The TD Community’s Discussion of the 25th Amendment

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I have been able now to archive all of my posts from TexasDarlin, along with the very excellent comments from the TD community’s discussion of them.  As TD’s readers know, and new readers of this blog will find, the comments are often more important than the article itself, add insight to the articles, and provide extremely useful links and discussion.  It will take some time to transfer these articles to my new blog, but will do so as soon as I can.  Thank you for  your patience.

Posted below are the TD Community’s response to the article “The President’s Disability under the 25th Amendment”, re-posted from TD’s blog this morning at 3 a.m. (sorry, left over from HRC days, lol).

115 Responses to “The President’s Disability Under the 25th Amendment”

The numbers of the response, which I did not have time to edit, are indications of  the ‘nesting’ of comments in reply to others.

  1. Rosemary Woodhouse But you know he will never resign. He’s a narcissistic megalomaniac. And the selection of Biden couldn’t have been better; the man is a moron. Third up is Minnie Cassavettes- I mean, La Pelosi. This is a very well planned chess board. And since the Republicans are rudderless, I don’t know what the answer is. Do you?
    • drkate

    Obviously not! I am searching for every way we can to take OBama out of office in a non-violent fashion. Of course Obama won’t resign—until he is actually faced with a ‘non appealable’ court order to release his documentation.

    Biden IS a moron, and because of Obama’s ineligibility may also be ineligible. If OBama does go down, and is proven ineligible, Pelosi will go down too. Byrd won’t do it, so it would fall to SOS or Defense Secretary Gates.

      • redhank

I think Byrd would do it and be superb…I think he is the King of Pork, but at the end of the day beleives in the Constitution. And for him he would have a legacy, but at the same time not care about the length of term…

        • drkate

Unfortunately he is in and out of the hospital now and in his early 90’s. That is why I guessed he ‘wouldn’t do it’. But who knows?

  1. susan h

Dr. Kate: You are amazing! You should be on the Supreme Court! Thanks so much for again explaining “natural born” citizen as opposed to “naturalized”. No matter which way it is looked at, Obama does not seem to meet the eligibilty requirements to be president. At the least, both parents WERE NOT citizens, and he may not have been born on U.S. soil. Mr. Obama has much explaining to do but seems unwilling to do so. He feels exempt from the need to provide proof that he meets the eligibility requirements. As long as the media, his public relations cheerleaders, continue to hide and cover up for him rather than doing their job which is investigative and responsible journalism, Obama’s secrets will be hidden and America may have a truly illegitimate president sitting in the White House. George Bush was “illegitimate” in that he was appointed by the Supreme Court. Obama is “illegitmate” in that he may not meet the eligibilty requirements of our Constitution. It’s amazing to me that someone who KNEW he was not eligible (he calls himself a constitutional lawyer) went ahead and ran for president anyway, aided and abetted by a DNC who must also have known of this deception and covered it up as well.

    • drkate

Yes, Obama took advantage of Americans’ ‘honor code’ that no one would dare to run for POTUS knowing he is not eligible. This is obviously the height of disrespect for Americans, he mocks our constitution, and plays only for himself.

      • susan h

Children are so innocent. I remember an instance when someone said on television a while back when the 2 Obama girls were present about BO being the first “african american” president. One of the girls so innocently said to her dad: You better be a good one! All I could think of at the time is IF ONLY THEY KNEW what a liar their dad is, how horrible they would feel. Just like O.J. Simpson’s children having to find out he murdered their mother after he lied to them all their lives telling them he didn’t.

Dr. Kate, you are being very optimistic when you comment that BO will be booted and outed. Works for me! But I am not that optimistic.

      • CJ

Axelrod et al from Chicago cesspool of politics, bet the farm on this very fact, that Americans had this innocence about people honoring the Constitution and had a fatcat apathy about voting. They won the bet, illegally/fraudulently, but they still won. Now we have to change the game. The big thing is not only winning the Congress back for the Repubs (who may be a better choice right now because they know that Americans are awake and watching) but making sure amnesty does not get passed before those 2010 elections. This is very essential imo. Keep making your voices heard and beware the dirty, hidden tricks the OB thugs will surely try to play over the next year and a half.

        • tsimitpo

CJ wrote:

“…The big thing is not only winning the Congress back for the Repubs (who may be a better choice right now because they know that Americans are awake and watching)…”

Please help me here. Haven’t both the Republicans and the Democrats already done enough that they aren’t putting the people of America first? Both these parties have clearly demonstrated that once in power they get drunk with it and forget why Americans put them there in the first place. THAT’S the cycle that’s got to be stopped if we have any shot of preserving what little is left of our liberty and being a nation of laws!

          • drkate

Yes….but too late for a third party now. So we hold them to a new standard than party loyalty–the constitution..find a way to get them to agree to actions that will restore our republic, and keep doing this until all of the bozos are replaced with people who understand and follow the constitution. Right now we have to remove the democratic majority, in addition to continuing to pressure obama to release his documentation

            • reps

The term “how does one eat an elephant” applies here…the answer; “one bite at a time”. This is a daunting task ahead which will require serious focus on our parts since apparantly noone in the Republican Party has a freakin’ clue as to what to do or is complicit in this fraudulent takeover! (if so, only heaven can help us)

The effort to change the direction of Congress must be a targeted effort. The CENTRAL focus must be on the Senate. Every two years roughly a third of all Senate seats are up for either re-election of an incumbent or an open general election. To stop/turn around the Marxist policies of Barry Soetoro a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama, we have to get a Senate that can filibuster legislation and judicial appointments so The One’s policies die in the Senate.

We are delusional if we think we can have a Congress that takes up the eligibility issue, unless Barry screws up in a major way and his allies turn on him. The problem with most members of Congress is they are culpable in Barry’s fraudulent scheme as well.

With the growing grassroots anger out there now, if it continues, that may be enough to change the House to a Republican majority. Our participation here, around the internet and with Tea Parties and the 912 Project are critical to keeping this grassroots effort alive!

It would be a monumental task to get a veto-proof Congress but one can only hope, for our country’s sake, this could be 1994 all over again.

If 2010 mirrors 1994, then and only then, will we have a real opportunity to truly mainstream the BS a/k/a BHO eligibility issue. We will remain a fringe movement forever growing at a snails pace until that time.

I just hope and pray we don’t run out of time!

        • Miri

You’re right to mention amnesty. I read an editorial in the Wall Street Journal recently about the census. The writer pointed out that states like Texas and California will gain something like 10 representatives through redistricting after the census, because they are going to count illegal aliens! Other states will LOSE those representatives.

So illegal aliens will have representation at the expense of American citizens who will lose representation!!! (This is unconstitutional and there could be lawsuits filed. I hope the losing states do file suit.)

In 1980, they stopped asking whether a person is a citizen, naturalized or otherwise.

They do ask that on the longer, survey form; but that form has nothing to do with redistricting. Only the “short form” that doesn’t ask about citizenship counts people for the purposes of redistricting.

This is yet another thing that we must demand be changed by Congress, but by now they will say that it’s too late to implement for 2010.

    • drkate

lol being on the supreme court…definitely would be one of those ‘activist’ judges…but this time in favor of the constitution!

I can see the headlines, following Obama’s usurpation:
“First non-lawyer appointed to Supreme Court”…..


But thanks for the compliment anyway!

  1. Quantum Leap

Narcissists have that entitlement thing going on. Biden got a whopping 9.100 votes or so in the primary. Mutt and Jeff are the laughing stock of America.
From what I gathered in the post, the 25th amendment actually gives the accessories to the fact in congress an ‘out’ without repercussions. If so, this is good even though they are guilty as sin but this may help them to feel better about getting rid of the Mutt. Then Biden can pick Hillary as VP and then he can step down making Hillary president. Then Hillary can lose to Sarah in 2012. Works for me.

