Memo to American Thinker: Four Facts on the Breach of Article II

©2011 drkate

American Thinker has generally produced well researched and interesting articles that I enjoy very much.  But they fail, like so many others, in discussing the most pressing issue of our day: the invasion of the White House by the foreign usurper, Obama.  This author has repeatedly submitted  articles to the American Thinker  on the subject of Barack Obama’s failure to meet the constitutional requirements for the Presidency articulated in Article II of the Constitution.  American Thinker has refused to publish not only mine but many articles on this subject, presumably because they either don’t see a problem or have been directed to not publish anything of substance.  Recently AT allowed two articles to discuss Obama’s ‘birth certificate’, notice not eligibility.  Both articles fall woefully short of informing their readers of the true seriousness of this issue.

The American Thinker’s satire and ludicrous analyses aside, the failure of  the media and others to  acknowledge that Barack Hussein Obama  is not a natural born citizen eligible to the Presidency under Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of the Constitution is one of the most serious breaches of the Constitution in United States history.  We do ourselves, America, and our future generations no favor by satirizing, ignoring, or being afraid to address this issue.

Donald Trump’s release of his Birth Certificate, and the ‘media’s’ immediate questioning of Trump’s mother’s birth outside the U.S. demonstrates unequivocally that the media knows full well what a ‘natural born citizen’ is.  Trump masterfully produced his mother’s naturalization papers the next day proving that both his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth.  Now that Mr. Trump has broken the ice jam and has forcefully brought this issue into the public view, it may be useful to review the basic problems of Mr. Obama’s citizenship that have caused 91% of Americans to doubt his birth story.

  • Fact.  The Constitution requires that the President be a natural born Citizen, which is not the same as a Citizen under the Fourteenth Amendment.  The term ‘natural born’ Citizen is a national security safeguard to ensure that the Commander-in-Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces does not have dual or multiple allegiances.  If the Founders had thought a ‘Citizen’ was sufficient for the Presidency, the words ‘natural born’ would not have preceded the word ‘Citizen’ in Article II:

    No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President

  • Fact.  The natural born citizenship clause of the Constitution requires both parents to be American citizens at the time of a child’s birth in order for that child to be eligible for the Presidency.  Mr. Obama has already admitted that at birth he had dual citizenship from his father, a British subject, and his mother, an American citizen.  This is irrespective of birth place. A dual citizens’ allegiance is inherently divided. The Constitution requires singular allegiance to the United States at birth.
  • Fact.  Mr. Obama admits he was adopted by an Indonesian national and became an Indonesian citizen in order to attend school there.  No record exists as to whether Mr. Obama renounced this Indonesian citizenship or was naturalized as an American citizen when he returned to the United States.  Even if he did renounce his Indonesian citizenship, Mr. Obama fails the singular allegiance test of the Constitution as a result of his dual allegiance at birth.  As further disqualification then,  Mr. Obama has multiple citizenships:  British, Kenyan, Indonesian, with his American citizenship confirmed as soon as he releases his naturalization papers.  The Constitution requires singular allegiance to the United States.  A Citizen of the United States by naturalization is not a natural born citizen.
  • Fact.  The Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution establishes the conditions for U.S. citizenship but not ‘natural born’ citizenship.  Fourteenth Amendment citizens are not natural born citizens.  The Fourteenth Amendment did not modify, replace, or change Article II, Section I, Clause 5 of the Constitution.

Without mentioning the ‘birth certificate’ at all, Mr. Obama fails to qualify for the Presidency under Article II, and fails the tests of the Twelfth, Twentieth, and Twenty Fifth Amendments of the Constitution.

Under any of these provisions of the Constitution, Obama can be relieved from duty with an orderly succession of officers that ensures the continuity of government.

Its time to act, not avoid.  And its time for the American Thinker to grow an editorial spine and seriously address this issue.

229 Responses to “Memo to American Thinker: Four Facts on the Breach of Article II”

  1. 1 True Patriot April 3, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    True Dr. Kate. It is amazing how many still get it wrong after all this time.

    Did you notice O’Reilly did not mention the results of his own poll on Faux news, or I missed it. I have to go to my neighbors next door because I had all the communist media removed from my programming.

    It will be interesting to see how O’Lielly and Beck hand this when the truth comes out on the illegal communist muslim fraud in our White House.

  2. 2 drkate April 3, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    The article at AT that was on Obama’s head scars (sheesh) is what set me off here. Normally I like that author but that was such an obvious diversion…

    As you all may guess, I am drafting my letter to Donald Trump…this will be part of the letter. I want to support Sharon Rondeau’s letter and focus on the parental requirement of two american citizens…and offer up my best pieces for his review.

    I hope to have that done and published here in the next day or so.

  3. 3 True Patriot April 3, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    I also have been sending Trump emails and calling.

    I think a drafting a letter is a good idea. Trump continues to mention the newspaper article was published 3 days after O’s birth.
    It was 9 days but he has really helped bring this out in the media.

    Now with Herman Cain saying O should produce his B.C. is left is going nuts. Oh wait, they are already nuts.

    Go Trump go. God Bless America.

  4. 4 Jan April 3, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Great article Dr. K. I just want to clarify, that even if obat renounced this Indonesian citizenship or was naturalized as an American citizen when he returned to the United States, he still would not be eligible to be President of the U.S., right?

  5. 6 True Patriot April 3, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    Meant to say drafting a letter. Wow Long Day.

  6. 7 no-nonsense-nancy April 3, 2011 at 10:54 pm

    Dr. Kate, Theresa Coa and the person who is helping her, (I forget the name) are basing her defense on the fact that Omama’s father was a foreigner and that it is the father who determines the citizenship statis of a child, I beleive. They say they are basing it on Natural Law. I assume they mean Vattel, who specifically states that two citizen parents are required to be natural born. It bothers me that they are not mentioning in the bief that he needs to have two citizen parents. If she wins the case, and I hope and pray that she does, wouldn’t that be changing the meaning of what natural born means and setting a precident? I think I was reading the article correctly. Maybe you can clarify it for me. Thanks.

    • 8 drkate April 3, 2011 at 10:59 pm

      Yes, this is the theory that citizenship is inherited by the father, which follows natural law. It is an incomplete theory from the standpoint of ‘nbc’ in the constitution, which requires unity of citizenship at birth, both parents. Theresa is also basing alot of this and is using the Kenyan BC…so let’s see what happens. If anything, the judge will not be able to deal with the ‘nbc’ theory, or I think citizenship theories because it is first amendment…but the judge may not want to get into any of this so will dismiss the case. How much can Theresa enter into the record? A big test.

      • 9 thinkwell April 4, 2011 at 5:20 am

        Mr. Pauly claims that by the laws of nature as described by E. de Vattel, to qualify as a natural born citizen, one need only be born to a citizen father into a legitimate marriage (since a wife, by natural law, takes on the citizenship of her husband upon marriage).

        To test Mr. Pauly’s interpretation of natural law and citizenship, we must fully explore the recent change to what is considered “natural” in society that came about starting at the time when a wife no longer automatically took on her husband’s citizenship upon marriage. In my opinion, this major societal change is a direct result of several trends:

        1. The waning of the importance of physical strength and muscle power in modern society (the rise of the machine). This has greatly reduced the productivity advantage of men (relative to women) in the workplace. It also has led to changes in social morés that support the notion that men and women are interchangeable in society, which has been reinforced by pervasive legal shackles to a man’s natural animalistic tendency to dominance (whether all this is good or not is another discussion).

        2. The rise of modern medical care and technology has freed women from near exclusive lifelong dedication to the role of breeding the next generation. This is both because women no longer suffer a significant risk of death through childbirth and they need to produce fewer children since almost all survive. Note, too, that all of today’s modern conveniences mean that the direct labor required to support rearing children and maintaining a household has been vastly reduced.

