-eric-holder/

    Just as a reminder:
    Thanks to Janet Reno, Eric Holder and Bill Clinton, Elian is now a full slave of the Castro brothers
    http://www.therealcuba.com/elian_gonzalez.htm

    Whatever happens now, this guy will likely end up in the fiery lake.

  60. 175 Troy December 9, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Judge Nap is interviewing Beck….Beck says he’s moving to Texas, because NY is going to be very unsafe when the collapse comes.

  61. 179 Jan December 9, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Great video Trailer. Hope this gets finished and goes viral before summer

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jxEYfKWqZ-w#! Runaway Slave

  62. 182 Tenacity December 9, 2011 at 8:33 pm

    What does Gingrich have in common with Gingrich?
    1) Neither are true conservatives
    2) both have sold out for money
    3) Neither give a hoot about the constitution
    4) Both are big government
    5) Both are egotistical big talkers
    6) Neither adhere to their oaths (e.g.: death do us part)
    7) Both are disingenuous (do as I say, not as I do)

    That’s a good start. Anyone wish to add some?

    I find it interesting that Gingrich is trying to shame Romney and Paul into showing up for the circus on the 27th. If Romney and Paul have any respect for their word or their integrity, they will stick to their guns.

  63. 184 Tenacity December 9, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    That should have said what Gingrich has in common with Trump.

  64. 185 heather December 9, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    http://www.infowars.com/un-calls-for-eco-fascist-world-government-at-durban-summit/

    who appoints these complete and total idiots to these UN positions? OMG–it is way past time for the US to get out of the UN….the UN has always been a slush fund for these criminals. Why change now–so the UN is ready, willing and able to bankrupt the USA.

    • 186 Jan December 9, 2011 at 11:49 pm

      They must be from 3rd grade science classes. This is insane. Bombblast your congress/senate to get out of the UN this year.

  65. 187 Troy December 10, 2011 at 12:08 am

    From email:
    ~~~~~~~~~
    The “W” in Christmas

    Each December, I vowed to make Christmas a calm and peaceful experience.

    I had cut back on nonessential obligations – extensive card writing,
    endless baking, decorating, and even overspending.

    Yet still, I found myself exhausted, unable to appreciate the
    precious family moments, and of course, the true meaning of
    Christmas.

    My son, Nicholas, was in kindergarten that year. It was an exciting
    season for a six year old.

    For weeks, he’d been memorizing songs for his school’s “Winter Pageant.”

    I didn’t have the heart to tell him I’d be working the night of the
    production. Unwilling to miss his shining moment, I spoke with his
    teacher. She assured me there’d be a dress rehearsal the morning of the
    presentation.

    All parents unable to attend that evening were welcome to come then.

    Fortunately, Nicholas seemed happy with the compromise.

    So, the morning of the dress rehearsal, I filed in ten minutes
    early, found a spot on the cafeteria floor and sat down. Around the room, I
    saw several other parents quietly scampering to their
    seats.

    As I waited, the students were led into the room. Each class, accompanied by
    their teacher, sat cross-legged on the floor. Then, each
    group, one by one, rose to perform their song.

    Because the public school system had long stopped referring to the
    holiday as “Christmas,” I didn’t expect anything other than fun, commercial
    entertainment songs of reindeer, Santa Claus, snowflakes
    and good cheer.

    So, when my son’s class rose to sing, “Christmas Love,” I was slightly taken
    aback by its bold title.

    Nicholas was aglow, as were all of his classmates, adorned in fuzzy mittens,
    red sweaters, and bright snowcaps upon their heads.

    Those in the front row- center stage – held up large letters, one by one, to
    spell out the title of the song.

    As the class would sing “C is for Christmas,” a child would hold up the
    letter C. Then, “H is for Happy,” and on and on, until each child holding up
    his portion had presented the complete message,
    “Christmas Love.”

    The performance was going smoothly, until suddenly, we noticed her; a
    small, quiet, girl in the front row holding the letter “M” upside down –
    totally unaware her letter “M” appeared as a “W”.

    The audience of 1st through 6th graders snickered at this little one’s
    mistake. But she had no idea they were laughing at her, so she
    stood tall, proudly holding her “W”.

    Although many teachers tried to shush the children, the laughter continued
    until the last letter was raised, and we all saw it
    together.

    A hush came over the audience and eyes began to widen.

    In that instant, we understood the reason we were there, why we celebrated
    the holiday in the first place, why even in the chaos,
    there was a purpose for our festivities.

    For when the last letter was held high, the message read loud and clear:

    “C H R I S T W A S L O V E”

    And, I believe, He still is.
    Amazed in His presence… .humbled by His love.
    Again, HAVE A BLESSED CHRISTMAS SEASON!


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