    • drkate

I agree, its an ‘out’ for them with no repercussions…except they will be remembered at the ballot box in 2010.

If politicians do nothing except for self-preservation, then they might want to try this one. But if it gets to this point, and even if the cabinet follows through, the American people will know the dems lied to them.

As to the scenario, works for me! Palin 2012!

  1. Lisabona

All of them who covered for 0bama, should be hold responsible conform our Constitution. Why SCOTUS, is not doing their job, should they?
BTW, DR. Kate, thank you again for your tireless work. Words can express the gratitude.

  1. oldmediatype

We all know Biden is a gaffemaster. But he’s not a Marxist. I’ll take any run-of-the-mill Democrat over Obambi. Biden’s son is in the military. Biden, for all his warts, is a real American, not an apologist. You wouldn’t see him bowing to the Saudis or High Fiving Chavez. Biden would be a caretaker. The rush to the left would end. I don’t know about you, but I need a breather. Whew!

    • drkate

Agree with your assessment of Biden. And, at least we’d be laughing most of the time instead of being worried to death about our country, families, soldiers, and the future…

      • azgo

Wonderful post, right on drkate !!!
I like that sound – ‘resign’!
When I tell Mr. Obama supporters and even semi-supporters about the eligibility issue, they say, “Then we would have Biden” with a sneer and I say, “Biden could never be a dictator!”

Remember the transient “Ofa Party” of 2009 !!!

Rally for the Republic !!!

  1. InPalinWeTrust


“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” — Benjamin Franklin

BACK TO SCHOOL SPREE: Billionaire, feds give out $175M to aid neediest students around the [NY] state

“It’s free money!”

“Thank God for Obama. He’s looking out for us.”

    • Jo Chgo

That is @#(&@)$(&)$@ unbelievable.

  1. Lisabona has one article about the Lawsuit of Cook vs. 0bama litigation. US District Judge in GA Clay Land, responded he has no longer jurisdiction over the case and recommended to refile in Florida, where the plaintiff and the defendant Simtech, reside. US District Judge Richard A. Lazarra, from the Middle District of FL.,Tampa Division, refused to hear the case. Lazarra denied both motions and put his actual orders, his reasoning, under SEAL. He refuse to show Major Cook, and his attorney(Dr,Taitz) his actual order, and the reason he sealed them – SECRET. Why he did that ?????
  2. Lisabona

PS. It woud be nice, if we could use the 25 AMENDMENT, to all of the incapables. Starting from the President and down.

  1. Leaping Spark

Dr Kate

Obama is in violation of Article II, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution and both he and the Congress are aware of this fact. Unfortunately for us he is the CPUSA poster boy and most of the Democratic party has also sold out to the CPUSA.

According to the CPUSA they have been in control of the Democratic Party since 1948. A Russian friend of mine recently warned me about the terms Socialist and Progressive. He said both of these terms are just softer ways of saying Communist.

He was also lamenting the fact that he left Russia to get away from their form of oppressive government only to see the same thing happening in America. He urges all Americans to wake up before it’s too late, because there is no place left to run.

    • drkate

No disagreement there, LS. Obama is in violation of the entire constitution as far as I am concerned, and all of the members of the Cabinet, Congress know this. They ignored it.

Yes, this take over of America has been happening for a long time…a socialist candidate in 1948 dropped out because he said the democrats would accomplish those objectives. And who do we have in Congress now? All the hippies and 60’s radicals that didn’t finish the job then by physically blowing things up, so now they are just disguised and attacking the economy, our sovereignty, our military, and ordinary Americans…blowing everything up, because they can.

      • Quantum Leap

They belong to the New Democratic Party an offshoot of the USA Communist/Socialist Party. We uncovered this early in the primaries and there is a whole trick to it. They reached their goal of taking over the Dem party and taking it from moderate to radical communism and kicking the actual Dems to the curb. They stole our party and usurped the presidency. They used criminal tactics to steal the win from the opponent, Hillary. Most of those we complain about in congress are really from the New Democratic Communist Party (Mccrapskill)and being incognito as Democrat and not the way a democrat really is. They can’t run on their own party ticket because they will get no where so they heisted the Dem party.

        • drkate

Agreed. I’ve heard some in republican and conservative circles talking about a ‘hostile takeover of the republican party’. That could be an option for the dems, but, we could also just let if fall under its own hubris and exposure right now.

    • Lisabona

I continue to say the same thing, again and again. I’m scared of what is ahead, because as the Russian friend, I lived and know wery well that inferno.

  1. MissTickly

This is just an excellent piece, Dr. Kate!

  1. oldmediatype

Clearly Obama knows he’s not eligible. And he’s not alone. His inner circle must know. A couple of years ago, as I’m sure you’re aware, one of Obama’s cronies in a Chicago law firm wrote an article about how the NBC requirement was out of date in these days and times. Sen. McCaskill’s ploy last year, supposedly to assist McCain, was another maneuver to cover up Obama’s ineligibility. And as those who are following the issue know, like the readers here, his very admission on his website last year that at birth he was governed by his father’s status as a British subject, is another indicator. To me, the single clearest point was made by Obama himself. On that website he described himself as a “native-born” citizen. He knows for a fact that such a status makes him ineligible. His whole life is a coverup.

    • texasdarlin

Excellent comment.

    • drkate

Exactly, amen.

    • Justasinger

    • jbjd

That’s one of the inconsistencies I pointed out last year in the model military Complaint. In December 2007, he signed that statement to the SoS of AZ to get onto the AZ primary ballot, swearing he was a NBC. Then, in June 2008, on FTS, he said that photocopied COLB proves he is a “native citizen.” Naturally, Plaintiffs are confused.

      • drkate

I remember that, and it really has been right in front of our eyes.

Only one case to my knowledge has asked the court to take notice of this–Kerchner.

  1. perception of truth

FYI- I live in North Dakota and have been getting 2-3 phone calls a day. The automated message says, “Please stay on the line so we can record your YES vote to obama’s health care plan”

The company that is doing this telemarketing scam doesn’t even allow you the opportunity to say no to this plan. Once you answer the phone, it is automatically recorded as a yes vote.

Thought I would pass the information on. This will be the number excuse (polls) that congress uses to pass this garbage.


If you have caller id and are getting a number, contact the FCC or whoever you would call and report them for harassment. 2-3 calls a day of a phone call that you don’t want would be exactly that.

  1. OldMediaType

About your post, Drkate, wow. Terrific insight. I’m intensely following the eligiblity issue and I’m certain that no one else has brought up the possible use of the 25th amendment. So congratulations. Obama, I am afraid, will never resign. While Nixon was a crook, in the end he was a patriot and did the right thing. Barry Goldwater and other Congressional leaders went to the White House and had their “come to Jesus moment” with Nixon. Can you imagine Pelosi and Reid doing the same with Obama? I can’t. But if irrefutable proof becomes public, perhaps Shinseki, a former military man, could lead the argument among cabinet members. Certainly Biden would agree but stay in the background as would Hillary (for appearances sake) and Gates, a Republican holdover. With a stock market crash, Geithner’s hand would be forced. I’m up to 5 votes. Need a few more. Any thoughts?

    • drkate

Let’s see..

Gary Locke persuadable
Ken Salazar persuadable
Eric Holder no
Selibus no
homeland no

References cite ‘the majority of the cabinet’….maybe 3 from the above list, which added to your 5 would be 8 = majority?

not holding my breath!

