Amendments III and IV: Securing Home and Community

©2009 drkate

“Can the liberties of a nation be sure when we remove their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God?” Thomas Jefferson

Enshrined in the Constitution is our collective understanding that our liberties are inalienable and given to the people by God (the Creator), not  by government.  That is a knowledge, a “conviction in the minds of the people”, that lives in a free people.  This has lived in America and the American people since its founding.

One of the most fundamental liberties is the right to be secure in ones home, community and oneself.  These are inalienable rights and are articulated in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

This article is generated by what I consider to be two serious threats to our individual and collective liberty:

  • Obama’s ‘mandatory civilian service’ corps, and if they would be directed to perform services for the government in homes or communities
  • The proposed mandatory vaccination for swine flu

Both of these initiatives will be at our doorsteps in September.

This discussion will focus on Amendments III and IV of the U.S. Constitution as vehicles through which to ensure that each of these initiatives do not violate our personal homes, communities, or our individual bodies.  That is, our rights and liberties as enshrined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Amendment III

Obama plans to announce his mandatory civilian service corps on September 11 at Lafayette Park, across the street from the White House.  Interestingly, there is a statue of Andrew Jackson on a horse there, in the midst of battle.

Could  Obama’s  ‘mandatory civilian service corps’  be considered ‘soldiers’ of the government in any way?  And if so,  would Amendment III apply in its strict interpretation, or as subsequently modified by Supreme Court (SCOTUS) decisions?

Here is the text:

Amendment III.  No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Joseph Story, in Commentaries on the Constitution, wrote that

This provision speaks for itself. Its plain object is to secure the perfect enjoyment of that great right of the common law, that a man’s house shall be his own castle, privileged against all civil and military intrusion. The billetting of soldiers in time of peace upon the people has been a common resort of arbitrary princes, and is full of inconvenience and peril. In the petition of right (3 Charles I.), it was declared by parliament to be a great grievance [emphasis added].

This interpretation is like many which encompass both ‘military and civil intrusion’.  To redress civil intrusion that has already occurred, a civil action is required. To prevent a civil intrusion, a firm knowledge and exercise of one’s inalienable rights to security from invasion of a civil force is necessary.

Can the Amendment III right of an individual and home be extended to the community?  In a time of peace, no ‘soldier’ can be located within a home without the owner’s permission; if the owner, and other owners within the community understand and use their  inalienable rights under Amendment III, could a ‘civilian intrusion’ be prevented?

“Where Law ends, (says Mr. Locke) TYRANNY begins, if the Law be transgress’d to anothers harm”. Samuel Adams

  • Amendment III and Privacy

In 1965, the Supreme Court ruled, in part using Amendment III,  that the Constitution protected a right to privacy (Griswold v. Connecticut). The case involved a Connecticut law that prohibited the use of contraceptives. By a vote of 7-2, the Supreme Court invalidated the law on the grounds that it violated the “right to marital privacy”.  It seems to be that this case in particular began to expand Amendment III to “privacy” as a  protection from a “civil invasion”.

Although the Bill of Rights does not explicitly mention “privacy,” Justice William O. Douglas wrote for the majority that the right was to be found in the “penumbras” and “emanations” of other constitutional protections.  Concurring opinions used the Ninth and Fourteenth amendments (due process clause) to defend the Supreme Court’s ruling.

The dissenting opinions argued that the right to privacy is not found anywhere in the Constitution and criticized the use of the other amendments cited by colleagues in defense of the law.

Since Griswold, the Supreme Court has cited the right to privacy in several rulings, most notably in Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973).  While this ruling continues to be abhorrent to many, can this “right of privacy”  be used to prevent a ‘civil invasion’, be it from Obama’s new civilian corp or a public health nurse sent to give you a swine flu shot?

Amendment IV

Amendment IV is commonly referred to as “the right against unlawful search and seizure”, but for this article the primary emphasis is once again the inalienable right to be secure in one’s person and home:

Amendment IV [ Annotations ]. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

There is considerable discussion in legal circles as to the history and scope of this amendment, as well as whether the two clauses should be read separately or together:

the question arises whether the Fourth Amendment’s two clauses must be read together to mean that the only searches and seizures which are ”reasonable” are those which meet the requirements of the second clause, that is, are pursuant to warrants issued under the prescribed safeguards, or whether the two clauses are independent, so that searches under warrant must comply with the second clause but that there are ”reasonable” searches under the first clause which need not comply with the second clause.  This issue has divided the Court for some time, has seen several reversals of precedents, and is important for the resolution of many cases.