        This all has led to a paradigm shift of what is considered “natural” in society, to the point (in my opinion) that Vattel would consider it to have changed natural law, at least in modern Western civilization (remember, Vattel’s treatise was that of an observer, merely describing as accurately as possible the natural order of Man in society and between nation states).

        Thus, even though the Constitutional requirement for a natural born Citizen President has remained steadfast since the Founding, the basis of determination of what is “natural” has not — men and women are now fully equal natural citizens and children no longer exclusively follow the condition of their fathers. In other words, dual citizenship and split allegiance at birth, which once was rare-to-nonexistent, is now routinely possible (and has led to a confusing situation probably not foreseen by the Founders — more on this to follow).

        I think this fundamental change is a large part of the reason for the doubts that exist about the Constitutional meaning of “natural born Citizen.” A new birth class of natural dual citizenship has evolved, but does it meet the Founders’ intent for Presidential eligibility?

        The short answer is NO, it does not. The nbC requirement was simply the Founders’ way of protecting the Presidency from a person of inborn foreign influence (of which, Obama, as a self-proclaimed citizen of the world, is a good example). The Founders clearly wanted to ensure that the President was 100 percent red-blooded all-American, and would therefore have a natural affinity exclusively to America and its people above all others.

        In light of the Founders’ driving goal of excluding any foreign allegiance or influence, it is ludicrous to suggest that dual birth citizenship (due to the new “natural” of independent and equal parental heritage) should result in the possibility of one being a natural born Citizen of two countries at once. Except for certain mind-numbed Obots, the thought simply does not compute.

        The Founders did not explicitly express the exclusivity requirement because in their day, it was completely redundant to the “natural born” requirement.

        NBC = blood + dirt: NO dual allegiances or foreign influences allowed, just born by Nature (not by statute) 100 percent red-blooded all-American.

        • 10 thinkwell April 4, 2011 at 5:55 am

          The point of the natural born Citizen requirement is to ensure both that our Commander-in-Chief be born and raised with exclusive dedication and allegiance to the USA and that no other country have any legitimate claim of fealty or duty from our CiC under any circumstance.

          Naturalized-as-an-adult citizens must first officially renounce any other citizenship and then freely swear an oath of sole allegiance to the USA, thereby breaking all bonds to any other country. It makes no sense for our Government to recognize dual citizenship for any such naturalized citizen. Their freely sworn exclusive loyalty is also why they may produce and raise children who are themselves are then natural born Citizens.

          US-government-recognized dual citizens may occur by birth and apparently in some cases** by the free choice of a former exclusively American citizen (something that should never be allowed in my opinion – either you are in or you are out). This leads to a gray area with regard to natural born Citizenship where citizens may be born on native soil, but to parents one or both of whom may be dual citizens. Such children clearly may be born and raised with divided allegiance (in fact, quite plausibly with a stronger loyalty to their “other” country). That our country would ever embrace such dilute, mixed sort of citizenship was not something foreseen by the Founders, in my opinion (remember, in their day, citizenship strictly followed that of the father).

          That these children could ever be classified as natural born Citizens is an anathema to the Constitution, the security and protection of our country and the intent of the Founders. I believe this debased sort of hybrid “natural born Citizen” was neither possible nor ever envisioned as being possible in the time of the Founders, which is why it may not have been directly addressed. But one only need look to the guidance of the clearly expressed intent to protect the nation from foreign interest and influence to see that such a bastardized classification of “natural born Citizen” should never be allowed.

          ** Many countries offer (or unilaterally claim) derivative citizenship for American “anchor babies” of their citizens and/or to the children or grandchildren of their former citizens who have since become naturalized American citizens. Upon request, these countries will often formalize dual citizenship and issue a passport to such Americans.

        • 11 heather April 4, 2011 at 7:34 am


          NBC = blood + dirt: NO dual allegiances or foreign influences allowed, just born by Nature (not by statute) 100 percent red-blooded all-American.

          Can’t get simpler than these words! Well done.

    • 12 anonymouse April 3, 2011 at 11:24 pm

      I think that she might be getting bot advice.

  7. 15 Voco Indubium April 4, 2011 at 12:46 am

    The Donald may not read all the mail he gets. If anyone knows the address of his attorney (Mr. Cohen ?) – the one who was quoted saying that there are hospitals named after Trump, but the only hospital named after O is in Kenya – it maybe useful to send letters to him as well.

  8. 16 Paula April 4, 2011 at 6:28 am

    Found this summarization of what could possibly happen if Obama is reinstalled, and this has been my concern all along: at some point, those who choose to live free will do something to correct this tyrant beast posing as government!

    Prepare For Obama’s Second Term: PRAY! America’s Tribulations Have Only Just Begun A Commentary by J. D. Longstreet

    Obama is preparing to announce his campaign for a second term as the President of the United States. And he WILL WIN!


    Because the Republican Party has no one with a snowball’s chance in Hades of winning against the tsunami of leftist, socialist, Marxist, communist, liberal, progressive, and just plain “dumb” voters who are set to flood the polling places across America to insure Obama’s reelection.

    It is a crying shame the GOP has lost its will to fight. The blue bloods and the country club set, within the Republican Party, had emasculated the fighting spirit of the GOP even before the Tea Party, in disgust, all but split off to form an “ex-officio” political party within the Republican Party.

    Sadly, it looks as though the Tea Party’s influence on the GOP has not been strong enough to break the party’s death wish. In our opinion, the Republican Party is about to go the way of the “Whigs.”

    As of today, I am as certain that Obama will win in 2012, as I am that the sun will rise tomorrow morning.

    Honestly, if I am right, and that happens, I do not see America surviving as a constitutional republic more that a decade, maybe two. At the most, Obama’s victory will prove to the world that America has made her choice to forsake the constitution, and democracy and has decided, as a nation, to embrace Socialism, Marxism, and Communism and — most importantly – God!

    Under the leadership of Obama, America has made giant strides toward destruction. Obama’s forsaking of Israel has iniated a chain reaction of troubles for America, not just in the Middle East, but also around the globe. America is only at the threshold of coming events that will shatter its very foundation and ultimately cause the union of American states to fracture and split apart for a second time in our history.

    Obama’s second term will hasten if not initiate the break-up of the 50 “united states” of America.

    Why do I predict such a terrible thing? Because I am convinced, through the study of history, of the world, and especially of America, that circumstances are now paralleling those of the nineteenth century – circumstances that can lead to nothing short of secession for the people of those states that still revere the US Constitution and — more importantly – freedom.

    Obama, in a second term, in which he does not have to worry about reelection, will bring ruin to America – plain and simple.

    Regardless of what you read, see, and hear in the mainstream media of the US, the American people are in turmoil over the direction Obama and his henchmen are taking the US. Once the American people are fed up, they DO take action. An Obama second term, I am convinced, will be the catalyst for the break-up of the formerly “United” States.

    A number of states, all across the current Union are investigating their sovereignty and making efforts to reclaim their rightful place as a free and sovereign state (country) to which the federal government in Washington is answerable.

    Many states have learned that the federal government was established by the states to act as an agent of the states and to do the bidding of the states – not the way it is today with the federal government cracking the whip over the states which Washington considers fifty “precincts” of the federal government.

    One good thing is coming of all this: Those folks now investigating America’s history are beginning to have a great awakening to the real reasons why the states went to war with each other in the mid 1800’s. Yes! It WAS as the result of an OVERBEARING federal government.

