Gadsen Flag Open Thread

©2012 drkate

To secede is an American tradition:

Another principle–you don’t ask permission from your oppressor to secede.

Gadsen Flag Open thread.

282 Responses to “Gadsen Flag Open Thread”


  1. 1 drkate November 11, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    Some important calls to action:

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd559.htm

    An excerpt:

    “These two groups have legal standing in the respective states to legally challenge the results reported by the Secretary of State. The presidential voting was NOT for the president/vice president ticket. The voting was for the electors pledged to vote for the ticket in December. Romney/Ryan didn’t lose last night. The electors pledged to them in each of the key states were robbed of their election.”

  2. 3 drkate November 11, 2012 at 11:40 pm

    Another way to secede is to use the 10th Amendment to nullify. The federal government is no longer abiding by the Constitution. They are null and void.

    • 4 usapatriots-shout November 16, 2012 at 1:18 pm

      Use of the 10th amendment suggests we still have a constitution that is honored. That is no longer the case today. Even though, out of old habit we still think we have a constitutiion that is honored, the reality is we don’t. The proof of this is Obama’s reelection. The problem of his ineligibility has still not been resolved. The fact he is still sitting in the WH is proof the constitution has been violated and neither the 9 dishonorables nor any one else seems to care. (That is any one else but we who preach to the choir.)

      Who and what is big enough to make them obey the Constitution. Who is going to march up to Washington and say “under the 10th amendment. . . .our rights. . . .we demand. . . or you shal be removed, indicted or. . . .yadda, yadda, yadda. . .?— Will our judicial system, Congress, the state governors, the military, the Tea Party do it? — Who is going to stand them down?

      • 5 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 1:24 pm

        Who? Only the military have that kind of power. But then with the open door and aid to the Muslim Brotherhood we may lose the country to Sharia.

      • 6 usapatriots-shout November 16, 2012 at 1:25 pm

        We are in a circular postion. We want to use the constitution to support our rights to nullify the contracts because the ruling regime is no longer abiding by the constitution. It is a most interesting situation.

        • 7 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 1:32 pm

          USA: “Interesting” is a good way to look at things. I try to keep an open mind with entertainment as a value. Some things are so beyond my comprehension that I simply have to laugh because I don’t want to cry or blow something up. Becoming to impassioned happy or angry clouds logic and understanding. I don’t think we can think our way out of this one. It is going to take inspiration and realization…the real higher powers of logic…to come to our aid. As I bet you do also! I enjoy your posts.

  3. 8 typistjan November 12, 2012 at 12:11 am

    Seems to me the minute obat moved in and turned the White House into the red house, then proceeded to shred the whole Constitution and followed by shredding the Bill of Rights, there was no Republic left, therefore there is no Republic of the United States, therefore each state has the option of continuing to go along to get along or GET OUT.

    • 9 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 2:57 pm

      The Republic you mentioned was gone long before Obummer came in. What many call government is only a foreign-owned, bankrupt(1933), corporation. This is why we have re-inhabited the dejure government that was vacated in 1871. Republic for the united States of America. Join your states Republic, and get out of United States Inc.

  4. 10 YeahRight November 12, 2012 at 3:42 am

    Should we secede??? You bet but it won’t happen due to the chicken little’s …here is my thoughts on ‘Veterans Day’…:

    Congressman, Senator,

    I would like to propose that we repeal Memorial Day, the 4th of July, and Veterans Day. Why? Because those days show the righteous character and fortitude of Americans. We don’t have that anymore.

    Instead of being righteous in our Constitutional Republic we are instead bowing down to tyrannies and dictatorships—stating we are sorry we are better than you because we are and you are not.

    It wasn’t until Pearl Harbor that the American people became engaged in what was happening in the world. They did not believe what the Japanese were doing in neither Asia nor that of what the Germans were doing not only to Jews but to handicap, the deformed and not the right culture. They woke up only for a little bit…to end the threat to them and the war…

    Americans ignored what ‘Uncle Joe’ Stalin did to over 80million Russians leading up to WWII and what Mao did to over 100million Chinese after WWII…WHY??? What was so special of those 6million or so of those Jews, midgets, gypsies, etc compared in Germany/WWII to the almost 200million souls that Stalin and Mao took???

    We celebrate the ‘American Way’ with Memorial Day, 4th of July, and Veterans Day because of our ‘righteous’ way and ignore everything else in the world, like the current slave trade that takes those as young as 2 years old for pedophilia and others for complete slaves or prostitution. We ignore cultures that make women 4th class citizens because of their religion or refuse to educate any female since that is not Gods way. We support dictatorships and tyrannical governments as long as they help us but ignore other countries crying out for our help.

    We ignore people that are crying out for help that are starving even though we send a token relief supply to their dictatorial/tyrannical government that keeps them in power with out question. But jump up and down for joy when we send relief to countries we have either been in war with for almost 60 years or others that have been sequestered for decades…What has America come to???

    I am baffled, but only to a point. I read of two star and four star general officers saying that we should remember those that fell for us on Veterans Day! I read the same of those two and four star generals stating we should thank a Veteran on Memorial Day!!! Maybe it is only in my world but Memorial Day is in memorial for those that died in protection of the American Way or the US Constitution. And Veterans Day is for those still living that stood up and gladly give their lives for the American Way or the US Constitution.

    And the 4th of July??? Really…when was the United States of America the United States of America???

    As I said I would like to propose that we repeal Memorial Day, the 4th of July, and Veterans Day.

    Master Sergeant USAF/Guard/Reserve 1973-2003

    • 11 no-nonsense-nancy November 12, 2012 at 7:15 am

      Thank you for your lengthy service to our country.

      We do send a lot of money to other countries in aide and most Americans don’t pay any attention to how much is going or where it is going. Something so terrible happened in Iran the other day and most people don’t know about and I’m sure Obama won’t say anything to Iran because they are his buddies. True to their 7th century mentality four women were stoned to death suposedly for drug use or dealing in drugs. These kind of things are happening in many of the countries where we send aide. We have been fighting all of these wars in the middle east and these atrosities are still happening? Amazes me!

      • 12 heather November 12, 2012 at 8:31 am

        Sharia law–the laws of the muslims dictates torture, rape, lies, deceit, on and on…anything that is advantangeous to allah.

      • 13 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 3:18 pm

        Our fighting in the ME has nothing to do with helping any people over there. I’m ex-Air Force. 1977-1981. I thought, at that time, that I was doing the right thing. How blind I was.
        Nowadays, I see that all we are doing is going in to steal other countries resources. They don’t hate us for our freedoms, they hate us because we murder the innocent in their countries.It is not the job of our “government” to send all our $$$$$ to all these other countries that have horrible human rights issues.
        I don’t think secession will work. Since all States are also incorporated and just sub-corporations of United States Inc, the parent corporation just isn’t going to let them go. I think it will have to be the people themselves learning exactly what a “US citizen” is, versus an American.
        But, hey, power to the people!!! They’re getting some attention, finally. I just hope it’s not the wrong kind of attention.

    • 14 sk1951 November 12, 2012 at 10:52 am

      I think we should repeal any reference to the “UNITED STATES” because they gave that right up with the invention of the Federated government of America.

    • 15 Bildo November 12, 2012 at 3:16 pm

      If you are a US citizen, you do not have a Republic. You have a Democracy. Join the Republic and get back to the organic Constitution.

      • 16 sk1951 November 12, 2012 at 5:23 pm

        This is yet another area that the people are void of knowledge about. And to be honest I am not sure what we have now really because we no longer rule by constitutional law.

        Citation: A constitution is what prevents tyrannical majorities from taking away the rights of minorities. This is unrelated to the distinction between “republic” and “democracy”. The United States, for instance, is a “constitutional representative democracy”, or a “constitutional republic”. Both are equivalent. It’s the word “constitution” that prevents abuse of individual rights, not the word “republic”.

        Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_a_republic_and_a_democracy#ixzz2C3bSc73E

        The documents attempted to protect the minorities and individual but now the majority is being usurped ? Since BO does not use congress or the constitution and rules by forcing his own agenda and legislation I would call this a Democratic Theocracy…without the Democracy.

  5. 20 parker November 12, 2012 at 7:12 am

    We can ignore our congressmen and senators in Washington.

    Now, as independent states from the constitution, we look to our state capitols and governors.

    Either we ARE the United States of American following the constitution or we are independent states. By allowing a usurper into the office, the constitution was nullified.

    Washington has been putting on a show, a sham, wondering how long we would fall for it and how long we would give them the funding.

    Go home, boys!

    • 21 sk1951 November 12, 2012 at 5:28 pm

      We have no United “states” they and the people have been alienated. It looks like we are more of a theocratic Parliament t now. Tea anyone?

  6. 22 jrCarolinas November 12, 2012 at 7:35 am

    Nullification is the way to go, not succession. Just off the top of my head I know of no state that has it written in their constitution to allow for succession but they do address nullification proceedings. I have only researched NC and did this back in 2010 and our state constitution says this about seceding.