~snip~

For the Fourth Amendment to be applicable to a particular set of facts, there must be a ”search” and a ”seizure,” occurring typically in a criminal case, with a subsequent attempt to use judicially what was seized.

The interest protected under Amendment IV has often been interpreted as relating to property alone. However, in several cases related to wire-tapping  the protection of the privacy interest, not just property, has been advanced–i.e., no physical trespass is required to violate the right.  As detailed here,

Protection of property interests as the basis of the Fourth Amendment found easy acceptance in the Supreme Court  and that acceptance controlled decision in numerous cases.  For example, in Olmstead v. United States,  one of the two premises underlying the holding that wiretapping was not covered by the Amendment was that there had been no actual physical invasion of the defendant’s premises; where there had been an invasion, a technical trespass, electronic surveillance was deemed subject to Fourth Amendment restrictions.

The Court later rejected this approach, however. ”The premise that property interests control the right of the Government to search and seize has been discredited. . . . We have recognized that the principal object of the Fourth Amendment is the protection of privacy rather than property, and have increasingly discarded fictional and procedural barriers rested on property concepts.”  Thus, because the Amendment ”protects people, not places,” the requirement of actual physical trespass is dispensed with and electronic surveillance was made subject to the Amendment’s requirements.[emphasis added]

Remember FISA, anyone?

There is much discussion about the character of the warrants, the specificity of the search, and protections against seizure of material that is protected under the First Amendment.

What is evident here quite simply is that there is paperwork involved if anyone wants to violate your space physically or personally.  This would seem to me to apply to any Obama civilian corps and any attempt to enter your home and give you a flu shot.

“Where’s your warrant? Under what authority? Where’s your i.d.? “

Preventive Measures

What I have simply done here, as with many of my articles, is to discuss the existing framework of rights and obligations within the context of the threats to our Constitution, and therefore, ‘we the people’.  If we forget about our inalienable rights, and don’t exercise them, it is much easier to have the government fill the vacuum left by the people.

So rather than panic, prepare.  As a threshold issue, we must ask for and get proof of the safety of and ingredients in every vaccine.  And since the swine flu vaccine is going to be given in three doses, it is important to ask about the interactions of these vaccines in the body, before we are experimented on.

Regarding the swine flu vaccinations, it may be possible to have your doctor prepare a medical form, or some statement similar to a ‘conscientious objector’ to protect yourself from anyone coming to your door or trying to vaccinate you in public.  Remember that flu vaccinations will be required for children going back to school….is home schooling an option?  A doctor’s form?

Regarding the Obama civilian army, the best thing is to talk with your neighbors about their Third and Fourth Amendment rights.  The ‘soldiers’ can be stationed in a home only with permission of the owner; during a time of war, there must be specific legal procedures.  Know your rights!

The form of the Obama civilian army will be interesting to see unfold.  Armed with our Constitutional rights, we can continue to attack the funding for such a venture, challenge the legality of ‘mandatory voluntary service’, and challenge any specific action underneath the guise of this bill.

We have inalienable rights that are guaranteed; Obama is trying to replace that with a government-granted rights system.  Don’t let him.

Rather than being an old, irrelevant piece of paper, the Constitution could not  be more relevant to our lives today. That was how the Founding Fathers intended it to be, for us to use it and live it every day.

There is often as great a rage for change and novelty in politics, as in amusements and fashions.The Federal Farmer, no. 16, 1888

38 Responses to “Amendments III and IV: Securing Home and Community”


  1. 1 newssleuth August 18, 2009 at 8:39 pm

    Great article!

    Remember this: Just because someone works for the government doesn’t mean they know what they are talking about when it comes to law issues. Government officials and workers may not even know what the search and seizure law is, they may just kind of know, they may be misinterpreting it or they may have been given the wrong information about how the law works.

    I run into the misinterpretation of the search warrant laws all the time by people who work in the courts.