    You would be wrong to conclude that southern states, alone, are reestablishing their sovereignty. No. This thirst for freedom is sweeping the vast majority of the country. Obama’s reelection will almost certainly spur the second secession movement into high gear and bring a period of tribulation to these shores as has not been seen since the early 1860’s.

    And it IS going to happen.

    The Republican Party is in a mess – to put it mildly! We sent the GOP a spine in the last election and they are rejecting it in the manner a human body will sometimes reject a transplanted organ or limb.

    Republicans: Do not be fooled. There is not a single electable presidential candidate among the lot from which we are being told we must choose. I include those announced, thinking about it, or “testing the waters.” Some in the media are referring to the GOP field of candidates as “weak and fractured.” I would add – hopeless!

    You know, I can remember when we had a presidential election every four years. Now, we have a presidential election… period. It never ends! Think the voters will get sick of elections soon? Ah-Ha! Now you are catching on!

    Reelecting Obama will be akin to the act of tossing gasoline on a fire… a fire that will consume that great “shining city set on a hill” — and burn it to the ground.

    J. D. Longstreet

    • 17 RacerJim April 4, 2011 at 8:38 am

      Obama announced his re-election campaign earlier this morning, and is expected to collect $1BILLION in campaign funds.

      I know of no Republican or Independent with the wherewithal to match that with the possible exception of Trump.

      God Save America

      • 18 Quantum Leap April 4, 2011 at 11:47 am

        Yes and he will have to pay his donors back with OUR TAX PROCEEDS like he did for his 2008 donors with the “bailout money”. HOW ELSE? F’N PIECE OF SHET THAT HE IS :mad:.
        Bail-out went to paying back his campaign debts. It was HIS PERSONAL BAIL-OUT.

        • 19 heather April 4, 2011 at 12:54 pm

          QL–you are absolutely right–that IS where the money went–soros and seiu and the arabs! He is giving our money away–he better not win–we won’t survive next time.

          The idiots who voted him in before better stay home this time—I already warned my brother NOT to let my neice, his daughter vote—she is not capable of making a rational decision.

      • 20 Lee M April 5, 2011 at 2:49 am

        What happened to the plan for States Attorneys to demand a birth certificate from ANYONE and EVERYONE before allowing them to file as a candidate for 2012? I thought that was a given, andnow all of a sudden I don’t see any state following through on it.

        Dr. Kate? Do you have anything on this?

        • 21 Lee M April 5, 2011 at 2:58 am

          Anyone who can’t show a BC should not be allowed on the ballot in any state? Are they all afraid to make this decision?I thought it was a done deal.

        • 22 drkate April 5, 2011 at 8:50 am

          There are 10 states that have this in process. Check Mario Apuzzo’s site for the list. I believe Obama is bribing the states…some have postponed the enactment of their laws until 2013 to protect Obama.

          • 23 Lee M April 5, 2011 at 11:18 pm

            Thank you, Dr. Kate. I will check Mario Apuzzo’s site and will visit here more often. I find you are up on all the things that most interest me. Including Donald Trump’s emergence in the field. Truth is mighty to behold. I mean this not only in relation to Trump, but to you also.

            • 24 drkate April 5, 2011 at 11:27 pm

              I love Trump’s brilliance on this…by slowly letting out what he knows he draws everyone into his trap. When the truth comes out it is really uplifting…and we have a long road ahead! Thanks for coming by!

  9. 25 April 4, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Wonderful results! According to the latest Newsmax poll a vast majority of Americans will vote for Donald Trump in 2012. 93% stated that Trump is correct to question Obama’s legitimacy as the U.S. president. All the other presidential candidates, including Obama-puppets of oligarchs, puppets of the establishment were in single digits. The other 9 Republican candidates got 0-8%. Obama got 9%

    Posted on | April 4, 2011

    Citizens for the Constitution;

    Because of Donald Trump asking the question ‘Where’s the Birth Certificate”, started a poll on Donald Trump for President. In just a few days, almost 200,000 people have voted, and the results are, shall we say, UNBELIEVABLE!

    I do believe we are on to something here, so may I suggest we all do our part to keep this ball rolling. If you haven’t yet voted, you can do so here:

    Donald Trump for President – Would You Vote for Him?
    Vote in This Urgent Poll

    The results can be seen below, but here are some of the more interesting stats:

    1. Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of Donald Trump? *required
    Favorable 141,305 (79%)
    Unfavorable 36,074 (20%)

    2. If the 2012 election were held today, who would you vote for?
    Donald Trump 124,066 (69%)Barack Obama 16,777 ( 9%)
    Other 37,257 (20%)

    3. In a Republican Primary, who would be your candidate for the nomination for president?Donald Trump 93,926 (54%)
    9 others (none over 8%)

    Read the rest of the sad news for the yellow-striped cowards who continue to support the usurpation of our Presidency and the Treason of Barack Hussein Obama – by ignoring the question on the minds of 275 million Americans.

    Do not let LTC Terry Lakin’s first asking the question that Donald Trump is being hailed for be in vain: can Obama, as the putative Commander in Chief, issue anything other than unlawful orders?

    Check out the poll results here and below:

  10. 26 usapatriots-shout April 4, 2011 at 10:16 am

    Tempest fugit.

    Between now and November 2, 2012 will reveal one of the most interesting and challenging periods in all of American history. This time is the last gasp America has to keep the foundation of the Republic as founded by our fathers or lose America forever to the Islamo/Communist/fascist dogs.

    This is war with an unidentified but very real enemy. Obama is merely their figure head. If we American patriots want to take back and restore America, we have less than 19 months to do it. We can be certain, the invisible enemy is working 24/7 to keep its stolen power over America. So we have to do the same and more. We no longer have the luxury of indulging in anything that isn’t an effort to complete our goal.

    Our goal is to replace the USURPER with a true capable American patriot. While we all have our separate choices of who should replace Obama, I am basing 100% of my choice upon which possible candidate will have the backbone to challenge Obama’s eligibility. So far the only person to do so is DONALD TRUMP. I will give Mr. Trump my 100% support and my vote as long as he continues to confront Obama on his eligibility.

    A is A. The first step in restoring America is to clarify the confusion about Obama’s legitimacy as President. Once that is done, it will save years of time and billions of dollars undoing the legacy of harmful policies Obama has left us. We have our work cut out for us. We must unite in a single minded purpose to support Mr. Trump. He is our best hope of defeating Obama.

  11. 28 AttilasDaughter April 4, 2011 at 10:29 am

    BuenaVistaMall have You not been an Obot last time around?

    Maybe I’m wrong, just want tell the others, because You provided links….

  12. 32 AttilasDaughter April 4, 2011 at 10:50 am

    here is a good article from AT.

    “Prior to Obama, we never had a person run, whether black or white, who was born to a foreign national father whose permanent residence was on another continent. Barack Obama, Jr. was not born into the status of undivided natural allegiance to the United States. Obama was born into dual citizenship status with conflicting loyalties.”

    • 33 sky April 4, 2011 at 11:12 am

      AIG is shariah is compliant. soros-inter oil-taxpayers money,,rockefeller 40 year plan-regional system,nine areas in the U.S.,there goes states rights.It takes freedom away from the electorate nobody voted for,these committees that regulate away our personal liberty,patriotactionnetwork,video

    • 36 RacerJim April 4, 2011 at 11:39 am

      An historic election indeed! First time in history that a presidential candidate/nominee publically proclaimed that his father was a British subject and Kenyan citizen and that his father’s British Nationality conveyed to him at birth, effectively publically announcing he is not a “natural born Citizen” (and therefore not eligible to serve as POTUS) BEFORE the election and got elected anyway! America — What a Country!

      • 37 heather April 4, 2011 at 12:58 pm

        Ditto–and not one single person in DC did a damn thing about it–and are still not.