      • perception of truth

Don’t count on Gary Locke, he was our governor when I lived in WA state. He absolutely hates this country and will and has done all in his power to see it destabilized.

        • Quantum Leap

Wasn’t he in trouble a while back? Something about an indictment for corruption? He left WA and went to OR after that? People are still watching him.

      • oldmediatype

The White House lists 15 cabinet officers plus Biden. Looks like you’d need 9 votes to say goodbye to Bambi. (FYI, the WH lists a half dozen positions — those not in the line of succession — as having cabinet level status. Let’s hope they’re not in on the vote because one of the is Emanuel.)

Adding to the possible list:
Sec of Transportation, former Republican congressman from Illinois.

Sec of Energy. Don’t know his politics. But he’s a Nobel price winning scientist. Presumably very analytical inspite of getting his Ph.D at the lefty haven in Berkeley.

Sec of Agriculture Tom Vilsack. Hillary supporter, named
national co-chair for her campaign according to bio.

  1. Lisabona

IS OUR GOVERNMENT BEING BALKMAILED???? COTE:” My hypothesis is that our Govrnment must be operating under an extremely serious threat of mass public destruction of harm by an undisclosed enemy. There is no other rational way to explain the past months of blanket passive indiference and flignd ignorance by Judges, Congress, opposing party officials, news media, etc. with respect to who 0bama really is.” end cote. iontheball, freerepublic,com.(new cote) ” It is impossible for someone to have spent their whole life surronded by communists and terrorists as Barry has without actually being terrorists himself. That’s common sense. Only an Obot with a single digit IQ coul possiblle deny that… LWEpatriot- from

    • Trudy

I agree, someone is holding something over these peoples head.I just can’t believe that all of them are that stupid.

    • CA Patriot

I am not so sure about the blackmail angle. Barry is indeed an evil one, and his agenda is clear to many of us. If he creates chaos and brings down our country, he wins. If he causes us to take to the streets and then he violently puts down the uprising, he wins. At this point, anything he does he wins. Except…………

Someone in a responsible government position has to take the lead. There are many great people that come to mind but none are currently in that type of role. I am thinking along the lines of a type line Conde Rice, Col. Allen West, Rush Limbaugh (just kidding).

There just has to be someone that will get past the self-serving thought process that says “not me, I don’t want to rock the boat.” That will get one only so far, but when the dam breaks, and I believe it will very soon, all of these people who deny and refuse the responsibility to uphold their oath to this country and our constitution will be held to answer.

And there will be many sorry people who did not then and do not now realize just what they have done.

So we all must be ready. Act responsibly. Work together. Do not rush out in anger and “even the score.” Have faith in your good fellow American citizens. And trust God to get us through these turbulent times.

  1. JT

I don’t see how we can get rid of Obama unless we also get rid of Nancy Pelosi. I believe it is lawyers hired by Nancy Pelosi who are putting together all of this abominable legisation. She is the power pushing forward Obama’s agenda. Even if Obama is removed and Biden becomes president, Nancy Pelosi will still be pushing through the same bills. I believe she will be easier to remove from power and BO will be weakened if she is not there to push forward his agenda. If she is out of the way, it will be much easier to get our representatives and senators to pay attention to the eligibility issue. First, I believe all of us should write our members of congress to protest her being in the position of Speaker of the House. We need to let them know that we do not support the agenda that NP and BO are putting forward. Secondly, we need to send money to support whoever is willing to run against her next year. We have to get rid of her as well as BO.

    • drkate

Agreed Pelosi is a linchpin…but will be tainted if the 25th is invoked because she lied to the American people. To save their own skins the dems will replace her.

I think also Reid, Frank, Dodd, Specter, and a few others are essential to vote out of office.

    • Quantum Leap


  1. OldMediaType

If Obama goes down, all of his strongest supporters lose significant clout. Confidence in government will reach an all time low. Biden will be a caretaker. Pelosi, who pushed Obama to the front of the line past Hillary, will be disgraced. If she were to win re-election, the Dems would probably lose the House. So she could say goodbye to her speakership. But if Obama gets kicked out, the democratic caucus may also immediately revolt against her (to save their own skin) and kick her out of the speakership. In the meantime, The Blue Dogs would be able to vote their conservative constituents’ preference. Say goodbye to Obamascare, Cap and Tax and the rest of the Marxist agenda. I can hope, can I?

  1. OldMediaType

Oops. ” I can hope, can’t I.

  1. Leaping Spark

My Russian friend also warned me about their methodology of using a perceived crisis after crisis to achieve their goals.

The only remaining obstacle I see in Obama’s path to his dream of a Communistic dictatorship is the 2nd Amendment. I’m sure Obama and his minions will create and orchestrate some kind of a crisis that will allow him to take control of the guns.

Hitler once boasted about the historical significance of Germany registering all the guns, and then knowing where to find them, he took them away from the German people, and we all know the rest of that story.

Unfortunately, “We the People” have no recourse against an illegal President and our Congress has become his lap dogs. If Obama truly cared about our Constituion and our country he would do the honorable thing and resign, but as we have seen he is without ethics, without honor, and he lies effortlessly when addressing the American people.

Perhaps in 2010 if ACORN doesn’t steal all of the elections, and if enough Patriots true to the Constitution (Democrats, Republicans, or Independents) can get into Congress, maybe they will have the intestinal fortitude to impeach the Usurper.


  1. d2i

One of my favorite sayings is this –

All truth passes through 3 stages.
“First, it is ridiculed.”
“Second, it is violently opposed.”
“Third is accepted as being self-evident”

Dr. Kate, fabulous post as usual. And like you, I remain optimistic that his truth will be revealed and will become self-evident to those who ridicule and oppose what is staring them in the face. The day of reckoning is getting closer and I pray “We the People” remain civil and respectful toward one another b/c the sole responsibility for this lie remains with 0, his inner circle and the leadership of the DNC.

Voters were marketed a brand not a fallible human being with lots of skeletons in his closet. His dishonesty will catch up with him and it will be the very thing that will ruin him. Like a poster stated up thread, I pray for his girls, they didn’t ask for any of this either.

  1. tsimitpo

I really hope I’m way wrong, but I’ve become convinced that Obama is nothing more than a very carefully chosen puppet.

What is the background of the people he’s appointed as Tsars and cabinet positions? Do any of them have real feet-on-the-ground business experience, or are the vast majority of them products of Wall Street?

What happened to a huge portion of TARP funds? Didn’t a third of it end up in foreign banks?

Why is most of the “Stimulus Package” still undistributed when the “urgent” need was touted as such an emergency?

Why is the private Fed immune from scrutiny by the American people and even congress?

Why has the World Health Organization already declared the swine flu as a level 6 pandemic, recommending mandatory vaccinations? I hope it’s just to put money in the pockets of the few companies manufacturing the vaccine, but it could be much more. All kinds of nefarious scenarios can come out of this seemingly innocent manipulation. Is it impossible for some of these vaccines to be contaminated with something that requires a very costly antidote? Or is it only softening up our defenses to not being told what to do? Do any of you actually trust any of these people anymore?

Why is “health care reform” being rammed down our throats with no serious public discussion? Isn’t there a big difference between giving the needy food stamps and grabbing control over the entire food supply and distribution channels? Why can’t we take a more measured approach when it comes to helping people get health care?

There are numerous things on a steady path to dire consequences that I’m very concerned that the Natural Born Citizen issue may have been intentionally left out there as a distraction from a much more serious issue – our sovereignty as a nation, what’s becoming of what used to be a strong middle-class, and ultimately, our liberty.