    • 2 drkate August 18, 2009 at 11:42 pm

      Exactly, newssleuth. Nice to ‘see’ you.

      “Government worker” is an oxymoron where I come from! 🙂

    • 3 sonicninjakitty August 19, 2009 at 2:56 pm

      Hi! This is a great blog–I have it bookmarked. Thanks, Dr. Kate for all the work you are putting into it.

      Newssleuth, what it WTPOUS? I’d be happy to drop in there, too. I’m a politics junkie–incurable🙂

      • 4 ali August 20, 2009 at 12:02 am

        Hi ninjakitty! I’ve always loved your avatar — yours and brit’s puppy are my fav’s (I’m an animal lover). Anyway, in answer to your question, WTPOTUS stands for We The People of The United States — Redpill started a community blog while TD’s blog is on “pause”. The website is http://www.wtpotus.wordpress.com

        Being the big baby that I am, I wish Dr. Kate’s blog and the wtpotus blog were combined because I like it when we’re all together — lol I guess I’m suffering separation anxiety lol

        Of course, both blogs are GREAT!

        • 5 Sonic Ninja Kitty August 20, 2009 at 6:52 pm

          Thank you both–will see you around there, too!

        • 6 itooktheredpill August 20, 2009 at 9:13 pm

          Dr. Kate has administrator privileges over at wtpotus, and if she feels led to post over there she would be more than welcome.

          I agree 100% that we’re all in this together.

          At the same time, I think it’s OK to have both individual blogs and “community” blogs. I respect Dr. Kate immensely, and whatever she wants to do is OK with me.

      • 7 newssleuth August 20, 2009 at 6:43 pm

        Here’s a link to We the People of The United States blog:

        http://wtpotus.wordpress.com

        itooktheredpill set up WTPOTUS for the TD community. There are some familiar “faces” and some new ones too.

        The feel of the topics differ from drkatesview in that they revolve around Constitutional issues with current events mixed in with other interesting topics. The blog does not have as much of a legal feel as drkatesview.

  2. 8 Ga.Peach August 18, 2009 at 9:40 pm

    Great article, much needed by all. All citizens should read and know these fundamental rights and MUST stand against ANY attempts to abuse those rights.

    The Third and Fourth Amendments are so precious and holds the govt. at a distance for now. I have done a little research on the 4th. In 1604, an English Court made the now famous observation that “the house of everyone is to him as his castle and fortress, as well for his defence against injury and violence, as for his repose.” In reviewing some of the case law, (will not cite cases), one that I remember is “physical entry of the home is the chief evil against which the wording of the 4th Amendment is directed.” (US District Ct.) In my search, I have found that this has happened much too frequently in our country. Astoundingly, several were erroneous drug tips which led to police intrusion, homeowner unaware intruder were officers, retrieved weapon only to be killed while protecting his home.

    We must make the people aware and stand against any attack on our basic freedoms. Each injury against it shall make it weaker with each blow.

    There is so much I want to say on these issues. I only wish I could express myself as I wish to. Blessings to you, drkate. You are truly a good and faithful servant.

  3. 9 dave m August 19, 2009 at 8:10 am

    Sticking to strictly medical issues, even ABC news had
    reported that the vaccine will probably be “adjuvantized”.
    hat’s an adjuvant?

    More specifically, what is squalene?

    The really really short description:

    Most of us think a vaccine just contains the weakened or killed
    germ. Our immune system meets it for the first time, gets a little
    bit sick, but learns to defend itself the next time against the
    real thing.

    Then there are adjuvants.

    These are a broad class of immune system “hyper-uppers” and include
    aluminum and squalene. Not germ specific they freak out your
    immune system so it is hper sensitive to any invader.
    Advantage: you don’t have to put as much germ particle into the
    shot. Lets you make more doses in a short amount of time.

    Disadvantage? Your hyped up immune system may attack your own body, examples of auto-immune diseases include Guillian-Barre
    syndrome (paralysis), MS, rheumatoid arthritis, etc. In
    The UK, a leaked letter form the government to all the NHS
    neurologists has advised them to be on the look-out for cases of Guillan-Barre syndrome following the introduction of the flu
    shot.

    Squalene? I’d say google it, but if you don’t want your email address sent to the WH, I’d recommend ixquick instead.
    Just as good and guarantees your privacy.