        • 38 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 8:52 am

          Exactly — and that’s why every one of them is guilty of “Obstruction of Justice” at best and “Misprision of Treason” at worst.

    • 39 drkate April 4, 2011 at 2:38 pm

      they are getting there, BUT, they do not explicitly discuss how this effects his eligibility. Conflicting loyalties, good. Take the next step, AT

  13. 40 Quantum Leap April 4, 2011 at 11:15 am

    OT 😆
    Quotes from Michelle Bachmann(“Hu is your daddy,” she said of the Chinese President); 3.8 million, the number of words in the tax code (“Happy reading,” she said); $1.83, the price of a gallon of gasoline the day before Barack Obama took office. “Is it time for a change?” she prodded, and hundreds roared back. “Absolutely it’s time for a change.”

  14. 41 Guesswhat April 4, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Barry Soetero is as much a fraud as Madoff and his house of cards will soon fall down.

    We all tried to tell the voters what a fraud
    Barry Soetero was during his campaign but
    nobody would listen!!!! They ALL would
    rather believe his LIES!!! NOW, he’s
    transforming America from as we once knew it.
    NOW, that he has announced he is running in 2012, I hope and pray the VOTERS have awaken
    and see what a FRAUD Barry Soetero is!!! Just remember that Barry WILL use his LIES
    and “say what you want to hear” again in order to get your vote, AGAIN.!!

    • 42 RacerJim April 4, 2011 at 11:32 am

      I believe my 22yo nephew is all too typical of those who voted for Obama/Soetoro despite our telling them during his campaign what a fraud Obama/Soetoro was — a Kool-Aid impaired Obot then still a Kool-Aid impaired Obot.

    • 44 aprilnovember811 April 5, 2011 at 1:24 pm

      I would bet you that most of those that invested with Madoff voted for Obama.

  15. 45 Quantum Leap April 4, 2011 at 11:19 am

    “Beck said that Trump had been making him “a little uncomfortable here recently.” The reason: Trump’s claim that Obama doesn’t have a birth certificate and his statements that he would “pound” China. Granted, these would make plenty of people uncomfortable, but hearing the objection from Beck makes it a little more interesting. Beck followed it up with a call for candidates with substance: “I would hope that we could get serious candidates, who could shake things up by not saying provocative things, just by stating the truth of what’s going on.”

    Little wonder who is paying Beck’s salary and running his life.
    He seems to be on TV to distract us. He’s become irrelevant. He made a fortune off of stealing stories from bloggers.

  16. 46 Quantum Leap April 4, 2011 at 11:23 am

    Where you are born is where your allegiance is, like my granny. She was here in USA since she was 17 years old but her allegiance remained with Italy. No wishing or hoping could change the allegiance. It’s just one of those things. It is what it is. It stays where you were born and brought up.

    • 47 RacerJim April 4, 2011 at 11:48 am

      Indeed! And Obama has repeatedly demonstrated that his allegiance is NOT with America. For me, it all started with that photo of him et al Democratic primary candidates standing on a trailer, with him holding his hands over his crotch during the playing of our National Anthem…DISRESPECTFUL UNPATRIOTIC POS!!!!

  17. 49 Quantum Leap April 4, 2011 at 11:36 am

    The kids and the Dumb shets are going to “fight” for his re-election.


  18. 52 Quantum Leap April 4, 2011 at 11:55 am

    I’d vote for Pee Wee Herman if I knew he could beat lazy-arsed obama. Anyone would do at this point.

  19. 56 ChrisD April 4, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Wow, more stupid birther bullshit.

    • 57 anonymouse April 4, 2011 at 12:44 pm

      I’m a proud birther constitutionalist and right on the money. You are a constitution killer and enemy.

      • 58 Troy April 4, 2011 at 12:50 pm

        Hey, Chrissy!…The only bullshit around here is between your brainwashed ears…It’s called a “big steaming pile of Obullshit.”

    • 59 heather April 4, 2011 at 1:02 pm

      Oh another entitlee who thinks she doesn’t have to work and earn her own way–what a mouch–take a long hike off of here–you are certainly not a American Patriot!

    • 60 drkate April 4, 2011 at 2:43 pm

      Hey Chrissie, you are now in spam. So STFU and pay my mortgage.

      • 61 heather April 4, 2011 at 3:36 pm

        lmao!!! pay mine too!!

      • 62 Katie April 4, 2011 at 5:53 pm

        CLASSIC RESPONSE, Dr. Kate!!!!!

        I’m going to start using that or a variation with all the obots.

        Where’s my check??? I deserve it and it’s only fair!!

        Where’s my share???? STFU and give me your money!!!!

        (Now I have to go wash my computer keyboard – it’s mad at me for even typing such hogwash.)

    • 63 Quantum Leap April 4, 2011 at 8:44 pm

      Why can’t he produce a birth certificate lame brained obot? Answer us. You are the one who is full of shit.

      obama can’t be trusted. obama can’t be trusted by his enemies. obama can’t be trusted by his friends. obama cant be trusted.

      -quote of a well known democrat ‘’

      For years Big Media has pretended not to know the difference between a Birth Certificate and a Certificate of Live Birth. This pretend stupidity has been in service to the protection of Barack Obama.

      For years Big Media has betrayed the journalism profession, consumers of news, and the American people by not demanding a source document – instead engaging in duplicity by saying that the source document has already been produced and smearing (Birther!) anyone who demands to see a source document. If it was Richard Nixon, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Sarah Palin, or George W. Bush Big Media would scream “Trust but Verify.” But for Obama the Big Media cry is “Preserve And Protect“.

      Recently Donald Trump entered the fray and demanded, in a very high profile manner, to see the Obama Birth Certificate. Donald Trump (not one of our favorites at all) was immediately smeared.

      This a great article and the best is here–>

      She writes about how everyone is pretending they have no idea what a NBC is and pretending they released his BC.(very good writer and funny too.)

      Now someone upstream says they scrubbed the phony COLB from fact check. ROTFLMAO. 😆

      • 64 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 9:33 am

        Thanks for the link QL. Great article indeed! Makes it as clear as clear can be that the lefties know perfectly well what “natural born Citizen” means and that Obama has not released his actual BC. has indeed scrubbed Obama’s phoney COLB from its web-site. One gone, three more to go! ROTFLMAO 🙂

  20. 65 ARMY D.A.V. April 4, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Atty Mario Apuzzo will be on the Terry Lakin Action Fund Radio Show hosted by Marco Ciavolino – Monday 4 April 2011 at 3 p.m. EST

  21. 66 Jan April 4, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    at the web site, scroll below the map and check out how many years these congress critters have been in office. No wonder we can’t get anything accomplished!!!!!!!!!

  22. 67 anonymouse April 4, 2011 at 12:52 pm

    Even though the enemedia moderator keeps deleting them, 100% of the posts are anti-Obama for his 2012 Campaign bid. His slogan is “Are You In?” … one blogger wrote, “that’s what Michelle says!”

    • 68 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 9:39 am

      I just posted there…”Born A Brit – Not Legit”

      Mine was the 3rd post…all anti-Obama. 🙂

  23. 69 ARMY D.A.V. April 4, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    Obama Announces Reelection Bid

    Bluff .

  24. 70 anonymouse April 4, 2011 at 1:40 pm

    Some off-the-wall stuff

    These are funny, well no more funny than the one Obama put out…

    Did you notice he had a cap, front right tooth?

    I like this picture

    Did you know Anderson Cooper is Gloria Vanderbilt’s son? I read that recently.