    “Sec. 4. Secession prohibited.
    This State shall ever remain a member of the American Union; the people thereof are part of the American nation; there is no right on the part of this State to secede; and all attempts, from whatever source or upon whatever pretext, to dissolve this Union or to sever this Nation, shall be resisted with the whole power of the State.”

    So the fact that NC is added to this list of 15 states is a waste of time. Furthermore, these people are bringing these petitions to the white house; why are they not bringing them before their state legislators to be brought before Congress which is the correct way to do this. Individual citizens petitions to the Obama administration will be laughed off just like everything else.

    Contact your state legislators in hoards and demand nullification proceedings to commence.

    • 23 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 3:42 pm

      The “States” have not been individual republics since they INCORPORATED, under the Federal CORPORATION. The seats in the Republics were vacated and those who vacated re-conveved as a corporation, masquerading as government.
      But, yes, by all means, try nullification. Whatever works.

  7. 24 parker November 12, 2012 at 8:26 am

    Texas and Secession

    Article 1, Section 1) that “Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States…” (note that it does not state “…subject to the President of the United States…” or “…subject to the Congress of the United States…” or “…subject to the collective will of one or more of the other States…”)

    Neither the Texas Constitution, nor the Constitution of the united States, explicitly or implicitly disallows the secession of Texas (or any other “free and independent State”) from the United States. Joining the “Union” was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government “experts”—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

    Both the original (1836) and the current (1876) Texas Constitutions also state that “All political power is inherent in the people … they have at all times the inalienable right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper.”

    Likewise, each of the united States is “united” with the others explicitly on the principle that “governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed” and “whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government” and “when a long train of abuses and usurpations…evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” [3]

    http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm#txconst

  8. 25 jrCarolinas November 12, 2012 at 8:39 am

    Parker you ended describing the nullification process – State nullification is the idea that the states can and must refuse to enforce unconstitutional federal laws.

  9. 26 usapatriots-shout November 12, 2012 at 8:46 am

    So, what now that it is over?

    America new in 2008 Barry stole the election. America knew Barry would steal the election in 2012. It did nothing. The monster lost in all states that had voter ID laws. America knows he not a NBC. That’s what is so. So what. Orly Taitz and many plaintiffs, and other very skilled attorneys spent millions of dollars, unlimited hours, and unbelievable skills to challenge this creep. It was all flushed down the toilette. Romney ran a luke warm campaign and would have won—had it not been for the vote theft and Obama machine cheating. Ie; Florida had more votes to count then there are voters. Lawless Barry violated every law in chose while ridiculing, laughing and giving America the bird. The message he sends is “Stop me if you can.”

    So what is our recourse? Impeach the jerk—unlikely. The entire judicial system is corrupt. Create a third party in hopes to reclaim America by “honest” election in 4 years–too long to wait. It doesn’t hurt to begin doing so any way. Revolution is possible but not desirable. It is precisely what they want. Chances are good they will defeat America and rewrite a new government contract that removes whatever rights citizens had as of 2012. (They are doing so without a revolution today.) To secede or nullify from the union is a great choice. It is could possibly be done in less than four years. Are there enough politicians in those states with the strength of character to do what it takes without being bribed or intimidated. One item America has learned since 2008 is how corrupt our very own leaders are. Stop the flow of money to the government is also a way to weaken them. The problem is getting enough working Americans to have the courage to do so. Fear of government retaliation or loss of job renders most too fearful. They love their families. It will take all or a combination of these choices to reclaim America at this stage. Even if it all gets started, coordinated and put into action now—it may be too late.

  10. 27 jrCarolinas November 12, 2012 at 8:48 am

    Anyone want to take a guess which state’s legislature will do that first???? Like I said, these “petitions” are not being brought forth by state legislators and are not even being provided through the right avenues. They will have no standing and will only lead to civil unrest if allowed to get out of hand. But that is just my opinion. Collectively we have to defeat the beast; division among our ranks just cause collapse.

  11. 28 jrCarolinas November 12, 2012 at 8:51 am

    “The problem is getting enough working Americans to have the courage to do so” —– FEAR

    You hit the nail on the head. There is even fear in the churches.

    • 29 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm

      As a working American, NOT a US citizen, there is a difference, I took my UCC-1 Financing Statement into my employer and was declared, by them, to be tax exempt. The Beast no longer gets my support in that area any more. And I have more of what is (mistakenly) called money to with as I please. You know, like stay current on my bills.

  12. 30 jrCarolinas November 12, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Well that is my two cents for the day – back to Heyokas – Have a great day everyone here at Dr. Kates and may the Lord bestow his blessings on each of you.

  13. 31 sk1951 November 12, 2012 at 10:26 am

    How strange to think secession as unAmerican! It is unAmerican to continue to support a government originally enacted/empowered by the people, for the people, that is no longer working for the people and in fact has neutered the States and the people of any power over this NWO unAmerican government. It is unAmerican to stand by and watch the UNITED STATES fall victim to a socialist one world order FEDERALIZED government that has its sights set on taking over the world using the American people to fund it. In short…it is unAmerican to call yourself an American if you support what America has morphed into. This is not the America that the founding Fathers envisioned nor is it the Constitutional Republic that so many fought and died for. The Founders would not recognize the America of today. I wish TJ was still here to comment on what he thinks of America today. Well…maybe he did:

    I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
    Thomas Jefferson

  14. 38 jrCarolinas November 12, 2012 at 10:41 am

    One last comment – I am not against succession. I just think nullification is the first step that needs to take place and that is states can and must refuse to enforce unconstitutional federal laws. If that rightfully legal way does not work then succession, which is also legal, is indeed the answer. I am just trying to make people aware that we exhaust all avenues before we jump head first into a situation that will erupt this nation into a civil war.

  15. 39 hammer and nail November 12, 2012 at 11:02 am

    Barnhardt points out the logistical nightmare of national security loss given balkanization of the United States.
    The seaboard states would secede to the marxists and the central states to the conservatives, leaving a far less defensible situation, since the marxists would allow invasion by China and Russia.

    Secession is not the answer, rather nullification of the existing Constitution and replacement with a VALID one..

    Obama just sits at 1600 Muslim Avenue as a nothing, he legally heads nothing, he doesn’t even lead Washington DC. Legally he’s a nothing and that’s the starting point.

    • 40 sk1951 November 12, 2012 at 12:14 pm

      DC is not of America. Even the name denotes this as a district of Columbia, has its own flag and government but has 3 electoral votes. It is the head quarters of an Incorporation know as The United States of America and nullified the US constitution as its articles of incorporation with the Act of 1873. Citation follows:

      “…What Congress did by passing the Act of 1871 was create an entirely new document, a constitution for the government of the District of Columbia, an INCORPORATED government. This newly altered Constitution was not intended to benefit the Republic. It benefits only the corporation of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and operates entirely outside the original (organic) Constitution.”

      http://theunjustmedia.com/Banking%20&%20Federal%20Reserve/The%20united%20states%20Of%20America%20%20is%20a%20corporation%20owned%20by%20fore.htm

      America since then has operated under maritime law hence the gold fringe flag.

      http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2011/02/the-u-s-corporation-and-the-maritime-flag-406269.html

      • 41 sk1951 November 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm

        oops I said 1873 but posted the right 1871 info. The Act of 1873 was the Comstock that was also despicable. It is known as the Chastity law and a great example of why the religious should not be allowed into politics. Citation:

        Comstock Act, federal statute passed by the U.S. Congress in 1873 as an “Act of the Suppression of Trade in, and Circulation of, Obscene Literature and Articles of Immoral Use.”

        Named for Anthony Comstock, a zealous crusader against what he considered to be obscenity, the act criminalized publication, distribution, and possession of information about or devices or medications for “unlawful” abortion or contraception. Individuals convicted of violating the Comstock Act could receive up to five years of imprisonment with hard labour and a fine of up to $2,000. The act also banned distribution through the mail and import of materials from abroad, with provisions for even stronger penalties and fines.

        MORE: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/130734/Comstock-Act

      • 42 Bildo November 12, 2012 at 3:13 pm

        Amazing. Are you the only one that really understands what United States really is? I’ve been trying to tell people this and they just glaze over. United States is a foreign-owned, bankrupt, corporation, full of morons. Bankrupt in 1933. I’m no longer a citizen of United States. I’ve regained my birthright and am a Citizen of the Republic. There is no need to secede from the union of the several states. Just secede from the corporation known as United States.

        http://12160.info/profiles/blog/show?id=2649739%3ABlogPost%3A1010367&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post

        • 43 hammer and nail November 12, 2012 at 4:25 pm

          To both above…
          How could a state even secede from the corporation?
          So…since the union is under Maritime law and a “corporation” they could install whoever they damn well pleased all along anyway right? Now Chester Arthur was a real usurper (he had the decency to try to lie) but Obama is just a “corporate officer” maybe this is why Pelosi said (wink wink) “people would like to know how government really works” … neither “party” cares that Zero isn’t a NBC because it’s not contractually required anyway yes? Or, please explain how this works?
          “WE” don’t HAVE TO accede to being pawns of the corporation, as in actual corporate assets…which — isn’t that how the corporation sees “US”???