Like I said, I really hope I’m wrong. But if I’m not, it seems we’re really late in the game to stop it.

  1. texasdarlin

OT, an excellent opinion piece by north star writers:

Health Care: The True Obama, Pelosi and GOP Revealed

    • tsimitpo

Thanks for the link to that well-expressed opinion piece.

This “escalation” that embodies Chicago politics is what has me very concerned as an American. The one liberty I see us fighting to the death to defend is the freedom to speak our minds. That’s a liberty Obama and Co. have just demonstrated that they won’t tolerate.

Something’s going to give, and I pray it will be without bloodshed.

    • Tony Stark

Here’s Sarah Palin’s response to BO on “Death Panels.”

  1. Kay

If you think that President Obama and the Congress has our best interests at heart while they are not subject to this health care plan (they already have the best plan and we pay for that too), check the analysis of the plan below and ask your congressman or senator and the President why this plan is so good for us but not for them! I want a plan that is good enough for the President, Senators, Congressmen, and all other governmental officials if it is GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME AND MY FAMILY!!!!BELOW IS THE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THE 1000 PAGE HEALTH CARE PLAN BY MAT STAVER, DEAN OF LIBERTY UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF LAW: Obama Health Care Plan Details HR 3200 currently under consideration in the House of Representatives *HC = “Health Care” Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Government will audit the books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!! Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC Bill – YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!! Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC Bill – THERE WILL BE A GOVERNMENT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get Pg 42 of HC Bill – The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you. You have no choice! Pg 50 Section 152 in HC Bill – HC will be provided to ALL non-U.S. citizens, illegal or otherwise Pg 58 HC Bill – Government will have real-time access to individual’s finances and a National ID Health Care Card will be issued! Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Government will have direct access to your banks accounts for electronic funds transfer. Pg 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions and community organizations (ACORN). Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Government is creating a Health Care Exchange to bring private health care plans under government control. Pg 84 Sec 203 HC Bill – Government mandates ALL benefit packages for private health care plans in the Exchange Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The government will ration your health care! Pg 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill – Government mandates linguistic appropriate services. Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The government will use groups i.e., ACORN & AmeriCorps to sign up individuals for government Health Care Plan Pg 85 Line 7 HC Bill – Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members – Your health care WILL be rationed Pg 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill – Medicaid Eligible Individual will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice. Pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue the government on price fixing. No “judicial review” against this government monopoly. Pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill – Doctors/ #AMA – The government will tell YOU what you can make. Pg 145 Line 15-17 An employer MUST auto enroll employees into public option plan. NO CHOICE Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for health care for part-time employees AND their families. Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Employer w/ payroll 400k and above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll Pg 150 Lines 9-13 Businesses with payroll between 251k and 400k who do not provide public opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care according to government will be taxed 2.5% of income. Pg 170 Lines 1-3 Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay). Pg 195 Officers & employees of HC Administration (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans’ financial and personal records. Pg 203 Line 14-15 HC – “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it says that. Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Government will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected. Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill – Doctors, it does not matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same. Pg 253 Line 10-18 Government sets value of doctors’ time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans. Pg 265 Sec 1131Government mandates and controls productivity for private health care industries. Pg 268 Sec 1141 Federal Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs. Pg 272 SEC. 1145. Treatment of certain cancer hospitals – Cancer patients – welcome to rationing! Page 280 Sec 1151 The government will penalize hospitals for what government deems preventable readmissions. (Incentives for hospital to not treat and release.) Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Doctors that treat a patient during initial admission that results in a readmission-Government will penalize you. Pg 317 L 13-20 PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Government tells Doctors what/how much they can own. Pg 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Government is mandating hospitals cannot expand. pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception, BUT community input required. Can you say ACORN?!! Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 – Government mandates establishment of outcome based measures. Health Care the way they want. Rationing. Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans (Part B), HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Government plan. Pg 354 Sec 1177 – Government will RESTRICT enrollment of special needs people! Pg 379 Sec 1191 Government creates more bureaucracy – Tele-health Advisory Committee. Health care by phone/Internet? Pg 425 Lines 4-12 Government mandates Advance [Death] Care Planning Consultion. Think Senior Citizens end of life. Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory! Pg 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Government provides approved list of end of life resources, guiding you in death. Pg 427 Lines 15-24 Government mandates program for orders for end of life. The government has a say in how your life ends. Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An “advanced care planning consult” will be used frequently as patient’s health deteriorates. Pg 429 Lines 10-12 ” advanced care consultation” may include an ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from Government. Pg 429 Lines 13-25 – The government will specify which doctors can write an end of life order. PG 430 Lines 11-15 The government will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life. Pg 469 – Community Based Home Medical Services=Non-profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Services here!!? Pg 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN? Pg 489 Sec 1308 The government will cover Marriage and Family therapy. They will insert government into your marriage. Pg 494-498 Government will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, rationing those services. PG 502 Sec 1181 Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research Established. – Hello Big Brother – Literally. Pg 503 Lines 13-19 Government will build registries and data networks from YOUR electronic medical records. Pg 503 lines 21-25 Government may secure data directly from any department or agency of the U.S. who have any of your data. Pg 504 Lines 6-10 The “Center” will collect data both published and unpublished (that means public and your private info). PG 506 Lines 19-21 The Center will recommend policies that would allow for public access of data. PG 518 Lines 21-25 The Commission will have input from Health Care consumer reps – Can you say unions and ACORN? PG 524 18-22 Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund set up. More taxes for ALL. PG 621 Lines 20-25 Government will define what quality means in health care. Since when does government know about quality? Pg 622 Lines 2-9 To pay for the Quality Standards, government will transfer money from other government Trust Funds. More Taxes. PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to assess outcomes and functional status of patients. PG 624 “Quality” measures shall be designed to profile you including race, age, gender, place of residence, etc. Pg 628 Sec 1443 Government will give “Multi-Stake Holders” Pre-Rule Making input into Selection of “Quality” Measures. Pg 630 9-24/631 1-9 Those multi-stake holder groups include unions and groups like ACORN deciding health care quality. Pg 632 Lines 14-25 The Government may implement any “Quality measure” of health care services as they see fit. PG 633 14-25/ 634 1-9 The Secretary may issue non-endorsed “Quality Measures” for Physician Services and Dialysis Services. Pg 635 to 653 Physicians Payments Sunshine Provision – Government wants to shine sunlight on doctor but not government. Pg 654-659 Public Reporting on Health Care-Associated Infections – Looks okay. PG 660-671 Doctors in Residency – Government will tell you where your residency will be, thus where you’ll live. Pg 676-686 Government will regulate hospitals in EVERY aspect of residency programs, including teaching hospitals. Pg 686-700 Increased Funding to Fight Waste, Fraud, and Abuse. Do they mean like the government with an $18 million website? PGs 701-704 Sec 1619 If your part of health care plan isn’t in Government Health Care Exchange but you qualify for Federal aid, no payment. PG 705-709 SEC. 1128 If Secretary gets complaints (ACORN) on health care provider or supplier, government can do background check. PG 711 Lines 8-14 The Secretary has broad powers to deny health care providers/ suppliers admittance into Health Care Exchange. Your doctor could be thrown out of business. Pg 719-720 Sec 1637 ANY Doctor who orders durable medical equipment or home medical services MUST be enrolled in Medicare. PG 722 Sec 1639 Government MANDATES doctors must have face-to-face with patient to certify patient for Home Health Services. PG 724 23-25 PG 725 1-5 The same government certifications will apply to Medicaid and CHIP (your kids). PG 724 Lines 16-22 Government reserves right to apply face-to-face certification for patient to ANY other health care service. Pg 735 lines 16-25 For law enforcement, proposes the Secretary-HHS will give Attorney General access to ALL data. PG 740-757 Government sets guidelines for subsidizing the uninsured (That’s your tax dollars people). Pg 757-762 Federal Government will shift burden of payments to Disproportionate Share Hospitals (DSH) to States. (Taxes) Pg 763 1-8 No DS/EA hospitals will be paid unless they provide services without regard to national origin. Pg 765 Sec 1711 Government will require Preventative Services including vaccines. (Choice?) Pg 768 Sec 1713 Government – Nurse Home Visitation Services (Hello union paybacks). Pg 769 11-14 Nurse Home Visit Services include economic self-sufficiency, employ adv, school-readiness. Pg 769 3-5 Nurse Home Visit Services – “increasing birth intervals between pregnancies.” Government ABORTIONS anyone? Pg 770 SEC 1714 Federal Government mandates eligibility for State Family Planning Services. Abortion and State Sovereignty. Pg 789-797 Government will set, mandate drug prices, controlling which drugs brought to market. Bye innovation. Pgs 797-800 SEC. 1744 PAYMENTS for graduate medical education. The government will now control doctors’ educations. PG 801 Sec 1751 The government will decide which health care conditions will be paid. Can you say RATION! Pg 810 SEC. 1759. Billing Agents, clearinghouses, etc. req. to register. Government takes over private payment system. Pg 820-824 Sec 1801 Government will identify individuals ineligible for subsidies. Will access all personal financial information. Pg 824-829 SEC. 1802. Government sets up Comparative Effectiveness Research Trust Fund. Another tax black hole. PG 829-833 Government will impose a fee on ALL private health insurance plans including self-insured to pay for Trust Fund! PG 835 11-13 fees imposed by government for Trust Fund shall be treated as if they were taxes. Pg 838-840 Government will design and implement Home Visitation Program for families with young kids and families expecting kids. PG 844-845 This Home Visitation Program includes government coming into your house and telling you how to parent!!! Pg 859 Government will establish a Public Health Fund at a cost of $88,800,000,000. Yes that’s billion. Pg 865 The government will MANDATE the establishment of a National Health Service Corps. PG 865 to 876 The NHS Corps is a program where doctors perform mandatory health care for two years for part loan repayment. PG 876-892 The government takes over the education of our medical students and doctors. PG 898 The government will establish a Public Health Workforce Corps to ensure supply of public health prof. PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of civilian employees of the U.S. as Secretary deems. PG 898 The Public Health Workforce Corps shall consist of officers of Regular and Reserve Corps of Service. PG 900 The Public Health Workforce Corps includes veterinarians. PG 901 The Public Health Workforce Corps WILL include commissioned Regular and Reserve Officers. HC Draft? PG 910 The government will develop, build, and run Public Health Training Centers. PG 913-914 Government starts a health care affirmative action program thru guise of diversity scholarships. PG 915 SEC. 2251. Government MANDDATES Cultural and linguistic competency training for health care professionals. Pg 932 The Government will establish Preventative and Wellness Trust fund- initial cost of $30,800,000,000 billion. PG 935 21-22 Government will identify specific goals & objectives for prevention & wellness activities. That means controlling YOU!! PG 936 Government will develop “Healthy People and National Public Health Performance Standards” Tell me what to eat? PG 942 Lines 22-25 More government? Offices of Surgeon General -Public Health Svc, Minority Health, Women’s Health PG 950- 980 BIG GOVERNMENT core pub health infrastructure including workforce capacity, lab systems, health info sys, etc. PG 993 Government will establish school based health clinics. Your kids won’t have a chance. PG 994 School Based Health Clinic will be integrated into the school environment. Say government brainwash! PG 1001 The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. Will you be tracked? Mathew D. Staver* Founder and Chairman Dean and Professor of LawLiberty Counsel Liberty University School of Law