    Squalene was implicated in the mysterious gulf war syndrome
    that struck down vets (and even those who didn’t deploy)
    in the first gulf war. It was used in the new anthrax vaccines.

    There are a lot of reasons to be very suspicious of this new vaccine.

    Neither my wife nor I will be a guinea pig to take it,
    though since we currently work in England, we probably won’t
    be forced to.

    But I am aghast that this can actually be happening.

    • 10 ali August 20, 2009 at 12:09 am

      Thank you for the vaccine info, dave!

    • 11 itooktheredpill August 22, 2009 at 10:52 am

      Dave M,

      I have personaly met a young man (early 20’s, a friend of a friend) who became paralyzed as a direct result of getting a flu shot. He didn’t give the condition a name, so I don’t know for certain that it was what you call Guillian-Barre syndrome, but it sounds like the same thing. He had been a very athletic college student and is now in a wheelchair as a result of receiving that shot.

      To think that this could have been the result of a vaccine maker taking a “shortcut” by using an adjuvant is shocking!

  4. 12 dave m August 19, 2009 at 8:16 am

    I think this is kind of important,

    Sticking to strictly medical issues, even ABC news had
    reported that the vaccine will probably be “adjuvantized”.
    what’s an adjuvant?

    More specifically, what is squalene?

    The really really short description:

    Most of us think a vaccine just contains the weakened or killed
    germ. Our immune system meets it for the first time, gets a little
    bit sick, but learns to defend itself the next time against the
    real thing.

    Then there are adjuvants.

    These are a broad class of immune system “hyper-uppers” and include
    aluminum and squalene. Not germ specific they freak out your
    immune system so it is hyper sensitive to any invader.
    Advantage: you don’t have to put as much germ particle into the
    shot. Lets you make more doses in a short amount of time.

    Disadvantage? Your hyped up immune system may attack your own body, examples of auto-immune diseases include Guillian-Barre
    syndrome (paralysis), MS, rheumatoid arthritis, etc. In
    The UK, a leaked letter form the government to all the NHS
    neurologists has advised them to be on the look-out for cases of Guillan-Barre syndrome following the introduction of the flu
    shot.

    Squalene? I’d say gooogle it, but if you don’t want your email address sent to the WH, I’d recommend ixquick instead.
    Just as good and guarantees your privacy.

    Squalene was implicated in the mysterious gulf war syndrome
    that struck down vets (and even those who didn’t deploy)
    in the first gulf war. It was used in the new anthrax vaccines.

    There are a lot of reasons to be very suspicious of this new vaccine.

    Neither my wife nor I will be a guinea pig to take it,
    though since we currently work in England, we probably won’t
    be forced to.

    But I am aghast that this can actually be happening.

  5. 13 susan h August 19, 2009 at 9:16 am

    I am very concerned about a MANDATORY flu vaccine or MANDATORY anything health related. For my own person reasons, I have fought getting a flu shot at the office ($25/person). They offer it in our building and most people do take it. One year the managing partner asked me if I was going to take it. I said no. He personally came to my desk and said he will go with me and he will pay for it. I again reiterated I did not want to take it. A small discussion ensued and I asked if it was in our Employee Manual that we HAD to take the flu vaccine. He said no and left me alone.

    • 14 susan h August 19, 2009 at 9:41 am

      Dr. Kate: I am adding to what I wrote above. After reading over my comment above, it sounds like my objection is that the vaccine is given at the office. That is not the issue. I am a HANDS OFF from the medical community, want very little of their intrusion in my life.

      This government style mandate is very scary and if it goes through, there is no end to what the government will mandate for “its citizens”, a/la soviet style. With a group of carefully trained civilian corps, that makes it all the more terrifying as to what Obama et al might decide to enforce against us. I hope citizens will speak up against this dictatorial take over like they have at the recent town hall meetings and show this government WE DO NOT WANT ITS INTRUSION IN OUR LIVES (remember Teri Schiavo?) I guess I did not realize that this is the kind of government democrats wanted all along, or else I would have become an independent a long time ago. Thanks Dr. Kate for this wonderful article.