          I’ve read some things about not agreeing to documents where your name is all in capital letters and such…but when it comes to a thugocracy which has stolen $16TTT of what good are paper agreements?

          We need more information about this!!

        • 45 sk1951 November 12, 2012 at 5:40 pm

          I have tried for many years to “baby step” people into an understanding of what the Federal “Federated” Banking cartel known as the Federal Reserve is. Every now and then someone goes…HEY THAT AIN’T RIGHT! And they open their eyes to some of the rest. If you try to explain the usurpation’s sense the ink was drying on the Constitution it is to much for most people. But my friend…it is a very long very lonely battle…as you just have eluded too. Know that you have found a compatriot in me. And yes.,,it is exciting and uplifting to find one…like you…every now and then. But then this was the reason I was first drawn to Dr. Kate also.

          If you do not know this site http://www.dirtyunclesam.com/ you will love his stuff. I know him. He is wonderful and has helped me over the years. His passion is unmatched. Enjoy.

          • 46 hammer and nail November 12, 2012 at 6:18 pm

            Barnhardt has tracked that nearly ALL federal regulatory officials are former Goldman Sachs, Citibank, BoA, etc. employees, executives who went from millions per year salaries to 5-6 figure federal salaries…So the banks literally run federal banking regulations and enforcement (or lack thereof).

          • 48 Tenacity November 16, 2012 at 9:01 am

            sk1951, have you met Bruce personally? He is actually more coherent when he is under the influence. He got caught up with white ants at CC2009 and failed miserably to communicate the issues surrounding the 14th & other Acts after the Cotton War when afforded the opportunity. His ‘passion’, as you said, is beyond normal and partially a problem he has to control by substance intake. I happen to like the guy in spite of his dysfunction and lack of discernment regarding associations. His work certainly has merit but has yet to lead to any productive solution.

            For additional understanding and supporting information, please see the Utah Supreme Ct decision Dyett v Turner and the 1957 Georgia Memorial Petition.

        • 49 usapatriots-shout November 12, 2012 at 11:09 pm

          Bildo, What you say is so. The restore America plan people have been arguing. presenting and trying to organize a restoration based upon this fact for years. There’s Drake, Whitehats, Fulford and a whole group of people who discuss this regularly. There was even supposed to be a restoration this past year. Does any one remember the “secret governor’s packages” that were sent to all 50 governors? At this stage it seems it isn’t a matter of law but A MATTER OF MIGHT.

          • 50 drkate November 12, 2012 at 11:19 pm

            and i think all of those people were blowing smoke. nothing has panned out. where are they now?

            • 51 usapatriots-shout November 13, 2012 at 10:04 am

              That is exactly how I feel. It seems that can’t agree among themselves.

              • 52 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm

                Stuff HAS panned out. We’re here. The question is—where are You.

                Yes, there is some arguing going on inside the Republic. Some of it is in the details of following the Constitution as it’s written. I’d rather see them argue/debate than say to hell with it. Alot of stuff is getting legislated and voted on to bring the Republic up to date. Remember, it’s been awhile since the Republic was last inhabited.But, it IS moving forward.

                They have a mass phone conference system that you can listen in as issues are discussed, and even ask questions. No smoke blowing. Re-inhabiting the vacated Republic takes awhile. As far as I know, at this time, all states have been reseated. There are still many positions to be filled.

                Problem is, as you have seen just by the majority of people’s posts, it’s very difficult to find those people that are actually awake enough to fill these positions. And no pay as of this writing. Kinda like the founders of the first part of our Republic.
                The several states of the union of states, are at this time, working on setting up the court system(s). Get in on a call and and find out what is going on.
                Just the first page of the following was enough to get me to take a serious look at it:

                http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org/

                Then you can read it for yourself and decide if this sounds like the Republic we were given by the founders. I joined my state’s Republic a couple years ago.
                And, yes, I remember the governor’s packets. I think I have the one specifically for my state somewhere in one of my PC’s, or laptop, or maybe one of my flash drives .lol
                Doing things administratively is the way to start any type of action against the defacto gov.

                • 53 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 6:17 pm

                  “Some of it is in the details of following the Constitution as it’s written” If you do anything other than this…it is called NOT following the Constitution!!!! Which is also called usurpation and treason.

                  • 54 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 8:53 pm

                    Exactly. They want to be sure of themselves. Points are debated. It would be better if it could go faster, but……. Get in on a call. Find out the answers to your questions. From what I’ve seen the most “debating” that is going on is at the national level. Not so much the state. Call and see what condition your state Republic is in. Maybe you can become a Representative of the people. If that seat is still vacant. Otherwise, wait untill the next election. Being a part of the solution feels good, too.

      • 55 heather November 12, 2012 at 6:41 pm

        SK-4 yrs ago we researched on the US CORP/Maritime Law and found nothing in hard evidence to prove this is true. I too have read all the articles on the net, but unless it is proven then I have a hard time believing how true this is.

        Throughout these past 4 yrs, there has been so much propanda flying it’s impossible to believe most of it. Unless I see signature attached to a law or a bill with a corporate or govt logo and seal I cannot believe its true.

        Please if you can find something more realistic than what you posted above, please by all means post it for all of us–because I still want to put this to rest.

        • 56 usapatriots-shout November 13, 2012 at 6:15 pm

          Heather, go to nesaranews.blogspot.com. Look in the far left column and scroll down until you come to a section–I think– called nesara history. It is a very long read about a man who inherited his father’s farm only to lose it to the bank in foreclosure. There were no late payments. This was hnappening to other farmers in the area. The banks were able to do this due to a cluase no one had realized they put into the loan docs at thhe time they refinanced their farms. This begins the discovery and story of how the US was incorporated and a different Constitution put in its place.

        • 57 sk1951 November 14, 2012 at 6:29 pm

          Heather: Evidence? Can’t you see how the government is operating? Is there evidence of it being constitutionally constrained? Why do you think it can operate this way? But truly…the evidence is everywhere. You want to believe as we all do that nothing is wrong. I have been involved with many people asking me to chase my tail for them. But the simple fact is that no matter how much information is presented…an opinion will still ensue. I could have the honest to god “Noah’s Ark” sitting in the street and there would be a crowed of people standing around saying “yes it is” and “no it isn’t”. But belief is simply an opinion with a closed mind attached. Truly I wish I could abolish belief and opinion because so many think, what they think, is in fact, fact. My fervent hope for us all is that truth will prevail and that enlightenment will eventually open our collective minds. That we can all get away from these ridiculous searches for government truth and get on with our lives with Peace, Joy and Harmony that are the constant which comes with a search for your Spirit and Soul. You know…like the founding Fathers intended for us.

    • 58 jayjay November 12, 2012 at 9:34 pm

      The theory of nullification has been rejected repeatedly by the courts. The courts have found that under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, federal law is superior to state law, and that under Article III of the Constitution, the federal judiciary has the final power to interpret the Constitution.

    • 64 sk1951 November 13, 2012 at 8:24 pm

      Have you considered changing your name to gun and shovel? *s*

  16. 66 Kiltie November 12, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Just read on CitizenWells that there were 59 voting precincts in Philadelphia, and there was not ONE vote recorded for Romney. Flagrant fraud even giving the number of democrats voting there.

    • 67 sk1951 November 12, 2012 at 11:54 am

      I found the post for more votes than voters but I did not see one for no votes for Romney. Please check this. It is important that we not post none truths.

    • 68 Quantum Leap November 12, 2012 at 11:57 am

      iT’S 99% OBAMA 1% ROMNEY

    • 79 no-nonsense-nancy November 12, 2012 at 3:45 pm

      That’s real theft! My daughter and SIL live in Philly and they both voted for Romney! And many of their friends. We have to do something about this total theft of the presidency. They aren’t even being suttle about it! The brazen SOBs!

    • 80 heather November 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm

      Of course the new black panthers were out in full force in the entire city of philly, terrorizing people to vote for barry same as 08–and i truly find it strange romney didnt get 1 single vote-so much for voter fraud.

      we all know romney won this election and because barry cheated with his thugs from chicago romney just conceded which was wrong he should have challenged every swing state.

    • 81 sky November 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm

      I wonder how many votes for Ron Paul,and I heard about Allen West had votes.