  1. Jo Chgo

Another thoughtful, well-reasoned post, Dr. Kate.

It is unfortunate for us, however, that the vast majority of those in elected office or in appointed positions (e.g. the Cabinet) quite literally, in my view, are completely ignorant of what is happening right in front of them.

Most of them are all so concerned with ME 24/7 that they really haven’t bothered to look beyond their own circumstances. La Pelosi (love that!) and Reid ( and Biden) probably do actually know that POTUS is ineligible. They probably found out after the train left the station, and their lust for power overcame their consciences. The rest of them probably view it as too impossible to seriously consider, and so they blow it off.

Joe Biden may be the key to this. He seems to have a propensity to run off his mouth. It may be Biden himself, in another inopportune moment of candor and characteristic glibness, who spills the beans in an off the record conversation. Let’s hope that it is a patriot who hears him, and then acts accordingly.

    • emcrouchon

The Congressman from American Samoa, Eni Faleomavaega (D), went to Indonesia July, 2007, to bribe officials or outright purchase official records, documents, and photographs of Barry Soetoro/Barack Obama and his family. The coverup began before then, as the plethora of missing documents indicates.

I disagree with the statement, “…La Pelosi (love that!) and Reid ( and Biden) probably do actually know that POTUS is ineligible. They probably found out after the train left the station,…”. I think they’ve known since at least 2006. Why do I say that?

Because it takes time to plan a government takeover and get everyone and everything lined up.

      • jo chgo

Yes, there are those theories out there, but I tend to disagree with that thinking.

Back in Iowa, at the caucuses, he didn’t seem to have a chance. No one paid much attention to him as they didn’t think he would amount to a hill of beans.

You give the Democrat party way too much credit if you think they were all in on this and played their parts to this end. There may have been a conspiracy all right, but these Keystone Cops weren’t in on it.

    • drkate

thanks jochgo. The ignorance is stunning, and the ME ME ME has taken over. I hope biden slips up, but look what happened to Richardson when he spilled the information that OBama is an immigrant…

  1. GORDO

This is Ed Rendell:

“The birthers are a perfect slice of these people who have lost their rationality and they have become obsessed with certain things, and that obsession is hurting the democratic process, ..

The birthers are absolutely nuts,” he said. “They won’t believe the clear and credible evidence that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

… the American majority, don’t want any part of people who are destructive and want to destroy this country for their own reasons,” he said.”


Believe THEY are getting a bit nervous. Too many “obsessed” people – more each day!

    • drkate

Well there goes my support for Ed Rendell! (also, more dashed hopes that anyone will do anything!)

      • jbjd

drkate, one of the saddest disappointments in the campaign was Governor Rendell. I cannot say on how many hours I spend posting on media sites in response to slings and arrows lobbed against him by supporters of BO, when he supported HRC. Even after he finally went over to BO, I did not desert him. But then, about a week before the Convention, on FOX news, he said something like, ‘There’s no such thing as pledged delegates; the DNC rules say use your best conscience.’ But I had already done the research, and knew there were about 13 vote binding states, meaning, pledged delegates had to follow their candidate into the Convention, according to state law. It was clear to me then, he was part of the vote-rigging for BO. I was sad to come to that realization.

    • Tony Stark

Rendell is just another loyal Party member who does what he’s told.

  1. Rosemary Woodhouse

I’m certain this was posted on this blog a long time ago. This was the first source I found when I searched for the video

  1. itooktheredpill

There are many people who think that Section 1 of the 14th Amendment makes Obama eligible to be President.

Do those people ever look at Section 3 of the 14th Amendment?

A case could be made that Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn are domestic enemies of the Constitution, and that Obama, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, to support the Constitution of the United States, gave aid and comfort to Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.

That creates a disability that prevents Obama from holding any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, unless Congress, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, removes such disability.

