On Abraham Lincoln

©2009 drkate

[updated throughout]

Continuing the examination of the undoing of our Constitution, I find I need to go back to Abraham Lincoln and the Civil War.  This essay is without specific respect to Lincoln and slavery, as that deserves its own post.  I will focus here on Lincoln’s role in trying to change and in avoiding the constitution.

Although the union of the States was always voluntary, Lincoln made secession illegal, violating the Constitution (habeas corpus), the 1st, 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments, and mocking the right of the people to reject a tyrannical government as declared in the Declaration of Independence. This was a much an issue of economics and political power as anything.  The voluntary Union was restored at the point of a gun and at the cost of 650,000 lives.

It is quite interesting that in Lincoln’s inaugural address, he pledged to ‘not interfere with the southern states’ slavery, as to do so was unconstitutional.  Yet in the same speech, he declared the ‘union to be perpetual’.

The Other History during Lincoln’s Period

An interesting piece has emerged regarding the real 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

In the winter of 1983, archival research expert David Dodge, and former Baltimore police investigator Tom Dunn, were searching for evidence of government corruption in public records stored in the Belfast Library on the coast of Maine. By chance, they discovered the library’s oldest authentic copy of the Constitution of the United States (printed in 1825). Both men were stunned to see this document included a 13th Amendment that no longer appears on current copies of the Constitution. Moreover, after studying the Amendment’s language and historical context, they realized the principle intent of this “missing” 13th Amendment was to prohibit lawyers from serving in government.

As a disclaimer, this is routinely dismissed as a ‘conspiracy theory’ or myth, just like the purported ratification of the 16th amendment is routinely dismissed as a myth.  But I am beginning to understand that the amendments to the Constitution beyond the first 12 are highly suspect in terms of proper ratification, and this now becomes a subject of interest as I try to put together the unraveling of the Constitution.  The amendments after the 12th amendment fundamentally began the ‘slide’ away from the founding principles of a Constitutional Republic.

I am also raising this to encourage readers to do some research on your own on the amendments to the Constitution, especially if  you are in an eastern state, or near archives that may have original copies of the Constitution in a library printed from 1815 to about 1860.

Dodge also uncovered evidence that the real 13th amendment was ratified in 1819:

If the evidence is correct and no logical errors have been made, a 13th Amendment restricting lawyers from serving in government was ratified in 1819 and removed from our Constitution during the tumult of the Civil War.

Or maybe before?

The original 13th Amendment as discovered by these researches was regarding ‘titles of nobility”, and reads:

“If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.

If it was ratified, then it is a real amendment and has authority, but it is not in our current constitution now.  This of course would have made Abraham Lincoln ineligible for the Presidency.  Yes, I know I am just doing a ‘plain reading’, and even under that reading I might not be able to draw that conclusion.  I am using my understanding of what ‘titles of nobility or honour’ meant at that time, and the source article for these quotes.

The 13th Amendment today is referred to as the emancipation proclamation and was ratified in 1868:

1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

There is more on Lincoln that bears examination. After emancipation, there were the Reconstruction Acts,  the ratification of the 14th Amendment at gunpoint and by the House and Senate refusing to seat duly elected southern Congressmen, all of which combined to punish  the southern states in perpetuity for secession.  And, there are the Lincoln seeds for a central bank in the United States, eventually realized through the passage of the Federal Reserve Act and the purported ratification of the 16th Amendment in 1913.

An Interview with Author Thomas DiLorenzo

This lengthy, four-part interview with Thomas DiLorenzo sheds additional light on Abraham Lincoln.

Part I

Part II

Part III

Part IV

15 Responses to “On Abraham Lincoln”


  1. 1 No-nonsense-nancy December 8, 2009 at 9:01 am

    This is very interesting. Until very recently I thought of Lincoln almost as a deity. I was listening to a blog talk radio show by some conservatives, I can’t remember who, but they were knowledgeable of the constitution and they were very critical of Lincoln even though he had been a republican. I was very shocked that anyone could criticize him like that. Naive me.

  2. 2 IL.Blue December 8, 2009 at 12:12 pm

    Hi, Dr. Kate,

    PostnEmail have new web address:

    http://www.thepostemail.com is new name and location.

    Getting ready for possible blizzard in northern IL counties where we live. Under Winter Storm warning now thru tomorrow night.

    • 3 drkate December 8, 2009 at 12:18 pm

      Thank you, I corrected the address. Good luck with the snow storm! We’ve been buried here for about a week…

  3. 4 IL.Blue December 8, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    Hi, Dr. Kate,

    For some strange reason multi-tasking did not work very well when attempting to post your two newest articles.

    It took 3 tries to get the correct article with the correct URL.

    Wow, but explained to followers since I noticed before they had time to and corrected. Fortunately I have some wonderful followers who I dearly appreciate.

    So …now all posted correctly , and happy to see you updated to corrected link for Postemail since that is a site worth following.

    I think they maybe over doing the weather here to some degree, but only we few far northern suburbs are on the warning for the weather, were I work is just an advisory. Not unusual though.
    It’s a wait and see now. But I don’t like driving AT ALL ..Never did…and now have rental because my 13yr old car is totalled so even more worried about driving . Probably will stay home for high winds , drifting tomorrow, too much open area on my drive.

    Somehow think I would love Wyoming though, fewer people with far leftist ideas there no doubt. Gitmo prisoners will definately make our state less safe. And they keep acting as though this prison is Central or Southern IL. …not true its North Western IL. Can not put into words how much I despise this state now.

  4. 5 Quantum Leap December 8, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Nancy Taxoligist Pelosi slams us with another tax for her greedy money-grabbing fingers and failed policies that she demands her Opuppets to implement.

    Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) endorsed the idea of a “global” tax on stock trades and other financial transactions, saying the estimated $150 billion in annual revenue from such a tax could be used to help fund more stimulus spending. At her weekly press briefing on Thursday, Pelosi said the financial transactions tax (HR4191) currently before Congress would have to be made “global” to keep U.S. investors from taking their business overseas and out of taxable reach.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=58099

  5. 6 Quantum Leap December 8, 2009 at 9:59 pm

    ALERT ALERT ALL PATRIOTS URGENT

  6. 8 newssleuth December 9, 2009 at 3:06 am

    TONA Research Committee website that researches “The Original Thirteenth Article of Amendment To The Constitution For The United States”

    With pictures of documents and research information.

    Link:

    http://www.amendment-13.org/#

  7. 10 Contrarian View January 31, 2010 at 7:01 am

    I call shenanigans on that 13th Amendment claim. First, any amendment ratified would have been broadly published throughout the United States and the document trail would be voluminous.

    Second, there is no logical way to infer from the quoted text any prohibition on attorneys serving in the government. It deals only with foreign powers. Besides, it fails the common sense test: many of the original signers of the Declaration of Independence were attorneys, as were many of the Framers of the Constitution. With that precedent, why would they exclude themselves from government?

    • 11 drkate January 31, 2010 at 4:26 pm

      thanks for your input. I saw a copy of the constitution, published 1825, with the real 13th amendment in there.😯

      thirteenth amendment was ratified in 1817.

      We don’t know what was the thinking, but, I believe there must have been something that happened to bring this on.


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