  17. 82 Kiltie November 12, 2012 at 11:11 am

    ooooops. “given”

  18. 83 sk1951 November 12, 2012 at 11:35 am

    It is sad that people are losing interest in the eligibility fight. It is not about Obama it is about the Constitution and the validity of Article II. If Romney had any intentions of being a true American instead of pandering to ALL the minorities that are now standing united he would have promised America to fix this voter problem. He would have told us that along with the tax code he would fix the requirements for eligibility and voter ID laws. Well anyway…this is the new law suit that Orly has filed. It is worth the brief. http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=362065&cpage=1#comment-237150

    http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=362065&cpage=1#comment-237150

    • 84 hammer and nail November 12, 2012 at 3:54 pm

      I don’t think they’ve lost interest; they’ve just been misdirected on to the bogus birth certificate angle…not that his BC isn’t a fraud, but the easy and obvious situation is that his father (the one he says is his father) was never a US citizen. THAT is the hot potato Achille’s heel that the enemedia won’t touch.

  19. 85 Grace November 12, 2012 at 11:47 am

    I want indelible ink on the index finger of everyone who has voted!

  20. 87 parker November 12, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    These prog freaks don’t care about voter fraud because they don’t expect to ever have another election. This was the opportunity for the NWO and they took it.

  21. 91 zekemae November 12, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999

    What happened to jb Williams? You may like him or not, but he really had it correct in July 2009. “Congress, the courts even the military brass and law enforcement will do nothing to save this country. The state run media complex is running interference. The American people are on their own here…”

  22. 94 Mary November 12, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    Growing number of states petition to secede

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/now-many-states-want-to-secede-from-u-s/

    Personally, I’d rather see the dissolution of the Union than its take-over by the NWO and subsequent change to the People’s Islamic Republic of North America

    • 95 hammer and nail November 12, 2012 at 3:55 pm

      What a joke, “petitioning’ the usurper to secede. pffft

      • 96 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 12:51 pm

        Now now… hammer…let the children play… At least they are showing an interest.

        • 97 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 5:25 pm

          Yeah, I’m hoping it will lead to alot of them actually waking up. Then they’ll find out that all they are voting in is a foreign-owned, bankrupt, corporation that doesn’t give a rat’s butt about the people. “Throw ‘em a few “benefits” and they’ll all be happy.”
          I haven’t had my TV hooked up for a few years now. Tried to watch it a couple months ago and couldn’t stand the sheer idiocy. Especially in the news arena.

          • 98 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 6:12 pm

            There is rumbling that the US will openly declare bankruptcy and forgive the national debt. But if that were to happen the world markets would alienate us. You could not buy a loaf of bread with anything other than gold or silver or maybe your wife.

            • 99 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 9:05 pm

              Since United States already went bankrupt in 1933, and has been operating in receivership ever since, there will be a bankruptcy inside a bankruptcy. How’s that gonna work????

  23. 100 A Crazy Old Coot November 12, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    http://www.thepatriotspress.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=537%3Athe-patriots-press-allen-west-prevails-in-palm-beach-county&catid=11&Itemid=191

    Allen West Prevails in Palm Beach County

    Written by David DiCrescenzo on 10 November 2012. Posted in Politics

    (Allen West)

    A long day and night of waiting and volunteering has paid off for Allen West supporters in Palm Beach County early this morning when he was declared the winner in that county by a margin of 195 votes, giving him a 49.93% edge over challenger Patrick Murphy. With this news, the focus is now centered on the recount to be conducted on Wednesday in St. Lucie County

    • 101 Quantum Leap November 13, 2012 at 11:39 pm

      How come Patrick Murphy was one of the “new” dems Pelosi was Ortenting in congress today? Pelosi set this up before the election. She punked West and almost came and said she would before the election.

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I don’t have the URL.

      GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOgle it.

    • 102 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 6:13 pm

      I like West…hope he wins.

  24. 103 typistjan November 12, 2012 at 3:10 pm

    NDAA in action with solutions at the end

  25. 105 hammer and nail November 12, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Historical data on 56 previous elections indicate at least 15 to 20 million votes flipped and
    missing. Data available for everyone right in front of our eyes. Out of 56 presidential elections there were only 7 elections that voter turn out was down from previous elections. The combined total for all 7 elections is 13,428,613 or 0.73% out of all 56 elections generating 1,835,207,811 votes. These 7 elections had events such as war of 1812, civil war, ww2, stock market crash attached to declines in voter turn out.

    The average growth in all presidential elections is 2,892,573 per election. The increase in votes for the last 5 presidential elections is 40 million. Yes that’s an average of 8 million more votes per for the last 5 elections, In 2008 131 million votes were counted. On Nov 2012 Gallop reported that this election mattered more to democrats 66% independents 62% and republicans 85%. So voter turnout 131 million from 2008 + 8 million average rate of growth last 5 elections + increased voter interest. That is 139 million + increased interest. 122 million votes counted
    for 2012 ???? THATS A SHORTFALL OF 17 MILLION VOTES!!!!! Where are they ? Everyone lets put on our thinking caps and why are we being distracted to different issues?.
    does it touch you in your core?

    Also check

    http://noisyroom.net/blog/2012/11/11/romney-did-not-lose/comment-page-1/#comment-54816

    http://gulagbound.com/35972/nationwide-white-votes-down-by-16m-smell-like-election-tampering/

    http://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2012/10/04/why-did-the-networks-cancel-exit-polls-in-19-states/

    • 107 parker November 12, 2012 at 9:08 pm

      Barry knows that we know…about his usurpation, about his murders, about sacrificing Americans, about his foreign loyalties.

      Let us not forget that he was chosen to lead the globalists. The Chinese and Russians are positioned to attack those citizens who realize that the republic has ended. We are the enemies to Barry’s new North American Union.

      Think about it. Homeland Security has identified patriotic, constitution-loving people as domestic terrorists. It is because the republic officially ended in 2008, so we truly are enemies of the present government – a totalitarian regime that has yet to identify itself. George W. Bush announced that he was the last president. He did not make such a statement in a vacuum.

      The destitution of individual’s wealth and resulting dependence on the government for shelter and food means that a dependent populace looks to the government for protection and will accept all forms of tyranny for warmth and food. It will not matter to them that a form of government called a “republic” or that a piece of paper called a “constitution” has been dissolved. They simply do not care.

      But for those of us who know that the United States of America has dissolved, it makes us a threat to Barry’s regime.

      Barry deserves an Oscar. Every day he plays “pretend that there is a Republic, that I give a sh*t, and that I was re-elected.” In his unique acting abilities, he has managed to work a crowd and have them play along with him – the biggest fraud ever perpetrated against the American people.

      We’ve wondered why we haven’t heard anything from our elected. No doubt they have been bribed and threatened to keep the dirty secret and to play along. Apparently, this has been going on a long, long time.

    • 111 jayjay November 12, 2012 at 10:08 pm

      Also Louisiana.

    • 112 sk1951 November 13, 2012 at 8:38 pm

      I believe Texas is the only State that still has legal constitutional authority to succeed.

  26. 113 typistjan November 12, 2012 at 6:10 pm

    The John Birch Society is a non-political society that puts huge efforts on teaching the Constitution and remedies.

  27. 114 Durus November 12, 2012 at 8:56 pm

    No Joke: The GOP Can Not Legally Help Stop Vote Fraud
    11/12/2012 06:32:00 PM PolitiJim 1 comment

    My good friend Alan Vera of True the Vote told me long ago that we have a two party system. The Corrupt Party and the Stupid Party. To that fact, during the weekly True the Vote webcast, Catherine Engelbrecht related a meeting she had with RNC Chairman Reince Priebus, asking what the GOP would do about voter integrity. The answer?

    Nothing. They aren’t legally able to. (I’m not joking.)

    Read more: http://www.politijim.com/2012/11/no-joke-gop-can-not-legally-help-stop.html

  28. 115 no-nonsense-nancy November 12, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    In the ancient Greeks’ cities of self government their magistrates had term lilmits of only one year and could not serve after that. In addition, after their term was over they had a public trial and could be held accountable for their actions while serving! Can you imagine our politicians’ reaction if they had to abide by that? I say let’s get it here!

  29. 118 heather November 12, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    I am more fearful now after this election than the first 4 yrs. Barry set the table for the dessert with his re-election and the end of our country as we have known it.

    • 119 sky November 13, 2012 at 8:39 am

      Its time for OK. to join the other 20 states to suceed from the union.

      • 120 heather November 13, 2012 at 5:15 pm

        I saw OK on the list last night, and Gov Mary Fallin said she plans on vetoing the HC bill—we will see. I guess if OK seceeds, the state goes back to Indian Territory–because OK did not become a state until 1907.

  30. 121 no-nonsense-nancy November 12, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Obama is thinking about making John Kerry defence secretary! Didn’t he throw his unearned metals away after Vietnam? we have hit the bottom of the barrell now, America. Let’s protest that fraudulent election (selection)
    and soon!

    http://weaselzippers.us/2012/11/12/report-obama-considering-john-kerry-for-secretary-of-defense/

    • 122 usapatriots-shout November 12, 2012 at 10:56 pm

      Did they hear us between 2008 and 2012? No? Why on earth would they hear us now. This country has been in nothing but turmoil fighting the umlimited number of crimes against America. What did it get us? Another 4 years of Obama and possibly the rest of our lives. This is far bigger than the recourse given to us by our forefathers!