    • 71 bdwilcox April 4, 2011 at 5:12 pm

      Not only is Anderson Cooper a Vanderbilt (whose lineage is connected to the Illuminati), he’s a CIA agent who promulgates Operation Mockingbird on CNN. This is most obviously seen when he vehemently attacks those who question Barack Hussein Obama Soetoro Soebarkah’s legitimacy during any of his so-called “interviews” on CNN. You can find any of these “interviews” on YouTube but I won’t even link to them they’re such hack pieces. One thing the CIA didn’t teach him is subtlety…

      CNN has a long history of acting as a mouthpiece for US government intelligence agencies, most notably when French intelligence outed Army Psy-Ops agents working within CNN and NPR.

  25. 72 Troy April 4, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    The jackass Dems keep spouting off and bragging that the Obutthole campaign will take in and spend a BILLION dollars for the 2012 run…..I would think that that fact alone (if they really do piss away a $1,000,000,000,000.00) would be enough to turn off any level headed voter, considering the whole country is experiencing financial woes…..I think that bragging on this obscene fact should ans will backfire on them.

    • 73 sky April 4, 2011 at 3:20 pm

      Cair-Chief designs to run u.s. revealed who’s the better than the muslims Awad asks to lead christian-judeo-islamic nation worldnet daily

    • 74 drkate April 4, 2011 at 3:48 pm

      I agree. And we should make hay about it too…”dems can’t balance the budget but they want 1 billion more of your money”…also I believe we need to set up an FEC watchdog right now and challenge his campaign contributions. Whatever dem is planning on being the chair of the convention we need to harass them day and night about signing documents like Pelousy did to lie to the states so obutt could get on the ballot…

      • 75 Sallyal April 4, 2011 at 5:34 pm

        Who would it be next year to sign the nomination certificate? Pelousi again as the “leader of the dems”? We will have to challenge every step of the way this time. Will Boehner have anything to do with it as SOTH?

        • 76 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 12:31 pm

          If, IF, Obama is the Democratic nominee for POTUS in 2012 the first person to keep a very close eye on will be whomever is the Chairperson of the Democratic Party of Hawaii come time for them to certify to the Hawaii Board of Elections that he is eligible “under provisions of the United States Constittution.”

      • 77 sky April 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm

        I wonder what chuck norris thinks about rothschilds,soros,@obama?

        • 78 heather April 4, 2011 at 6:55 pm

          I love Chuck Norris – an honest, loyal God fearing man! I’m sure he knows about them and surely behind closed doors those names bounce off the walls.

          He probably is saying, If only I was Walker, The Texas Ranger, I would arrest them all and never let them go!

      • 79 heather April 4, 2011 at 6:44 pm


      • 80 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 12:32 pm

        I second your agreement with Troy. 🙂

  26. 81 Jan April 4, 2011 at 5:44 pm

    Bernie Goldberg just announced on FOX that Trump has stated he is definitely going to run.

  27. 91 ARMY D.A.V. April 4, 2011 at 6:30 pm

    Trump 56% ……………………….shames the rest of the field .

    • 92 drkate April 4, 2011 at 6:40 pm

      wow, its not even close!

      • 93 ARMY D.A.V. April 4, 2011 at 7:32 pm

        I’m still a little worried about FOX getting involved and making him an offer he can’t refuse.

        • 94 anonymouse April 4, 2011 at 9:03 pm

          Trumpy is at the legacy phase of his life, he wants to actually leave a country to his grandkids. What good are some greenbacks when the communists take over?

  28. 95 heather April 4, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    From the P&E-

    Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.

    I would say that he never was a US Citizen, not NBC, not naturalized either–since his mother did not meet the requirements due to her age.

    If his Kenyan citizenship expired, then he is only and Indonesian citizen!

    Any way you look at him, it is impossible for him to be a NBC of America. End of him!

    • 96 drkate April 4, 2011 at 7:45 pm

      And, this will not even be true if Obama’s visit to Kenya after his pakistan visit in 1981…where he renewed his kenyan citizenship. And see, it doesn’t matter at all, even if it did expire. This is a desperate Obot diversion to talk about that and expiration of citizenships, etc, its just a lie. And these people are carrying water for obama they don’t even know him. they are desperate and dont want to admit he suckerpunched them too

      • 97 ARMY D.A.V. April 4, 2011 at 8:32 pm

        Getting dizzy , no I think it’s vertigo . I thought we were circling the wagons , no we’re really going around in circles.

        Birth Certificate AND history , he has neither , failure to prove his identity is a crime , failure to enforce = no law = no Constitution = no Republic = Banana Republic.

        = I’m going to bed , good night all .

  29. 98 Jan April 4, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Sent to me by a good friend:









  30. 99 tiger 7 April 4, 2011 at 7:35 pm

    THE GLOVES SHOULD COME OFF NOW THAT bho is candidate SOB. We’ll see who has the guts to raise the real issues.
    Recent events are remiscient of FDR in that he would pull the old pol’s trick of proposing something terrible, and then back down a little so he would look benevalent.
    GO Donald!!!

    • 100 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 10:27 am

      Whomever challenges Obama should focus their campaign on the REAL issue…Obama’s ineligibility…and keep it there no matter what.

      They should point out, emphatically and repeatedly, that Obama knew/knows full-well that he was/is not eligible to serve as POTUS but had/has so little respect for the U.S. Constitution and/or the Office of the Presidency that he ran for and serves as POTUS anyway. It goes to Obama’s inherant/natural allegiance to and faith in America…his complete, total and utter lack thereof.

  31. 101 bill April 4, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    quote by Orly Taitz on her website:Update. My pleadings were received at the USDC in LA. there may be tampering with my mail in DC

    my comment:
    Just a thought but do any of you remember the
    big scare of “Anthrax” that was alleged to have been sent to Tom Daschle via mail ?
    I didn’t think of it then but with the known corruption
    that has been going on in government now,Was this
    just a ruse for a “clearing house” for mail to be checked for not only hazardous materials but hazardous information as well ? Think about it and you may come up with your own conclusions.I also would suggest if you want to send
    a letter to your Rep.,use the link below to find a mailing address ,other than D.C. cheers

  32. 102 Quantum Leap April 4, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    Where’s my perks? Obots didn’t get any either. Obathsit promised to pay our gas and mortgage. He promised to bring all the troops home by summer of 2009. He promised to close Gitmo. He made so many promises it made everyone faint. How many have been fullfilled to date? NONE…ZERO…NADA…ZILCH. obots have been punked. LOL 😆

    Vote for him in 2012 so we can all get more of the same…..ZERO.

    Here is what we got from him. High gas prices. High food prices (example: 8 bucks for a whole chicken?)A new war to fight. An oil spill that gushed for months polluting the ocean while obatshit played ball and traveled.
    He put us 5 trillion more in debt and we were only 250 billion in debt when he took over.
    He’s having the time of his life while the country goes to shit.
    Add more to the list if you dare. The list is longer than posted here.
    obatshit is nothing more than a despicable babboon politician. (babboon as in :reference to his mentality. —>If you thought it was a reference to his skin color, then you have a dirty mind and having thought it and it is how you think and that makes YOU the racist.) 😆


    • 103 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 10:30 am

      My 22yo Obot nephew is tee-totally pissed off at Obama for using military force in Libya. But he’s going to vote for Obama again anyway.

      • 104 drkate April 5, 2011 at 10:49 am

        How about telling him that he is likely to be drafted for the ‘boots on the ground’ option that Obama has painted himself into to a corner on? If he loves Obama, he can go and fight his wars for him. Because that is true! Obama will not hesitate!

        • 105 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 12:21 pm

          My Obot nephew is a Junior at American (LIBERAL) University in Washington (LIBERAL) DC majoring in Political (LIBERAL) Science and would apply for a student deferment from Obama’s “draft”. Fight for his country? You jest of course!