    • drkate

Excellent point. Clinton pardoned 4 weather underground members at the end of his term… but that isn’t the same as Congress removing that ‘disability’.

    • jbjd

Did you know that he put the 14th Amendment on (one of the interations of) his FTS web site, at some point? Yep; to support his earlier statement that the COLB proved he was a “native citizen.”

      • drkate

Yes, didn’t he actually say something like ” I am a native born citizen under the 14th Amendment”???

right. in. front. of. us.

Great find, jbjd!!!

I just left a comment for Leo with this info and a link to your post.

          • drkate

Excellent, Excellent work, jbjd. You have been a consistent source of excellent work, analysis and finds like this one.

      • reps

And the judicial branch is covering for Barry as Federal District Judge Richard Lazzarra dismissed the most recent filing for Major Stefan Cook calling Soetoro/Obama a “native-born citizen”.

  1. Rosemary Woodhouse

Proves the adage: Those who fail to plan, plan to fail. The disgruntled certainly planned well. And to think it only took them 40 years to entirely takeover the greatest nation to ever exist.

  1. Ga.Peach

Fantastic, drkate !! You are a GGGRRREATT patriot. The only problem I see is Biden being Pres. We really would be the laughing stock of the world then…he is such a buffoon. And Pelousy…NO, no way! And to my disappointment, again, Hillary has made another statement that troubles me as to her ever being Pres. In Kenya, she says, ‘it is a “great regret” that the US is not a member of the International Criminal Court.’ Saw this at

I say allow McCain/Palin to take over office and in 2012……Palin/Bauchmann. It will take a woman (actually two) to straighten out this mess !!!

Thanks again drkate and TD. God bless you both.

McCain is not a natural born Citizen, either. He was not born in a hospital on a U.S. military base. The Coco Solo hospital was not built until several years after McCain was born. McCain released his birth certificate, and showed that he was born at Colon Hospital, in the city of Colon, Panama.

He is a Citizen, but not a natural born Citizen.

      • Ga.Peach

You’re right handsome, brief lapse of memory on that; but I still believe that no matter some of his bad decisions while in the Senate, if it weren’t for the NBC issue….there is no one more deserving of the Presidency than this man. He has served his country in ways that none of us could ever imagine and has stood his ground on earmarks and many other crucial votes for many years. Memory lapse/wishful thinking!

      • Quantum Leap

He was born on a military base and military bases are US soil no matter where they are. It’s been a given for decades. He had 2 US citizens in the military for parents so that seals the deal.

        • jbjd

John McCain can never be a NBC.

          • InPalinWeTrust


This part of the article stuck out to me. Why does it seem that Obama’s name always popped up where McCain’s eligibilty was concerned???

“In March, Laurence H. Tribe, a law professor at Harvard and an adviser to Senator Barack Obama, prepared a memorandum on these questions with Theodore B. Olson, a former solicitor general in the Bush administration. The memorandum concluded that Mr. McCain is a natural-born citizen based on the place of his birth, the citizenship of his parents and their service to the country.”

        • bho boo

He couldn’t have been, it was not built til he was 5.

        • emcrouchon

The hospital in Colon, Republic of Panama, is a public hospital.

McCain’s Birth Certificate

emcrouchon is correct. Colon Hospital, in Colon, Republic of Panama, is a public hospital, not a hospital on a U.S. military base (that was Coco Solo Hospital, built several years after McCain was born).

        • drkate

no he was not born on a military base. If he was he’d be eligible, but he was not.

imho, this was a set up from the beginning–put in McCain so the eligibility issue could never be addressed–because they both were ineligible.

          • texasdarlin

I don’t buy that theory, which would mean that the GOP primaries were somehow rigged.

            • drkate

How then did McCain, who finished 4th in Iowa, suddenly vault to the top?Why did he never raise the eligibility issue? Why did he basically collapse his campaign? Why was there no support for Palin’s positions?

No, I think McCain was part and parcel of this.

              • texasdarlin

Well, again, that means a widespread conspiracy to throw the primary elections. I watched McCain come from behind, and it seemed like an organic process to me. I just don’t get exactly what is being charged here….Do you think the GOP actually rigged primary election results to generate a McCain win?

                • tsimitpo

Not just the GOP, but the mainstream media, and where all the money was going.

The mainstream media basically exercised a hands-off approach to McCain while they stirred up the water of every other candidate. McCain rose primarily by the attrition of all the other candidates.

It was a brilliant play by the power-brokers regarding that side of the ticket.

                • drkate

the media, basically at the urging of who knows who. But McCain was the reason 18 million republicans stayed home and did not vote….thus dashing any effort of the anti-obama democrats who voted republican.

Yes, I will go out on a limb and say this was planned!

I’m out on the limb with you!

McCain a Choice? More Like an Echo

…and drill down through all of the links.

I’ve written quite a bit about this…

  • Miri

Me, 2, drkate.

                  • Miri

drkate: can ya start a blog so we TD orphans have somewhere to go while she’s on hiatus?

            • InPalinWeTrust

I believe everyone thought he was eligible during the primaries. But then it was discovered once the court case was thrown out and McCain released his BC anyway.

Wasn’t it Leo who then actually called McCain out on his eligibility in his lawsuit because his BC clearly showed a hospital that was not on a military base?

Furthermore, S. Res 511 brought suspicion…why pass a resolution when he already was supposed to be natural born? This being pushed by Democrats made it even MORE odd.

I also remember two other things…the MSM always liked McCain and was very positive reporting on him…just like they were with Hillary before they pulled the rug out from under her. I also remember hearing that Democrats were being told to switch to Republican so they could vote for McCain in the GOP primary.

I do not believe there was GOP rigging for McCain. Maybe a cover-up after the fact, which explains why Repubs wouldn’t call Obama out on his eligibility.

I can’t say for sure that the ObamaAxelrodSoros team pushed McCain through, but I heard rumors at the time. If they did what they did to Hillary there certainly was a master plan…and it could have included McCain.

          • reps

IMO, McCain was for lack of a better term, a “useful idiot”. His campaign was on life support going into New Hampshire and Iowa. There was much D to R crossover in the primary/caucus voting specifically for McCain which resurrected his campaign.

The DNC and the MSM colluded to position McCain as the Republican nominee. I don’t think McCain was part of the scheming. His choice of Sarah Palin as his running mate was evidence of that…he wanted to win and knew she would inject a whole new dimension to the campaign because she would deliver the conservative and fundamentalist Christian side of the Republican party.

McCain couldn’t deliver those two factions of the Republican Party by himself if his life depended on it!

            • InPalinWeTrust

“There was much D to R crossover in the primary/caucus voting specifically for McCain which resurrected his campaign. The DNC and the MSM colluded to position McCain as the Republican nominee.”

Yes, this is what I remember hearing…rumors about this were circulating att the time. The MSM and Dems were so positive about McCain too…well, until he was officially the O-opposition.

    • Tony Stark

McCain is a US citizen by blood under the principle of jus sanguinis since he was born to two US citizens and inherited his citizenship, but because he wasn’t born on US soil, he is not a natural born citizen. Obama, if he was born in Hawaii, is a US citizen by virtue of jus solis. To be a natural born citizen, you have to be a citizen both by jus sanguinis and jus solis; both parents must also be US citizens at the time of your birth to prevent any chance of inheriting a foreign citizenship.

  1. kilpatrick

This is my first post, but I’ve been enjoying this forum for months!

OT, but I wanted to share this. Congressman Gene Green from Texas requires a photo ID for folks to attend his town-hall meetings. The irony? He voted AGAINST requiring voters to show their IDs in federal elections.