    • 123 typistjan November 13, 2012 at 12:33 am

      Well, if the whole idea is to cut down our military, who could be better than the Traitor Kerry?

      • 124 heather November 13, 2012 at 1:55 pm

        ditto TJ–he was a traitor during VV and is still a traitor–he made his money taking bribes and marrying Heinz Ketsup. He needs to go along with all the radical dems and the traitors on the gop side.

    • 125 Quantum Leap November 13, 2012 at 11:46 pm

      Kerry is obama’s puppetmaster. He’s the boss in congress since Teddy died….. That I can prove with a you tube…..BUT I’ll let you all search for it.
      He planned for Hillary to be SOS for one term so he can take over the 2nd term like they even knew obama would cheat the vote AGAIN!

  31. 126 typistjan November 13, 2012 at 12:31 am

    If you have not seen or heard Charlie Kirk, this is uplifting. Maybe there is hope in the younger generation with or without the Romenys and Rinos

    and check out the web site: http://WWW.TURNINGPOINTUSA.NET

  32. 129 typistjan November 13, 2012 at 1:16 am

    Perfect Quote
    Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way that you can quickly understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper Prager Zeitungon:
    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president.”

  33. 132 heather November 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm

    Since Michelle Bachmann was pushing for the defunding of obamacare and since we are about to experience senior and handicap genocide I decided to call her today and request that she start the defunding process now since money comes through congress. I also requested that she get together with the rest of the republicans and demand a recount of the ballots since there was no way barry could win.

    I did my best to appeal to the aide to pass my info along asap as we are now running out of time. He agreed and said he would pass this info and also gave her website address. He did say that she plans on trying to get rid of obamacare in 2 yrs when we hold the new elections and I said that she needs to start this now we are out of time.

    I think if enough of us demand to any and all congressmen/women that we want this thing defunded/repealed they will do whatever it takes to get it done and I don’t believe for one iota that it is now the law of the land—per the quote from that rat John Boehner……….who probably got paid off big time or threatened or both.

  34. 133 Extirpates November 13, 2012 at 2:19 pm

    Sorry for the long reply-absolutely necessary!!!!!

    Individual Staies have a right to separate…
    According to the Declaration of Independence,
    “ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security”
    “obamacare” destroys the foundation documents and is cause to sever the relationship with duh Fudds. Interesting note, several of the states filing notice went for “O”, most curious. [20 states are in the process],

  35. 134 no-nonsense-nancy November 13, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    I refuse to read anything about the Petraeus scandal. It is to get barry off the hook on Benghazi. We are being crushed just as if they took a bulldozer to all of us.

    • 135 heather November 13, 2012 at 5:16 pm

      NNN-I agree, that plus get us to stop talking about the rigged election. All one big distraction–and who cares who has affairs with who!

      • 136 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 6:15 pm

        Yup, lots of distraction. The rigged election is just another distraction. You could put Elmo in the Oral Office and it wouldn’t change a thing. The Corporation has an agenda. No matter who sits in as the present puppet/marionette, the Agenda will proceed.

  36. 137 heather November 13, 2012 at 5:22 pm

    Rush said today that when barry runs out of our money he knows there is trillions in retirement funds, iras, pensions, investments–his plan will be to steal that from us—by way of crashing the dollar! Sure think about it, what better way to rob us totally blind then to crash our financial system to avoid rioting in the streets.

    • 138 Durus November 15, 2012 at 1:55 pm

      Obama Begins Push for New National Retirement System

      A recent hearing sponsored by the Treasury and Labor Departments marked the beginning of the Obama Administration’s effort to nationalize the nation’s pension system and to eliminate private retirement accounts including IRA’s and 401k plans, NSC is warning.

      The hearing, held in the Labor Department’s main auditorium, was monitored by NSC staff and featured a line up of left-wing activists including one representative of the AFL-CIO who advocated for more government regulation over private retirement accounts and even the establishment of government-sponsored annuities that would take the place of 401k plans.

      Read more: http://www.nationalseniorscouncil.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=89%3Aobama-begins-push-for-new-national-retirement-system&catid=34%3Asocial-security&Itemid=62

      • 139 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 2:15 pm

        What is the greatest threat to the economy?

        Investments are the greatest threat to our economy. As the investment class (the rich)stock pile more money into investments and retirement investments increase the financial investment class grows bigger. We have a class division that now includes both the rich and the poor. Even the working class is now hinged to the investment class through IRA and 401k hoping to make money on recessionary price increases. ALL ARE HOPING FOR RECESSION! With the population clamoring for recession…which way to you think the government is going to turn us financially?

        With this huge class of investment people looking everyday for an increase in their money, what is the chance of a deflation in recession? You can’t have inflation increase of investment money without recession of money value. No…I am not Ron Paul. This is my very own thinking!

        Investment IS the root cause of recession. Every dollar that grows simply because it is sitting in an investment doing nothing devalues the dollar. Practical knowledge tells us that the more we sit, the LESS our fat ass is worth.

        This belief system we have built from real-estate to the financial market is killing the value of the dollar. So things cost more because the dollar is worth less…or more aptly stated…worthless.

        So where are we truly going with investments? I think down the proverbial drain. A devaluation of the dollar does not seem the smart choice simply to make sitting dollars increase in numbers.

        This thinking not to be confused with company’s and corporations that work to provide jobs and increase the real GNP.

  37. 140 no-nonsense-nancy November 13, 2012 at 6:35 pm

    This is a good article. I beling to the Valley Forge Tea Party.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/the_tea_party_at_valley_forge.html

  38. 143 heather November 13, 2012 at 9:02 pm

    This Petraus affair is so strange. He certainly doesn’t strike me as a man that would go to this extreme and ruin his life and livihood for some fling–and the same now with Gen Allen.

    My bet is these men were against barry and barry set this entire thing up and this is the outcome. To ruin their lives for not gong along with barry and co.

    • 144 no-nonsense-nancy November 13, 2012 at 9:19 pm

      I agree, Heather. Barry will destroy anyone who gets in his way, no matter how he has to do it or who they are. Look at how he talked about his own grandmother, if she really was his grandmother. And didn’t even attend his mother’s funeral because it wasn’t convenient for him? If she is even dead!
      i hate feeling bitter but these idiots who gave us this ungodly, evil snake really disgust me.
      I personally never thought Herman Kane did those things, either.

      • 145 heather November 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm

        NNN-I believe nothing that comes from any of them anymore. It’s all a dog and pony show to shut us up.

        Barrys mother and grandparents–we don’t know who they really are, all we have seen are old pictures and they could be of anyone.

        Herman Kane, no way, he’s a clean and God fearing man and I don’t believe those things either.

      • 146 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 2:28 pm

        NNN…did you notice how weak the NRC and Mitt got toward the end of the campaign? Mitt has a wife and kids too to protect. NOTHING would surprise me anymore.

    • 147 Durus November 14, 2012 at 5:24 am

      What evidence do they have against Gen. Petraeus and Gen. Allen? Emails… which could have been planted.

      This is all just too convenient to be believable.

      • 148 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 2:24 pm

        There is no “evidence” because there is no crime. And the laws of evidence have been broken because of server search without a warrant. All they have is a saved document that was never sent as their “evidence”. This whole thing is nothing but a stinky fish.

        • 149 no-nonsense-nancy November 16, 2012 at 2:10 pm

          Beck stasted that he asked some of the former top CIA and DOD directors about email use and they all stated that they don’t use email because of the ease in hacking into them. I really wonder if Patreaus used email.

  39. 150 heather November 13, 2012 at 9:30 pm

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/the_fiscal_cliff_is_a_good_thing.html

    I’m willing to take this dive, if in the end we win America back.

    BTW–Gov Mary Fallin from Ok just said, Ok will not succeed from the union on the local news–but I don’t think she has the authority to stop us.

    • 151 no-nonsense-nancy November 13, 2012 at 10:32 pm

      I think we have already gone over the fiscal cliff. We’re just waiting to hit the rocks below.

    • 152 sky November 14, 2012 at 8:12 am

      Mary Fallin is a rino,she brought the chinese and Aubrey Mclendon to lake texoma state park to try to sell it to them they declined,go to prowlingowl.com and see the corruption, probley going on in other states.These people lie on what they are doing or not doing and handing out tax credits,hedge funds,and deritives.

      • 153 heather November 14, 2012 at 9:06 am

        I’m not fond of Mary Fallin at all. I have caught quite a few of her lies and what I think is they all lie and “forget” what lies they have told before they tell new lies!

    • 154 parker November 14, 2012 at 5:58 pm

      Perry said the same thing. They are prepared to move into their sections of the North American Union…I think Oklahoma is a capitol.