  6. 15 dave m August 19, 2009 at 10:01 am

    Hi,

    I posted a warning about the flu shot and “adjuvants” which will also be in the vaccine and pose a worrying health threat
    leading to serious long term complications such as Guillian-Barre syndrome.
    I thought it was important but it disappeared.
    Please check if it is stuck in moderation.
    Thanks a lot.
    Dave M.

    • 16 drkate August 19, 2009 at 11:36 am

      Hi Dave M. Yes your comment ended up in spam, but I’ve just released them all. I have set it up that if anyone puts in more than 2 links it will either go to spam or in moderation.

      I always check the spam and moderation folders to make sure the comments are going through. so far, really only one spam email that was truly spam.

      Thanks your your patience!

  7. 17 Ga.Peach August 19, 2009 at 10:31 am

    Now is the time to question how much you value your freedoms. All the rights we enjoy must be protected. When the security of our person, our home, is breached; it is a profound and far reaching breach.

    The intrusion of the government into the sanctity of our homes, our “safe place” is forever mind altering. We spend our days and the majority of our lives in the hustle and bustle of daily existence; while in the back of our minds anticipating the moment we arrive home away from the traffic and crowds. Our castle, the ultimate safe place, free from unwanted chatter and distraction. Content that, once at home, we can relax and be secure without even a thought of invasion.

    Sadly, the threat of authority figures entering that “safe place”, though somewhat rare, is occuring in this great and free nation. Once the security and peacefulness of your home is breached by the very ones who take an oath to protect you and the Constitution; life at home and outside of home, will never be the same. Your concept of freedom and security will forever be altered.

    WE MUST STAND NOW !!! We must protect our last protector, our precious Constitution. Other than the Word of God, our Holy Bible; the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the only true documents with “standing” that keeps America the greatest nation on Earth. They are not merely pieces of paper. They are the product of our existence. Each of us must choose how valuable these taken for granted rights are to our country. Please, please let your voice be heard in your communities. Once we lose our right to be secure of our own body, our private property, then not far behind will be freedom of speech (already under attack). The last freedom, the only one that no one can take from you, is your ability of choice — to choose right or wrong, good or evil. Choose now before it is too late.

    Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve;…but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

    Sorry, drkate, for taking so much space. This is a subject very dear to me as well should be to everyone. Please feel free to edit or delete if you feel inappropriate for “the situation” or this thread.

    God Bless the USA.

  8. 18 Ga.Peach August 19, 2009 at 10:34 am

    Just a reminder to all as per drkate’s earlier message:

    TODAY……2:01 pm……stop and PRAY. Pray for God’s protection over our land.

    Spread the word….Prayer….make it contagious!!!

    May God Bless the United States of America

  9. 19 Kathy August 19, 2009 at 1:00 pm

    Injunction issued to stop compulsory vaccination in the US.

    I am praying this is true.

    http://www.unobserver.com/layout5.php?id=6397&blz=1

    • 20 susan h August 19, 2009 at 1:08 pm

      I am with you. I pray this is true or that someone will actually file such a suit. P.S. I am wondering who stands to benefit financially from the enormous amount of flu vaccine the government is manufacturing and/or buying up? Which of Obama’s friends would be in for a windfall profit if this flu vaccine were to be forcibly given to everyone in America? P.S. This vaccine could not have been properly tested in this short time and Americans should not be guniea pigs for the pharmaceutical companies. From what was mentioned in Dave M’s article giving us the list of side-effects, I think if given the choice, many people would NOT be willing to take the vaccine.

      Thanks so much Dr. Kate for all the information we have been shown here today.

    • 21 drkate August 19, 2009 at 1:12 pm

      Kathy, apparently this article has been proven false as there is no case on this before NJ courts and no injunction has been issued in this area.

      I tweeted it all over the place before I found out!😳

      Anyway, if you look at the language in this, it provides an excellent basis to develop a complaint for an injunction, and also fits right along with this discussion on Amendment IV.

      But, here is a case that is before the US Supreme Court on forced vaccinations in Massachusetts that if ruled on soon could be very important for our efforts to prevent forced swine flu vaccinations.

      http://supreme.justia.com/us/197/11/case.html

      • 22 Kathy August 19, 2009 at 3:43 pm

        Sorry Dr. Kate, it did sound too good to be true but I was praying that it was so.

        I can not even imagine the mayhem there is going to be if they try to make this mandatory.