    • drkate


Wow, that is pretty amazing. I hope his hypocrisy haunts him very loudly wherever he goes!

  1. Fernley Girl

O/T. Has anyone been in contact with BFAC?

    • drkate

I haven’t.


  1. Lisabona

I think everyting is started as pay-back, when Kerry introdused 0bama at a Dem Convention. That was the day when Soros & Co. choose the path of their vengence. What will bring the ” WAKING AND SLEEPING GIANT”, it’s hard to predict.

  1. Ga.Peach

jbjd, drkate: What are your thoughts on how a judge can seal his orders and not let the attorney or plaintiff know the reasons for decision?? (orly taitz case) Have you ever heard of this happening before??

    • drkate

I haven’t heard about that, and don’t know….jbjd could probably answer.

  1. Miri

How about this for astroturfing:

FAKE doctor at Sheila Jackson Lee’s townhall. Sheila, who’s too busy answering her cell phone to listen to her constituents’ concerns.

And Claire McCaskill can somehow keep a straight face when she complains about “rudeness” and “lack of respect?”

btw, where was Claire when her buds trashed Sarah Palin and her children? Or GWB? Or interrupted the State of the Union address? Or threw pies in the faces of conservative speakers?

How’s that for rudeness and lack of respect?

  1. dkw

Here’s a good link to BHO’s mental issue’s…

  1. Sharon


If Rendell is involved, then we know a good reason for his actions. He also hasn’t been able to get a budget passed and is not a popular governor at this point.

    • bho boo

jbjd: When I spoke to Jay Inslee’s phone represenative about Barack’s admission that he was born with British citizenship, he said “well I’m sure Bush did unconstitutional things too”…
I was surprised at the lack of any fight! I guess it’s fine with them that the constitution is used toilet paper.

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  1. No-nonsense Nancy

Thanks, DKW, that is great article. It took me a while to read it. I saved it nd will pass it on. I have read a similar one about how he uses conversational hypnosis to get the sheeple to follow him.

  1. Michelle drkate-”The more we show them that we know the Constitution, and that the 25th Amendment would be a non-violent, constitutional mechanism to resolve this issue of Obama’s loyalty, the more we are empowered with the facts and a solution.”
    This among other legal remedies is very very good. It is non-violent and it gives everyone concerned the ability to save face. Sometimes I wonder if everyone saw different forgeries, as opposed to the ones that we have seen. Obama is in free fall with his numbers and in a very short time. I am a Democrat (who did not vote for him). I think all the caring Democrats should be supporting the Constitution all the way, lest Obama take down the Democratic party with him. As a Democrat I find their absolute abuse of power inflicted on WE THE PEOPLE-horrendous. This country was born in dissent. Rebels to King get out. Obama has shoved so much, so fast down the peoples throats they are choking on it-they don’t trust the Democrats anymore one of the reasons is the bailouts and that little thing called bonuses paid to people who bankrupted the companies, while they are jobless, homeless etc. Very bad governance and does not instill faith in any government entity or spokesperson.
  1. Michelle

drkate-One of my girlfriends who has the TV on at work all day long was able to watch everything in the last election cycle, most of us don’t have that luxury. She is a Republican, I’m a Democrat-she was planning on voting for Hillary-I did in Florida you could write Hillary in as a protest vote. We were talking about the election, this was her take on it—Nancy Pelosi wanted to be the first woman president, so she had to get Hillary out of the way. Due to the many identies, foreign passports, aliases, birth places that are under the Obama, Soetoro, Dunham banner. Now they are saying Obama was with the CIA??, that they would have the means to produce all these forgeries, and web-site scribblings. Is it possible Nancy Pelosi a wealthy woman had the means and government access could do the same. My girlfriend could not stand NP and thought she was a very devious person and quite capable of eliminating Hillary by fair means and fowl. Is it possible she invented this plan to put Obama in the White House, have the means to get him out of office and proceed to get herself in as President. My girlfriend insists that was what is going on behind the scenes. I did not see the same things that she did but my girlfriend is a very astute judge of character or lack of it. Due to all the insanity I’m seeing I think that anything is possible.

  1. Joe The Blogger

How about this for a question (in 3 parts)? We just need one person to get through.

If we can just get people to call out Obama for his Constitutional Ineligibility, in public and on camera, then we can strike a blow for The Constitution.

He is aloof from this controversy, because his adoring MSM won’t ask the awkward questions and no unvetted member of the public has been allowed to get within earshot of him, since the famous ‘Joe The Plumber’ incident. This is why I devised my pseudonym ‘Joe The Blogger’.

If I had one opportunity to put a question to him, live on TV, I would ask;

“Do you think the Framers of The Constitution would have intended for someone, such as yourself, a ‘natural born subject’ of The United Kingdom, to be eligible to be President of The United States? Isn’t that why they mandated in The Constitution that The President must be a ‘natural born Citizen’ of The United States – born in The USA of parents, who are both Citizens of The USA? They wanted to ensure that the Commander in Chief of all US military forces had undivided allegiance to The USA didn’t they, Mr Obama”?

Wouldn’t you just love to watch him squirm in front of a world-wide TV audience of millions? I would get out as much of my 3 part question as I could, before his minders covered my mouth and bundled me to the ground – but that would be OK, because even if Obama totally ignored my question, the whole world would see that. He would be exposed as the Usurper, that he is.

    • drkatesview

Yes, I would love to see him asked these great questions.

I intend to keep blogging on this issue until TD is back on line at the following site:

Please feel free to come on over….

  1. Joe The Blogger


guess what………………


obama’s a f r a i d of a question…………

pass it round………………….

what’s the question?????????????

“Do you think the Framers of The Constitution would have intended for someone, such as yourself, a ‘natural born subject’ of The United Kingdom, to be eligible to be President of The United States? Isn’t that why they mandated in The Constitution that The President must be a ‘natural born Citizen’ of The United States – born in The USA of parents, who are both Citizens of The USA? They wanted to ensure that the Commander in Chief of all US military forces had undivided allegiance to The USA didn’t they, Mr Obama”?

GO GET ‘IM, PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


13 Responses to “The TD Community’s Discussion of the 25th Amendment”

  1. 1 dave m August 17, 2009 at 2:42 am

    Hi Drkate,

    I haven’t been able to post anything on TDblog for about two months.
    Don’t know if I got banned but it sure seemed like it.
    I missed ya’ all.
    Happening below the surface, I think Obama realizes he needs
    to change the focus of the American people and do it soon.
    His health care bill is going to fail, polls say voters want
    the stimulus money given back, and his personal popularity is
    in continuous decline.

    He may start a war – with Iran. You know, like that wag the dog

    I pay for intelligence briefings from an Israeli news source
    called debka-net-weekly and they indicate that the military are
    gearing up for an attack on Iran within the remainder of this
    year. Not allowed to publish their paid for content but here’s
    some stuff they put up for free:

    Obama Pulls Plug on Middle East Team
    Orders Fast Policy Review from NSC Officials
    The US president is dispensing with the architects of his Middle East policy, accepting that it is not working. He has assigned a new team to find out what went wrong and recommend a fresh course.
    Shakeup of White House Special Envoys
    Secretary Clinton’s Shrinking Gamut
    Obama has decided his special envoys to Afghanistan/Pakistan and the Middle East have not delivered desired results. He has therefore redistributed areas of responsibility in foreign policy, paring the State Department down to the Levant and North Africa.
    Obama Writes a Letter to Assad
    After the Syrian Ruler Shunts Washington Aside as Peace Broker
    Syria’s Bashar Assad has jilted Washington causing the bottom to fall out of the US administration’s Middle East peace strategy. Obama trusts to a personal letter to bring him back on board.
    (interesting – Hillary’s bad tempered response to that question
    about her husband may have come from her knowing that her
    authority was already being drained away from her to the WH)

    Will he or won’t he? Keep an eye on it.Nothing this guy does
    is as it seems.