    • 156 usapatriots-shout November 14, 2012 at 8:19 am

      The lessons these past 4 years and this election have taught me is we the people no longer govern we the people. Any legal recourse we once had has been violated.Te new government ignores the process and operates by its own unknown to us rules. Like Orly Taitz’s monumental effort to get the courts to hear the eligibility facts re: the usurper became the greatest single effort in fuitlilty, so will petitions to secede the union.

      If the states truly desire to secede, then let them cancel and void (nullification) all their agreements and contracts between their states and government and no longer give the Feds money WITH OUT ASKING THEIR PERMISSION. JUST DO IT, NOW. It will become imediately effective, save precious time, money and force the Feds to spin their wheels trying to make the states comply.

      Will it lead to civil war or revolution? It might. Would that be better than sitting here like fish in a barrel wondering when they are going to pick us off? Depnds, maybe . . .Either way we will be begging for food, power, medical help, gas, and our lives.

    • 157 sky November 15, 2012 at 2:41 am

      will the people in the military from these different states their from suceed,also,and come together,as a republic of the states military?including secretservice,and kicking out the FED?UN,Council of foreign relations,and washington DC would be just a state,and the whitehouse made into a museum,like the rest of the buildings?

  40. 159 Quantum Leap November 13, 2012 at 11:30 pm

    This is good:

    “Posted by:ChairForce_One •
    I love Christmas lights. They remind me of the people who voted for Obama. They all hang together; half of them don’t work, and the ones who do aren’t all that bright.”

  41. 163 usapatriots-shout November 14, 2012 at 9:56 am

    Here’s the way to secede from the union. Cut the BS.

    Notice to the Federal Government of the United States

    The state of______________ withdraws its membership from the union. From this date forward the citizens of this state no longer have to pay Federal taxes, or honor Federal laws. They are permitted to bear arms, free speech, practice the religion of their choice, and earn to their highest ability without penalty from the Federal government. This notice officially severs this state from the tyranny of the Federal government.

    This is our first, last and only notice regarding our secession. This state is prepared for any and all government retaliation against the citizens of this state should it be foolishness enough to do so?

    Bye.

  42. 166 no-nonsense-nancy November 14, 2012 at 10:36 am

    Eric Cantor knew about the Petraeus scandal a week before the election and took no action!

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/51054

  43. 171 coldwarvet2 November 14, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    …and outed a whistleblower, thus alienating him (and any future whistleblowers) to the Republican Party in typical party reasoning as of late…thus puting his career on the line to boot while trusting this clown circus to vindicate him, along with the rest of us….

  44. 172 hammer and nail November 14, 2012 at 3:27 pm

    I just wanted to make an observation about hillbuzz
    I felt the whole emphasis was and still is, placation of GOPers. They emphasized how O could not possibly win, how he had his mansion ready to move in to, how his being gay in spades and exposed on Benghazi had cooked his goose. They poopooed vote fraud other than the drama-kinds, like NBP or ACORN crap, bused in Somalis, etc. But they still poopoo SCYTL and Votematic and electronic vote flipping fraud — which I believe is responsible for the 17 million missing votes. They seem to say GOP eats its own and shouldn’t while then it picks apart the reasons they analyze that GOP lost — i.e. RP voters stayed home, evangelicals rebelled against a Mormon, etc., thus nullifying their emphasis that GOP shouldn’t blame itself. Worst of all, they want us to focus on 2014 and 2016, the same slow roll bullshit which got us to 2012’s mess.
    I just assess that ANY news source, blogs included that has never emphasized O’s ineligibility is working FOR him.
    There’s a lot of them out there. Even WND was waaay late with the eligibility emphasis, they harped only on the BC.
    I suppose this analysis is a bit of eating our own, but then those profiteers weren’t our own anyway.

    O is just an illegal POS nothing, and that’s where this all starts.

  45. 177 usapatriots-shout November 14, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    Petition for secession is proof America didn’t vote for Obama

    Nothing shouts louder that America did not vote for Obama more than 50 states petitioning for secession. America knows damn well it voted for Romney but was forced to swallow Obama. A stolen election is a stolen election by any other name is a stolen election. We have nothing but inner America turmoil to suffer as a result of the thieves in the WH.

  46. 179 heather November 14, 2012 at 8:08 pm

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/10/15/us-arms-usa-treaty-idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

    Better read this and take a stand–we have been forewarned this is coming soon.

  47. 180 Quantum Leap November 14, 2012 at 9:17 pm

    Here’s my president.

    “If it’s not accepted that big government, fiat money, ignoring liberty, central economic planning, welfarism, and warfarism caused our crisis, we can expect a continuous and dangerous march toward corporatism and even fascism with even more loss of our liberties,” said Paul

  48. 181 Quantum Leap November 14, 2012 at 9:19 pm

    Ron Paul: Raising Taxes Doesn’t Necessarily Increase Revenue -Nov 14

  49. 183 heather November 14, 2012 at 9:37 pm

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/scalia-vs-thomas-jefferson-on-secession/

    And now scotus scalia says NO to sucession and take away our citizenship and deport us (to where, we are NBCs) How about we deport barry soetoro to outer siberia forever….screw his new mansion in Hi.

  50. 186 heather November 14, 2012 at 10:09 pm

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/big-sis-to-monitor-facebook-twitter-for-bioterrorism-and-pandemics.html

    oh brother, here it comes–more crappola from this bogus agency. i guess we better be careful what we write. total invasion of privacy and i think they are doing everything they can to piss us off in hopes of rebellion from americans.

      • 190 no-nonsense-nancy November 15, 2012 at 6:57 am

        Have these people thought about what would happen if these states did secede? How would they function? The reason the founding fathers threw away the Confederation and formed the new union was because as individual little countries, as they were really, they weren’t making it. Commerce was a big problem. Would they form another country or be individual little countries again? They would need commerce, agriculture, economy, etc. Would they be like the European Union which is crumbling? tAs I see it the state governments would have to be the ones to secede. A group of citizens signing petitions may be making a statement for sure. Is that what their goal is?

        • 191 drkate November 15, 2012 at 10:22 am

          Nullify first is the answer. Who in their right mind is signing petitions (aka giving up IP addresses) on a white house web site? How do we know its not a grand set up?

          nullify nullify nullify…

        • 193 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 1:24 pm

          Sadly any change will entail military involvement. The people in revolt would simply be a pointless blood bath and very short lived. The treat of violence does however work sometimes as we saw in the OJ trial. Many minority groups and faction use it quite well. But a sit down talk with the heads of government and the heads of military will be the deciding factor. We see more and more heat being created daily. The Fort Hood “work place violence” and Obama stepping in with the OBL debacle that the Seals have debunked as a lie along with that stupid politico movie Seal team Six. Now we have Benqazigate and I think this is going to be a biggie. For those that pray…we can only hope that the military will stand with its oath to protect the people and the constitution and not the Federated Islamic order of the newly founded ObamaNation. Cooler heads must prevail. Secession will not happen and even if it did the mess created would be catastrophic. No…we still have the greatest country and government to ever exist. We simply have not been vigilant and let it slip away. We were warned of this many years ago by TJ. At a few hundred years we are an infant country. We have toddled our way into extreme arrogance and self interests. This mentality will always pay a price and everyone will pay it together not in part. It is not a matter of if we will go through a collapse (the deficit guaranties that) it is just a matter of when and how far the we collapse before rebuilding. Hopefully English will still be our primary language but we may have to learn Mandarin.

  51. 194 usapatriots-shout November 15, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Before states secede, there will be war . . .

    . . . . Also–This mean spirited group who is now RULING us have the confidence to tell us any one who supports and signs the petition to secede will be stripped of their citizenship and deported. They have that confidence because they know they will block any recourse we have.

    Where are they going to deport all the people who are NBC? Isn’t it strange they want to deport the people born in America but give amnesty to the illegal aliens? I see the critical mass building for the perfect storm–civil war/revolution. The worst is yet to come.

    Will it lead to civil war or revolution? It might. Would that be better than sitting here like fish in a barrel wondering when they are going to pick us off? Depends, maybe . . . Either way we will be begging for food, power, medical help, gas, and our lives within the next two years. Unless the military choose to side with those who secede–we will not win. The rulers will win and it will the United Stats of Communist America. Howeveer–shuold we get lucky and win–the rulers will be ousted, the “American corporation will be dissolved” and a return to the Republic of America will occur. Most of the current senators, assebly persons, and sleazy Congressmen will be replaced with new leadership that will do good for America until they become seasoned enough to become corrupted.

    • 195 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 1:33 pm

      The Patriot Act (more aptly the Anti-Patriot Act) has legally deafened the citizens as enemies against the government. I don’t know what else to call it accept the new found ObamaNation. Any acts against the government are now considered an act of war and sedition punishable by what ever means the government feels necessitates its safety. In other words the war was underway long ago and with the collapse of the constitution we have no legal way to protect ourselves anymore because I don’t know if the Declaration of Independence is valid now.