        I did read in my local paper that a factory logjam could delay swine flu shots. It seems that there is a logjam at factories that put the liquid into syringes.

        The newest calculations show the nation won’t have the long-promised 120 doses ready to dispense by Oct. 15, but just 45 million instead. It appears to be more of a delay than a shortage, the Department of Health and Human Services said.

        This would seem, imo, to give the gov. an out in trying to make it mandatory. How can you you make mandatory something that you do not have? Did they see the writing on the wall and know what kind of a fight they would have on their hands.

        I believe they were so stunned by the backlash over health care that they are in no hurry to have another battle over anything to do with health care.

        Since everything seems to be calculated in this administration I find this hard to believe that this could be a coincidence.

        If I can find this on line I will drop the link. It is in Wed. Aug19. Palm Beach Post pg 5A under national briefs.

    • 25 Renee August 19, 2009 at 3:54 pm

      Kathy, Wow !

  10. 26 drkate August 19, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    Supreme Court case on forced vaccinations: Important!

    http://supreme.justia.com/us/197/11/case.html

    • 27 Renee August 19, 2009 at 4:07 pm

      DrKate, That is on smallpox, so how would the risk of smallpox be compared to swine flu ? Are they even in the same league ?

  11. 28 Rosemary Woodhouse August 19, 2009 at 1:57 pm

    From the above referenced SCOTUS judgement, “An exception is made in favor of “children who present a certificate, signed by a registered physician that they are unfit subjects for vaccination.” §

    The requirement of presenting “a certificate” (rendering them)…..”unfit subjects…” Why does this sound so familiar? Hmmmmm

  12. 29 Papoose August 19, 2009 at 5:14 pm

    Rosemary, yep. and they’re all in it together.

    “Unfit Subjects”? Who are these scary people?

    They constantly backtrack because they are patient predators. They just wait.

    Just say No again when this civilian patrol thing crops up. It’s coming…Next! A civilian taliban…not a chance.

  13. 30 Rosemary Woodhouse August 19, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Yes, Papoose, we sure are!

    The SCOTUS case linked above was argued in 1904 and decided in 1905. Since so many legal decisions are based on precedent….we shall see. With the Sotomeyor appointment, our constitutional separation of powers was just further eroded since her loyalties certainly with be with “him”. Again, we shall see.

  14. 31 RICHARD August 19, 2009 at 9:41 pm

    BEFORE WE ALL GET BUZZED BY THE ‘SWINE’ FLU
    TALK TO SOMEONE WHO HAS ACTUALY SUFFERED FROM IT,
    IN MY CASE MY SISTER IN ENGLAND.
    SHE CAME DOWN WITH IT IN JULY ,SHE STADE AT HOME, TOOK NORMAL MEDCINE FOR THE FLU AFTER HER DOCTOR TOLD HER SHE HAD IT AND RECOVERD IN ABOUT TWO WEEKS. ( THIS IS ENGLAND DONT FORGET SO NO SPECIAL MEDCINE WAS OFFERED)
    SHE TOLD ME IT WAS LIKE NORMAL FLU BUT A BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE AT THE BEGINNING.
    I WILL BE TAKING MY FLU SHOT IN SEPTEMBER AS USUAL;
    AND DONT FORGET- ABOUT 50’000 americans die every year from the REGULAR FLU so dont be alarmed by the MSM stirring up panic figures.
    hope that calms your fears a little.
    my sister is fine and back to normal now ( she is 69)
    ras

  15. 32 cowgirl4u August 20, 2009 at 12:24 am

    Y’ all be sure to bookmark this siight…I always got here fro TD’s and now it’s on lock up…
    BOOKMARK now

  16. 33 ali August 20, 2009 at 12:38 am

    Dr. Kate, thank you for my “daily fix”🙂 — another good read! How I do admire your ability to write/educate with such ease and clarity.

  17. 34 whatsup1015 August 20, 2009 at 1:30 am

    I am sorry but nowhere have i found where this civilian corps would be “mandatory”, where is this information coming from?

  18. 37 Bill Bartmann September 1, 2009 at 2:49 pm

    Great site…keep up the good work.

  19. 38 Bill Bartmann September 4, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Excellent site, keep up the good work


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