    An attack on Iran may precipitate some large terror events on our mainland, as we know there are undercover hezbollah groups
    in our country already and also in Mexico and Venezuela.
    (and debka continue to insist this:
    DEBKAfile’s sources report that they targeted an uninhabited desert area in the North, 500 kilometers away, just south of Ayn Diwar and east of Al Qamishli not far from the Syrian-Turkish-Iraqi border intersection.
    (It was here that Syria and Iraq, with Russian help, interred Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction in 2001.) )

    So they have ths stuff still available to them)
    I think events could thus be guided to Obama’s advantage in
    getting some sort of a security guided crackdown on our
    own liberties.

    Well let’s hope it doesn’t happen, but a command hq is being set
    up in Iraq to co-ordinate the attack and that is happening now.

    • 2 drkate August 17, 2009 at 10:50 am

      Hi DaveM, glad to see you here, and thanks for coming by.

      I am very interested in what you wrote….I can’t shake this feeling that something is going to happen. And yes, Obama is fast finding out that Americans do not ‘dig’ socialism and his bankrupting policies…..

      Please do visit often!

    • 3 Ali (Alikat/Alleycat) August 18, 2009 at 10:07 pm

      Hi dave m, good to *see* you. I always find your debka reports intriguing.


      Dr. Kate, please advise as to protocol re “open” threads/posts. Do you mind if we comment on other points of interest, or will “open” threads be provided separately?

      • 4 drkate August 18, 2009 at 11:02 pm

        Thanks for the question, and nice to see you here. You know I find the discussions and comments on each other’s comments quite interesting. And since this is a small community of readers I think I am fine with commenting as we see fit.

        I will provide open threads usually when I have to travel or will be away from posting because of my ‘real job’. My hat is off to anyone who runs a blog, I’m exhausted already!

  2. 5 ILBlue August 17, 2009 at 8:57 pm


    I haven’t read all comments, I skim through and do my own version of speedreading these days.

    There is so much To read and keep up with, Obama & his band of thugs are going in so many differant directions all at the same time. Hard to keep up with. (Alinsky anyone? )

    I wondered though what Supreme Court Judge of today or in the past you would see yourself as being ?

    What statesmen of the past ? ( disregard the quiz you took on twitter, o k? Ha ! )

    I followed CSPAN until this election very closely and I think what Robert Byrd did in his youth was dispicable being a KKK member. ( Not so unusual in his state and at the time many many yrs ago though. And since I tend to be someone who looks at the BIG PICTURE rather then what I refer to as TUNNEL VISION. )

    I found a re-invigorated awareness and importance of the “Constitution” from listening to him & watching him hold a pocket version on the Senate floor a number of years ago.

    Robert Byrd help awaken that in me again, the importance of this document. Say what eveyone will of his early disgrace, he to me is the only stateman I encountered while viewing the House and Senate speeches. (OMG to view these bodies of Government today as opposed to what occurred in the past is a disgrace to the offices they hold and the people they represent! )

    He exemplified & made me remember that legislators use to Be on the House & Senate floors ,filling those empty seats ALL THE TIME THEY WERE in Session not so many years ago.

    He made me remember “Mr. Smith Goes To Washington” , he doesn’t always vote the way I want but is a Statesman who honors and Loves this COUNTRY, and IT’s Constitution. I truly believe he has spent his adult public life trying to make up for his youthful MAJOR mistake.

    People will and DO disagree with that assessment, people will not allow that the people of WV have honored and appreciated his dedicated service all these years, people make fun , ridicule him but if you really listened to his words about our founding document it inspires a person , if they choose to hear his REAL passion about the “Constitution.”

    And that is my point , the lights are going out because he has been too ill since his Dear wife passed away.

    Where is our “Mr.Smith?” drkate ? That’s what I’m looking for…

    Sorry for the ramble but I’m just saying…(will now go back in my corner of twitter?? )

    • 6 drkate August 18, 2009 at 11:06 pm

      Very interesting questions! As far as supreme court justice, i just don’t know the history of them really, am just learning. Regarding statesman, I hear what you are saying about Byrd, and I too always admired his education on the senate floor. I will have to dig because I think the best ones are long gone. I’ll get back to you!

      What about you?

  3. 7 ILBlue August 17, 2009 at 8:59 pm


    I haven’t read all comments, I skim through and do my own version of speedreading these days.

    There is so much To read and keep up with, Obama & his band of thugs are going in so many differant directions all at the same time. Hard to keep up with. (Alinsky anyone? )

    I wondered though what Supreme Court Judge of today or in the past you would see yourself as being ?

    What statesmen of the past ? ( disregard the quiz you took on twitter, o k? Ha ! )

    I followed CSPAN until this election very closely and I think what Robert Byrd did in his youth was dispicable being a KKK member. ( Not so unusual in his state and at the time many many yrs ago though. And since I tend to be someone who looks at the BIG PICTURE rather then what I refer to as TUNNEL VISION. )

    I found a re-invigorated awareness and importance of the “Constitution” from listening to him & watching him hold a pocket version on the Senate floor a number of years ago.

    Robert Byrd help awaken that in me again, the importance of this document. Say what eveyone will of his early disgrace, he to me is the only stateman I encountered while viewing the House and Senate speeches. (OMG to view these bodies of Government today as opposed to what occurred in the past is a disgrace to the offices they hold and the people they represent! )

    He exemplified & made me remember that legislators use to Be on the House & Senate floors ,filling those empty seats ALL THE TIME THEY WERE in Session not so many years ago.

    He made me remember “Mr. Smith Goes To Washington” , he doesn’t always vote the way I want but is a Statesman who honors and Loves this COUNTRY, and IT’s Constitution. I truly believe he has spent his adult public life trying to make up for his youthful MAJOR mistake.

    People will and DO disagree with that assessment, people will not allow that the people of WV have honored and appreciated his dedicated service all these years, people make fun , ridicule him but if you really listened to his words about our founding document it inspires a person , if they choose to hear his REAL passion about the “Constitution.”

    And that is my point , the lights are going out because he has been too ill since his Dear wife passed away.

    Where is our “Mr.Smith?” drkate ? That’s what I’m looking for…

    Sorry for the ramble but I’m just saying…(will now go back in my corner of twitter )

  4. 8 ILBlue August 17, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    So Sorry my comments duplicated, but when I pressed to enter my comments i got an explorer error message. When I paged back to get your site again I got the same message.

    Finally re-entered your website to view it and then saw my comments duplicated. Must have something to do with my dial up slower computer and I apologize to all.

    • 9 Ga.Peach August 17, 2009 at 9:55 pm

      ILBlue, Hello. I bet drkate doesn’t mind a bit nor any of us either. Good to see you here. Missed ya.

    • 10 drkate August 17, 2009 at 10:30 pm

      Hi IlBlue, thanks so much for coming by. Duplicate comments are fine by me!

      Yes, where is our ‘Mr Smith’? And maybe that is the problem, we’ve been relying on others to do what we should have…and right now with the condition of congress, who would want to go there and try to clean it up?

  5. 12 Bill Bartmann- September 12, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    Hey good stuff…keep up the good work! I read a lot of blogs on a daily basis and for the most part, people lack substance but, I just wanted to make a quick comment to say I’m glad I found your blog. Thanks,)

    A definite great read…

    – Bill Bartmann

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