          • 106 thinkwell April 5, 2011 at 9:15 pm

            Hello Racer Jim,

            Are you located in Washington State in the Seattle area? This is my home state and it is dominated by Seattle, which is so depressingly in Obama’s pocket. If you live in the area, I hope you have chanced to have seen my car during my commute. I place 11×17 inch political signs in either side of my rear window during my commute. Right now they read:

            Usurper Out!


            Born a Brit?
            NOT Legit
            honk to
            Boot Obama Now!

            Sometimes I have one about LtC Lakin.

            These days I get much more thumbs ups and friendly honks than frowns and middle fingers.

      • 107 Quantum Leap April 5, 2011 at 2:30 pm

        Tell him that he’ll get drafted, which he will, and will be the generation to live as third world people and have to pay back the unsustainable debt that BHO has created. The tea partiers will not be the ones to be stuck with that bill. They reach retirement first. THINK!

        BHO will be long gone and living off his riches when the punks who voted him in will be eating beans and rice and working for the goobermint for a small stipend. Now your obot nephew ends up to be a perpetual and lifelong slave.

  33. 108 Quantum Leap April 4, 2011 at 9:30 pm

    I installed the new inferior ‘mercury’ light bulbs in a couple of my lights a while back to try them out and when they burned out I had to have the Haz-Mat team come out to remove them and dispose of them ‘properly’ as they can burst in your hand and are highly poisonous. There is absolutely no savings and it turns out that they are much more costly. Plus the Haz-Mat charge on top of all that was more than I can bear. So stock up on regular light bulbs even at the risk of going onto the DHS list of ‘terrorists’ LOL

    Where’s Waldo the BC?

    • 109 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 1:12 pm

      About a week ago I was at Home Depot buying some replacement incandescent bulbs when a guy came up beside me and told me I should be buying CFLs instead. When I asked him why he said because they use less energy and cost less over the long-term. I then asked him why he was buying so many (about 10) and, with a completely straight face, he said to replace the ones he bought last year. I then mentioned that the last bulb manufacturing plant in the U.S. had just been closed down putting another 350 Americans out of work because EPA regs make it vertually impossible to manufacture CFLs in the U.S. He just shrugged and said I better get used to it. A$$HOLE Lib

      • 110 Quantum Leap April 5, 2011 at 2:24 pm

        He shrugged because as a lame HD worker, as most of them are, knows that the creep in chief closed that light bulb factory down under the guise of “green” energy. The real reason: so they can continue on with his monopolies. Monopolies are the end game for this pig in the WH. Monopolies are and aways have been seriously against the law.

  34. 111 Tenacity April 4, 2011 at 10:08 pm

    Happy New Year!! That’s right, it is now 6014. My new year’s resolution is to implement the Biblical calendar into my life as much as possible this year. The papal calendar is designed to have us worshiping the gods instead of God. So can anyone tell me when Passover or the real resurrection day is? Your first clue is that it is not when the pope says it is.

    Speaking of the Vatican…did you know that the UCC is based upon Vatican law? Like Pat Shannan says, “Everything They* Ever Told Me Was a Lie.”

    • 113 DABIG April 4, 2011 at 10:55 pm

      Priceless, Quantum Leap, Priceless.

      • 114 bdwilcox April 5, 2011 at 12:35 am

        Roland Martin looks like one of those little yippy dogs that shakes and bugs its eyes out as it tries to bite your ankles.

        • 115 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 10:50 am

          Roland Martin is just another lying Obot. No Hawaii official has publically verified the authencity of any of the four desparate versions of Obama’s “Certification of Live Birth”. The simple fact that there are four desparate versions in and of itself means at least three are fakes, and doesn’t necessarily mean the remaining one is real.

  35. 116 DABIG April 4, 2011 at 10:50 pm

    This is a MUST watch short video.
    The french are fighting back! With a warning to the rest of the world. We’ve seen the recent pics out of the UK, wait till you see this.

    Thank you.

    • 117 drkate April 5, 2011 at 12:14 am

      Good one. Its time we do this now. Patriotic Pork Protests/cocktail hour, friday nights, all cities

    • 118 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 11:45 am

      Thank you DABIG. THAT is indeed a MUST WATCH short video.

      We can only hope that more and more “We the people…” heed the warning from the French before its too late.

    • 119 heather April 5, 2011 at 1:38 pm

      Well they had to have their political correctness or was this a made up joke on us? BS–these muslims, don’t work-what skills do they have if any–I know of no company that would allow anyone in the streets or at the work place to pray 5 times a day on their knees. These people are unproductive to say the least and just an excuse to spread islam and collect on the backs of the tax payers! More entitlees….wonder how the hispanics and blacks feel about this!

      Good for the French–throw that pig blood and pork roasts and have a BBQ in the streets while they are on their knees–blocking everyone and showing that they think they have the upper hand. I am sick of these people–they are whiners and babies who reproduce for more welfare money and still have the audacity to shop in Macys!

      • 120 drkate April 5, 2011 at 1:43 pm

        Looks like all they know is ‘asses up’ and heads in the sand. This is how they take over, already doing it in NY. Welfare babies.

  36. 121 Jan April 4, 2011 at 11:31 pm

    Canada turns off their monitors and the FDA increases the safety levels
    regarding the radiation being released into the ocean from Japan

  37. 122 anonymouse April 5, 2011 at 1:58 am

    What a weak campaign ad…what is he really up to?


    Trump has exposed him, there’s no way he can win, so what is he up to?

    • 123 AttilasDaughter April 5, 2011 at 9:09 am

      Nice film 🙂

      And as usual (’08) no issues, just feel good stuff.

      In 2012 he will not have the chanting crowds, unless they are 100% paid for. His campaign knows that, that’s why they need a billion bucks.

      Obama is such a pathetic liar, race baiter and weakling.
      I think Donald Trump has a very good chance.

      Generally I am a Ron Paul person, but I know TPTB will never allow that to happen.
      Trump’s the man.

    • 126 sky April 5, 2011 at 12:01 pm

      someone needs to pay her 20 million,like the saudi’s paid barry’s deploma at harvard.How easy it was to get a free education.

    • 127 Quantum Leap April 5, 2011 at 2:10 pm

      LOL. she stuck a chunk of that rag into the burning bowl. 😆

    • 128 RichT April 5, 2011 at 6:50 pm

      Here is a good analysis & advice from Kerodin on “Our Fight” Go to the site ofr the links in the article.

      At any time any of us can be and probably are, on the radar. How much we stick up, depends on how hard they work to hammer us back down.

      Don’t be a statistic because you think it can’t happen to me. anything is a weapon, just don’t freeze.

      III: This is our Fight, Now
      by Hellesponte & Kerodin
      April 5, 2011

      Ann Barnhardt. Here is her link.

      Now I speak directly to the III Community:

      If you consider yourself a III Patriot, go to each of our blogs and columnists and make sure they are aboard this action. Make sure they throw their weight behind Ann Barnhardt. If you find a III blog that is silent on this issue, throw them an email.

      Rattle their cages until they get aboard.

      There is NO EXCUSE for any III Patriot to stand aside while this woman is in harms way. It is unforgivable.

      We have all been searching for action…and this woman took action. And now she is in deep…perhaps deeper than she knows, perhaps not. If your sister did this, wouldn’t you want every III Patriot at her back?

      We are not talking about web stats. We are not talking about our own Ego. We are talking about the life of an American woman who has dared death for us and for principles we hold dear.

      The Trainer recently discussed Ego. Now it is time to prove that we respect that message, and every single III Patriot needs to do their part to help protect this woman’s life. We need not, yet, pitch camp in her back yard…we can do tremendous work on her behalf right from our keyboards.