  52. 196 heather November 15, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Has anyone taken notice that michele and barrys pictures have just disappeared from ads on all sites? Like yahoo email-throughout the last 6 months both of the pictures would appear on the sides or above–since the election they are gone.

  53. 199 heather November 15, 2012 at 1:43 pm

    thank you barry soetoro—put these people to work-

  54. 205 foxyladi14 November 15, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Will we get that Unicorn now!! :roll:

  55. 206 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    The end for Twinkies may just be hours away. Hostess Brands Inc., the maker of the iconic snack, announced on Wednesday that it will liquidate the entire company if not enough striking employees return to work by Thursday evening.

    “We simply do not have the financial resources to survive an ongoing national strike,” Hostess CEO Gregory Rayburn said in a statement Wednesday. “Therefore, if sufficient employees do not return to work by 5 p.m., EST, on Thursday to restore normal operations, we will be forced to immediately move to liquidate the entire company, which will result in the loss of nearly 18,000 jobs.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/Business/twinkies-maker-hostess-liquidate-company-strikes-persist/story?id=17725053#.UKVWEIZKw_w

  56. 207 heather November 15, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    we have a large hostess plant here and 160 are slated to lose their jobs if they dont go to work by 4pm central time TODAY! and the workers are saying this is unfair–oh well get on board with us. too bad the union has spoken and the workers will lose some pension and their HEALTHCARE WILL SKY ROCKET! hmmm-didnt barry tell the union boss that they would be exemot from his genocide bill?

    • 208 no-nonsense-nancy November 15, 2012 at 2:34 pm

      If you have a job in this country why in the world would you strike? They deserve whatever they get. Workers need to get rid of the unions.

      • 209 heather November 15, 2012 at 5:13 pm

        Ditto NNN…Unions are obsolete today they out lived their usefullness yrs ago and should have been disolved yrs ago. Chalk them up with getting rid of the UN, CFR, Trilateral, IMF, the fed, and the rest of these made up money laundering groupies.

  57. 210 Tiger 7 November 15, 2012 at 4:31 pm

    DrKate is correct—“Secession” is the excitative word, “nullify” is the operative word. The states have that capability already and it doesn’t entail any overt action by the military or militia. Just a little backbone.

  58. 211 hammer and nail November 15, 2012 at 4:57 pm

    Romney works for Obama
    He’s going to get a cabinet position
    He never once mentioned the ineligibility issue
    He never once mentioned the massive electronic vote flipping and vote fraud
    This is shit

    • 212 hammer and nail November 15, 2012 at 5:01 pm

      “Department of Business” WTF??
      The “Department of Business” should do nothing but end every other department which infringes on business, over-regulation, egregious taxation, and phase them all out followed hastily by phasing itself out!
      Here’s how to increase business and revenues and quality of living in the USA: “Leave us the fuck alone!”

    • 215 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 5:46 pm

      Exactly hammer. Two cheeks on the same ass. I felt that Mitt handed it to him also.

    • 216 no-nonsense-nancy November 15, 2012 at 6:07 pm

      i said that in a meeting of my grass roots group after the 3rd debate, that romney doesn’t want to win. One of the people was astounded and asked me why i would say such a thing. America needs to get over their misconception of there being two political parties in this country. We don’t need to create a 3rd party, we need to dissolve the two branches of the one party we already have.

  59. 218 Bob's Box November 15, 2012 at 5:05 pm

    The Key to True Secession with Dr. Edwin Vieira

  60. 219 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Off topic news… Four Islamists on Gov. Christie’s Muslim Outreach Committee

    Imam Mohammad Qatanani, whose deportation is sought by the Department of Homeland Security for not disclosing on his green card application that he was arrested and convicted by Israel in 1993 for his involvement with Hamas;

    Ahmed Shedeed, a fervent supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and President of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, a mosque with a history of Islamist leadership. Its website currently contains disturbing statements about jihad, the West, wife beating and polygamy;

    Mohammed Younes, the President of the American Muslim Union, a group with Islamist leadership and close ties to Qatanani’s mosque, which was founded by a Hamas fundraiser; and

    Imam Abdul Basit of the New Brunswick Islamic Center, a mosque founded by a radical cleric. In July, it held a Brotherhood-linked seminar featuring multiple extremist speakers.

    http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/four-islamists-gov-christies-muslim-outreach-committee

    • 220 hammer and nail November 15, 2012 at 8:49 pm

      Christie doesn’t even merit the low level assignment of “RINO”
      he’s a freeking lying ass dhimmi tub o commie lard
      talks hard once in a while but when the rubber meets the road he helps the usurper and pushes for sharia

  61. 221 sk1951 November 15, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    I found this site that has the current “34” States total count on current signatures now at over 700,000. http://rtr.org/pages/Tracking-Secession

    • 222 typistjan November 16, 2012 at 12:23 am

      How funny, PA is on their second petition, wonder where there votes were duing the election?

      • 223 no-nonsense-nancy November 16, 2012 at 1:29 pm

        Born and living in PA I’m wondering that too. In my county my CAF group in coordination with American Majority, knocked on doors and made phone calls to over 1 million people. And that was just the southern part of our county. We went for Romney by a 10% margin! The rest of the state is a disgrace.

    • 224 jayjay November 16, 2012 at 4:56 pm

      50 states total 837,000 this am.

  62. 226 A Crazy Old Coot November 15, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    Could the following be a warning to other judges??
    //////////////////////////////////////////////

    John M. Roll, the chief U.S. District judge in Arizona

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110

    “According to this SVR report, Federal Judge John McCarthy Roll was the Chief Judge for the United States District Court for the District of Arizona who this past Friday issued what is called a “preliminary ruling” in a case titled “United States of America v. $333,520.00 in United States Currency et al” [Case Number: 4:2010cv00703 Filed: November 30, 2010] wherein he stated he was preparing to rule against Obama’s power to seize American citizens money without clear and convincing evidence of a crime being committed.”

    According to other people at the scene, federal district judge John Roll was the firt person shot.”

    • 246 heather November 16, 2012 at 10:08 am

      barry soetoro is the reason MY STATE SENATOR will not seek re-election–Dr. Tom Coburn, the one known as DR. NO.

      How many more businesses will we now lose because of him?

      How many more unemployed people will there be?

      How many of those businesses that go out of business will be food companies?

      Will our military stand with us and our 1st responders when this all goes down? Or will they stand with communism and this dictator? What will they gain from barry if they take us down?

      When companies go out of business that are union, like hostess, and the workers are out of jobs will the unions still back him? What’s in it for them to stick with barry?

      Denny’s is now increasing the prices on their menus to compensate for the healthcare for their employees–so now the consumer not only gets to pay for their HC, we will have our own to contend with and pay–that’s a double whammie. Oh just don’t tip the waiters and waitress you say?–good idea, why should we pay twice for anything. Once again every american is screwed and these so called “elected officials” voted for this and we in turn vote for them, all based on nothing but empty promises and lies.

      Isn’t it time we vote these greedy bastards out once and for all instead of allowing them to continue to ruin our lives. OMG–I just cannot believe that Romney/Ryan are not demanding a recount. I just cannot believe that he is still in.

      • 247 usapatriots-shout November 16, 2012 at 10:38 am

        Heather, the reality is we cannot vote the greedy bastards out. We tried to do so with this last election. Our votes don’t count. They are nothing more than placebos. Voting no longer works in America.

        Look at the last four years–all the Tea Party ralleys and demonstrations, literally millions of phone calls and letters to Senators, Congressmen, Assembly, Governors, giant bill boards, town hall meetings, law suits books written and any other way we could express our dissatisfaction with these rulers. The reality is we are fish caught in their net with no recourse or escape. The net is about to be permanently closed within the year or so.

        We are no longer citizens. We are subjects of the ruling regime. This is the United States of Islam. We no longer have the luxury of believing we are still governed by rational leadership under the protection of the Constitution. We still don’t know the new rules–but you can be certain they are not in our best interest.

    • 251 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 11:58 am

      typistjan: The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest [internet] Spy Center. When construction is completed in 2013, the heavily fortified $2 billion facility in Bluffdale will encompass 1 million square feet. (This is nearing completion) http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/

      • 252 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 12:09 pm

        the NSA has turned its surveillance apparatus on the US and its citizens. It has established listening posts throughout the nation to collect and sift through billions of email messages and phone calls, whether they originate within the country or overseas. It has created a supercomputer of almost unimaginable speed to look for patterns and unscramble codes. Finally, the agency has begun building a place to store all the trillions of words and thoughts and whispers captured in its electronic net. And, of course, it’s all being done in secret. To those on the inside, the old adage that NSA stands for Never Say Anything applies more than ever.

  63. 254 usapatriots-shout November 16, 2012 at 3:35 am

    American Citizens Are Now A Captured People

    This is the first time in American history that the citizens have been so angry over the election results that it has petitioned to secede from the union. It is clear by the states reaction and actions America DOES NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT THESE RULERS ARE ARE SHOVING DOWN AMERICAS THROAT. They are stacking all the cards in their favour while they are violating all the protections and rights provided for American citizens. It is very clear we are now a captured people. The net is about to be closed.