      She was introduced to me via WRSA – where I learn about quite a bit of important information. Here is a WRSA link to an evolving potential event to support Ann’s selfless act.

      Predictions? It won’t take long before FBI pulls her aside and informs her of the chatter, and she’ll be given a security detail. The woman is now on the radar, and she will not survive for long if we do not have her back.

      Islam will come for her, and they will feel that Mo’ and Allah have their backs. Remember Dan Pearl.

      How do we cover her back? She suggested that we follow her actions. Not bad advice, from a perspective of trying to dilute the hatred that will be focused on her. We can also follow CA’s lead and spread her name far and wide. While that is a double-edged sword, it is the only prudent path at the moment.

      Let’s help push her far enough into the mainstream consciousness that no politician would dare permit her to be harmed. That is what she needs now. She needs to have the support of enough Americans that our Political Class understands that if they do not protect her as one of their own, that kid in Tunisia who set himself afire and started the Islamic uprisings of recent months will pale in comparison to what patriotic Americans will unleash if she is harmed.

      I have a friend in Tennessee who understands the power of the Martyr, the ability to move civilizations upon the blood of an innocent. As he points out, Jesus understood. MLK understood.

      Ann Barnhardt has set herself in the crosshairs.

      We need not lose her to understand her value.

  38. 129 RichT April 5, 2011 at 4:55 am

    Don’t be a SUCKA!!!!!!

    Go read the rest

    A History of Dhimmitude

    Dhimmitude in History

    Dhimmitude can only be understood in the context of jihad, because it originates from this ideology. Infidels who submit without fighting to the Islamic armies, are granted a pledge of security. They are protected from the jihad laws against infidels which command killing, slavery, ransom or deportation for the enemies. Peace and security for non-Muslims are recognised only after their submission. Protection status is provided through the Islamization of conquered lands.
    Rules of dhimmitude

    The vanquished non-Muslims peoples are granted security for their life and possessions, as well as a relative self-autonomous administration and limited religious rights according to the modalities of the conquest. These rights are subject to two conditions: the payment of a poll tax (the jizya) and submission to the provisions of Islamic law.

    The concept of toleration is linked to a number of discriminatory obligations in the economic, religious and social fields, imposed by the shari’a on the dhimmis. The transgression by the dhimmis of some of these obligations, abolished their protection, and threaten them with death or slavery. Dhimmis suffered many legal disabilities intended to reduce them to a condition of humiliation, segregation and discrimination. These rules, established from the eight to nine centuries by the founders of the four schools of Islamic law, set the pattern of the Muslim’s community’s social behavior toward dhimmis.

    Jews and Christians are referred to as the People of the Book, they share the same legal status, while other religious group – like the Zoroastrians for instance – were more despised and treated harsher.

  39. 132 RichT April 5, 2011 at 5:01 am

    Another example of TRAITORS…

    Was that to harsh?

    How about this: May these rat bastards rot in hell after they have swung form a rope soaked in pig shit and their families swing with them.

    Statement by ISAF Commander Gen. David Petraeus and NATO SCR Ambassador Mark Sedwill

    International Security Assistance Force
    ISAF Headquarters Public Affairs

    KABUL, Afghanistan (April 3, 2011) — In view of the events of recent days, we feel it is important on behalf of ISAF and NATO members in Afghanistan to reiterate our condemnation of any disrespect to the Holy Qur’an and the Muslim faith. We condemn, in particular, the action of an individual in the United States who recently burned the Holy Qur’an.

    We also offer condolences to the families of all those injured and killed in violence which occurred in the wake of the burning of the Holy Qur’an.

    We further hope the Afghan people understand that the actions of a small number of individuals, who have been extremely disrespectful to the Holy Qur’an, are not representative of any of the countries of the international community who are in Afghanistan to help the Afghan people. [italics added]

    As you can see, Gen. Petraeus also identifies the Koran as a holy book — just as if it were his own venerated scripture. Heck, for all I know, it might be.

    Also notice that those individuals who burned the Koran are accounted culpable, and considered responsible for their actions, while the bombers and murderers and beheaders are like a natural disaster that “occurred in the wake of the burning of the Holy Qur’an”.

    If this is the response of our brave men in uniform, you can imagine what their Commander-in-Chief is saying. Here’s the full text of a statement released yesterday by Barack Hussein Obama:

    Today, the American people honor those who were lost in the attack on the United Nations in Mazar-e-Sharif, Afghanistan.

    Once again, we extend our deepest condolences to the families and loved ones of those who were killed, and to the people of the nations that they came from.

    The desecration of any holy text, including the Koran, is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry. However, to attack and kill innocent people in response is outrageous, and an affront to human decency and dignity.

    No religion tolerates the slaughter and beheading of innocent people, and there is no justification for such a dishonorable and deplorable act.

    Now is a time to draw upon the common humanity that we share, and that was so exemplified by the UN workers who lost their lives trying to help the people of Afghanistan. [italics added]

    Once again, we are called to “honor those who were lost in the attack”, as if it were a tsunami or a forest fire. And the reference is to “those who were killed”, using the passive voice — no agentive is involved.

    Mr. Obama, like the generals and the UN envoy, considers the Koran to be a “holy text”. If I didn’t know him to be a Christian, I would assume the president was speaking as a Muslim himself. And if that were the case, the statement “No religion tolerates the slaughter and beheading of innocent people” would be an instance of kitman, deliberate misdirection — under sharia, non-Muslims cannot be innocent. They are all kuffar, who are by definition guilty. Killing non-believers is not always mandatory, but a Muslim who does so cannot be punished under Islamic law except under certain narrowly-defined circumstances.

    What all these official pronouncements have in common is that they grant no agency to the Muslims who commit violent atrocities. The murderers of Kandahar and Mazar-i-Sharif are not responsible for their behavior.

    But Terry Jones is responsible for what he does. He is judged culpable for his “desecration”. The violence that follows is like the wind and the rain — it just happens. It’s tragic but inevitable, once the flames rise up from the pages of the book. There’s nothing that can be done about it.

    We expect that brand of nonsense from Muslims — their watchword is inshallah, after all. But to hear it from our own political and military leaders is appalling.

    • 133 drkate April 5, 2011 at 8:54 am

      I am disgusted and revolted by this. These people are leeches. Obama lies on his face…’no religion tolerates the killing of innocents’–bullshit, that is the mark of “islam”.

      • 134 sky April 5, 2011 at 1:23 pm

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      • 135 JanH April 5, 2011 at 2:23 pm

        Obama lies on his face…’no religion tolerates the killing of innocents’–bullshit, that is the mark of “islam”.

        Oh nonononono. That’s perfectly consistent! They don’t kill innocents. They kill those who refuse to submit, or who otherwise violate the tenets of islam and therefore show themselves to be guilty of having the worst things imaginable done to them. Hardly innocent (if you ask a muslim).

        There is clearly a misunderstanding here. You’ve just got to learn what the real definition if “innocent” is. I mean the real definition of it today. According to this imam. Or that one….

    • 137 Paula April 5, 2011 at 9:34 am

      Have our governments and the media been bought off and bribed by the arab muslims and this is why we see them kowtowing to islam, feining peace and holiness with regards to this political ideology? Any thinking American that can and will read THE Holy Bible, THE Word of God, can see that islam is anything but peaceful and holy!

    • 138 RacerJim April 5, 2011 at 12:13 pm

      Appalling? How about traiterous?

    • 139 heather April 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm

      I guess they have all submitted to allah and have become muslims for islam. Sounds like this to me.

      Our constitution is clear about separation of church and state so these fake frauds can step down now and stop raming islam down our throats–WE ARE A COUNTRY BUILT ON CHRISTIANITY NOTHING MORE!