    They knew they were guilty the first time they perjured Obama’s eligibility. The rest of our alleged political leaders conspired with the plan and traded America for the paltry price of keeping their jobs. There isn’t one person in office, today I would keep. It doesn’t matter anymore for our votes are nothing more than placebos.

    Hold on to our hats. Hence forward we are in a do or die position with all the odds against us in favour of the rulers. These rulers are neither sane nor rational. They have blood in their hearts and on their hands and lust for more.

  64. 255 Durus November 16, 2012 at 9:18 am

    You recall Franklin’s remark in answer to the lady who asked, “Tell me, Mr. Franklin, are we going to have a republic or a monarchy?” He replied, “A republic, thank God, if you can keep it that way.”

    Source: Iowa. General Assembly. Senate. Journal of the Senate of the … General Assembly of the State of Iowa, Iowa General Assembly. Page 45. View @ Google Books http://books.google.com/books?id=1L4lAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA45

  65. 256 usapatriots-shout November 16, 2012 at 9:34 am

    Yes, Durus, I have read that many times. Well,, it looks like we couldn’t keep it. We are subjects of the rulers.

  66. 257 Durus November 16, 2012 at 11:31 am

    The United States exists in two forms: The original united States that was in operation until 1860; a collection of sovereign Republics in the union. Under the original Constitution the States controlled the Federal Government; the Federal Government did not control the States and had limited authority.

    The original united States of America has been usurped by a separate and different United States Corporation formed in 1871, which only controls the District of Columbia and it’s territories, and which is actually a corporation (the United States Corporation) that acts as our current government. The United States Corporation operates under Corporate/Commercial Law rather than Common/Private Law. In the original Constitution and Declaration of Independence, it refers to “these united States”. The word “united” was an adjective describing the noun States. That is why the lower case on united. When the United States Corporation was formed in 1871, the united was changed to United because the United States as a corporation was now a noun.

    Read more: http://www.republicoftheunitedstates.org/what-is-the-republic/history/

    • 258 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 11:47 am

      Government de facto. A government of fact. A government actually exercising power and control, as opposed to the true and lawful government; a government not established according to the constitution of the nation,

      We fly under Admiralty law. The main problem I have with the yellow fringe is that by its use our Constitutional Republic is no more. Our system of law was changed without the public’s knowledge. It was kept secret. This is fraud. The American people were allowed to believe this was just a decoration. Because the law changed from Common Law (God’s Law) to Admiralty Law (the kings law) your status also changed from sovereign to subject. From being able to own property (allodial title) to not owning property (tenet on the land). If you think you own your property, stop paying taxes, it will be taken under the prize law.

      “The ultimate ownership of all property is in the state; individual so-called `ownership’ is only by virtue of government, i.e., law, amounting to a mere user; and use must be in accordance with law and subordinate to the necessities of the State.” – Senate Document No. 43, “Contracts payable in Gold” written in 1933.

      This is a fantastic web site: http://www.barefootsworld.net/admiralty.html

  67. 259 usapatriots-shout November 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    WHAT YOU STATE IS SO, dURUS. tHE PROBLEM IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET RID OF THE CORPORATION AND RETURN TO THE REPUBLIC?

    • 260 Sandy November 16, 2012 at 3:57 pm

      How about this a new idea to reduce or even eliminate the national debt.
      We can refer it as a political bankruptcy ( secession of all 50 states ) Washington DC is temporally removed from any influence over the 50 States. All senators and congress men and women are recalled to there states and must go thru a recall election or replacement. All states restructure internally all programs to fit there needs. All federal debit is canceled and becomes null and void. The Federal Reserve a private corporation is a creditor in the political bankruptcy. The 50 States create a Treasury, lets call it “The 50 United States Treasury” or The United States Treasury for short. The new treasury coins the new money and lets say we call it US Treasury Notes. The new guide lines, concepts, and principles can be found in the Deceleration of Independence signed on July 4 1776, The Constitution ratified by the 13 States on Sept 17, 1787 and The Bill of Rights ratified Dec 15, 1791 After a short period of time the remaining power addicted Rats will become powerless and flee Washington DC like rats on a sinking ship. Leaving the capital city available for pennies on the new US Treasury Notes.
      Well what do you think for a quick off the cuff idea. To tell the truth the idea was motivated by a few people signing a petition of secession 650,000 people to be accurate.
      Sandy

      • 261 Ann November 16, 2012 at 7:39 pm

        Get rid of the District of Columbia (aka the District of Criminals) and all our problems are gone. Can we just cut it out of the map? lol I have no idea how we could do that but I wish it could be done. Somebody with a bigger brain than mine needs to figure out how.

        • 262 drkate November 16, 2012 at 8:48 pm

          I maintain that the act of 1871 established the corporation’s dominion over the 20 square miles of the district. They don’t have authority outside DC!

          • 263 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 8:57 pm

            A defacto government (like we have now) operates with consent of the people. And that is what we have. The election proves that. As long as we play the game the way they set it up we are accepting of it. Its like being molested and never complaining.

          • 264 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 9:28 pm

            Exactly. Therein lies the problem. They say they DO have jurisdiction outside DC. The states also vacated their dejure, Republic, government and incorporated under United States Inc. That’s one way they gotcha.
            But they stayed in the government buildings. Why not? There was no actual government people to fill all those chairs/seats.
            Then the Birth Certificate, Social Security Account, and other adhesion contracts, come into play.
            Add the part about “Residing in a Federal Zone”. Two common designators of a Fed Zone are zip codes and the 2-letter state “abbreviations”. That’s not an abbreviation. I used to think it was. It’s a Fed Zone Designator.

          • 265 heather November 16, 2012 at 9:33 pm

            You are correct — we have gone over this 4 yrs ago right here on your blog–

    • 266 Bildo November 16, 2012 at 8:27 pm

      Right here. Judge for yourself.

      http://www.republicfortheunitedstates.org/

      See for yourself.
      Sandy—THEY went bankrupt in 1933.

  68. 269 typistjan November 16, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Ventura at it again. This is probably what happened to Breitbart

  69. 272 Millertime6 November 16, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Republicans can’t do a thing about voter fraud due to a legal decree:

    http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/

    • 273 jayjay November 16, 2012 at 8:08 pm

      UPDATE (Nov. 16, 2012):
      Since this was published yesterday, we’ve been asking each other: “What can I/we do about this?” Here are my suggestions:

      1. If you are a registered Republican, QUIT! Switch your voter registration ID to non-partisan Independent.(done)

      2. Stop donating money, not even one penny, to the GOP. Tell them why.

      3. Spread the word. Please send the URL of this post (http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/why-the-gop-will-not-do-anything-about-vote-fraud/) to:

      EVERYONE on your email list. (done)
      Media people for whom you have email addresses.
      Tea Party groups you know.
      Post the link on your Facebook page.
      Post the link as your comment on websites and blogs you visit.(done)

  70. 274 aprilnovember811 November 16, 2012 at 8:05 pm

    BREAKING: Allen West wins recount of ALL early votes by St. Lucie County Canvassing Board
    breaking-allen-west-wins-recount-of-all-early-votes-by-st-lucie-county-canvassing-board

  71. 275 jayjay November 16, 2012 at 8:12 pm

    Know what?? I’d like to ask Dr. Vieira about this Consent Decree passed 30 years ago by the Repubs and how valid it is today?
    Aren’t you even curious??

  72. 278 sk1951 November 16, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    I think most people with any education understand that we are deFacto. What most do not understand is that it is by general consensus and acceptance that they remain operating. But then I suppose this is true of any kind of government really. Most simply accept out of fear. Tyranny rules the day as it does here in the ObamaNation now.

  73. 279 parker November 16, 2012 at 10:10 pm

    I saw Reid, Pelosi, and Boehner in a short announcement regarding the “fiscal cliff” today on Fox today.

    They appeared to be speaking from a place of utter fear. Fear of what…LameCherry says that the usurper has now made the transition from Marxist to Leninist.

  74. 280 no-nonsense-nancy November 16, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    This evening I was talking with my son and DIL about the companies which are going out of business and the many more layoffs, etc. They realized it is because of BO being reinstated (re-elected to them) and to Obamacare. They argued with me about the death panels. They even looked it up and my son read off various LSM sites that only stated it would be conseling by heath care providers eveyy 5 years. I said how unreliable factcheck.org is. They don’t believe me when I say Obama was raised marxist and he and his cohorts are communists. They got indignant and insulted when I said they are uninformed and how the LSM spews out propaganda. They are mis-informed. It bothers me that all of my family think I am some kind of right wing nut job. My son told me that I only believe one side. Well, I think I believe what is the truth. They refuse to look anythng up that I ask them to. My son couldn’t conseive that voting machines could be hacked and rigged!


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