      STHU and sit down and step down all of you freakn traitors.

  40. 142 AttilasDaughter April 5, 2011 at 8:58 am

    I think, now after the kick off of the WTF campaign, Obama will release a birth certificate.
    Fact check has already made room for it, LOL!
    Then nobody will ever see it or get a neutral examination, just the media shills can now refer to a new picture on the internet.
    A campaign ad, as jbjd puts it.
    The charade will go on.
    Donald Trump needs to get the question about dual citizenship out there.

  41. 143 Rene Messier April 5, 2011 at 9:07 am


    Re your question about Passover which is to be kept on the 14th of Nisan. This year it is to be kept on the evening of the 17th of April after sunset. Passover day is the 18th.
    The resurrection occurred Saturday late afternoon prior to sunset since Christ was crucified on Wednesday of that week in 31 AD. When the woman went to he grave early Sunday while it was still dark , He was already resurrected.

    • 145 Quantum Leap April 5, 2011 at 1:50 pm

      I will not vote if I have only Romney to vote for.
      The story seemed out in left field. Watch for all the lies coming out with ‘polling’

      It’s like saying the jobless rate is 8.8% when it’s really more like 22%. POLLS LIE.

      • 146 heather April 5, 2011 at 2:59 pm

        I am with you on this–I will not vote for either one of them–let’s hope and Trump wins the nomination! If Trump continues to clarify that he will bring america back and stop the theft I think he has a fantastic chance of winning.

        All the msm will propagandise barry for all its worth and soros will pay them off–but we MUST let truth, loyalty, and love of country be Trumps mantra.

  42. 148 Rosemary Woodhouse April 5, 2011 at 10:04 am

    Rene Messier April 5, 2011 at 9:07 am


    Re your question about Passover which is to be kept on the 14th of Nisan. This year it is to be kept on the evening of the 17th of April after sunset. Passover day is the 18th.
    The resurrection occurred Saturday late afternoon prior to sunset since Christ was crucified on Wednesday of that week in 31 AD. When the woman went to he grave early Sunday while it was still dark , He was already resurrected.

    Where did you learn this, may I ask? It in a rather unconventional belief and one which I’ve heard before and am apt to believe. Three days and three nights in the grave equate to a Saturday (Jewish Sabbath) resurrection. And since Easter is of pagan origin (named for the goddess Ashtar, goddess of fertility and sex with its concomitant symbolism: eggs and bunnies, this rings true. Yet another Christian celebration co-opted and co-mingled with paganism. Then again, is anyone surprised? Obfuscation of God’s truth and law designed to lead believers astray is “the game”.

  43. 150 usapatriots-shout April 5, 2011 at 10:12 am

    It’s official—TRUMP IS GOING TO RUN!

    Bernie Goldberg announced last night on O’Slyly’s unfair and unbalanced program.

    Already, people are speculating what party and who will be running with Trump. Some have suggested that Herman Cain run with Trump. Others have suggested Trump run on The Constitutional Party, a third party.

    The following are short excerpts from my response to some of them:

    Since time is of the essence, we don’t have the luxury of starting a new and more ideologically satisfactory party.
    Mr. Trump’s running mate –it appears to be at this date—will be General Valelley. Honestly, knowing the General’s support for LC. Lakin, as well as his long and glorious track record, he is an excellent choice. What can be more American than a successful capitalist and a super patriotic military General? They will really make the Obama factor look the like the anti-American Commies they are.

    Democrats and Republicans are simply opposite sides of the same coin. That is what is so. So what. The Republicans –for the sake of this election—have the greatest potential of garnering the greatest financial support and the greatest number of votes simply based upon citizen recognition. Since this will be the most critical election in all the history of America, we cannot afford the luxury of experimentation at this time. There is NO NAME RECOGNITION OF THE CONSITUTIONAL PARTY. We need to take ADVANTAGE of every tool, technique, idea, dollar, publicity, and American frustration we have got to UNITE AND DEFEAT THE MONSTER IN THE WH AND HIS LEGION OF MERCENARY SUPPORTERS.

    Donald Trump will run with General Vallely on the Republican Party. THIS IS THE GAME PLAN. IT IS OUR JOB TO GET BEHIND THAT AND PROTECT THE REPUBLIC OF THE UNITED STATES.


    Lots of people have not heard of the Constitution Party. Your idea because it is the “CONSTITUTION” it is above criticism is a little naive. Ever since Obama has come into office people who show too much support for the Constitution have been seriously denigrated. In Janet Napolitano’s long list of what makes up “Homeland terrorist” –“people who have too strong a support for the Constitution are named as homeland terrorists in that report. So running under the CP for Mr. Trump could be a detriment.

    True Mr. Trump’s wealth is mighty but it takes twice as much money to pay for a successful campaign when running against an incumbent. Obama doesn’t care how much it will cost to get himself reelected. Trump needs all the outside financial support the can garner. Main stream media will be doing everything to support Obama while simultaneously demonizing Trump.


    • 152 sky April 5, 2011 at 10:26 am

      Will Bretton Woods Shock U.S. Economy? remake global system? worldnetdaily, soros & Jeff sachs,4-8-11-4-11-11,These socialist thugs need to be stopped.This isnt good for our country or the world,its only good for the greedy elitist,socialist bankers,IMF,WB,FED,Unions,& the IRS.This is nothing but treason.

    • 153 heather April 5, 2011 at 1:08 pm

      Jan–do you know if this agent ever released any of this information to anyone? It seems as if he has full knowledge of barry soetoro’s life.

    • 155 Quantum Leap April 5, 2011 at 1:25 pm

      That’s from a PUMA site. The PUMA’s (dems who don’t support the usurper)are still in the fight. They are sniffing out the goods on the fraudulent won.

      • 156 Jan April 5, 2011 at 6:13 pm

        I have no idea if he has talked to anyone else. I put it here hoping someone had some more info on him.

    • 158 drkate April 5, 2011 at 10:43 am

      Obama sends the CIA into ‘vet’ the opposition, after the fact…yes, CIA, how about vetting the imposter in the WH?

  44. 159 Noway2no April 5, 2011 at 11:07 am

    It is really unpleasant to admit to yourself that this fraud has taken place. I remember when I finally accepted the reality that we have an active usurpation of the presidency going on. I don’t blame people for not wanting to admit it; it is painful.

    The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Owhatever, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. The Obots who worship this poser without a past are the real problem. Where did they come from? How did they come to hate this country so deeply? How do they function as adults without even basic curiosity or critical thinking?

    Then there are the people in front of the facade who gleefully participated this usurpation and the crooks behind the facade who really pulled this off. I do wonder why him? Why did they need a third world punk to be the tip of the spear for this evil plan? So many questions so few answers.

    To paraphrase Churchill: “Proving him to be a fraud is not the end or even the beginning of the end but merely the end of the beginning”.

  45. 160 Rene April 5, 2011 at 12:10 pm


    The only sign Christ gave of his messiahship was the sign of Jonah who was three days and tree nights in the belly of the fish. You either beleive the bible or you don’t . A six year old could tell you that you cannot have thee days and three nights beteween Friday late afternoon to Sunday morning acording to some beleifs regardung the Good Friday Easter SundaY tradition. C’est impossible.
    Since He was allready resurected by Sunday morning you have to go to Saturday late afternoon for the time of His ressurection and work backwards 72 hours which makes it Wednesday.
    If you look at thE Hebrew calender for 31 AD there was an annnual Holy day in that week on Thursday which is the First Day of Unleavened bread. ( Lev 23 outlines the annual holy days. ) There has been some confussion because of this but John ( Epistle ) states that that Sabbath in the middle of the week was a HIGH day making it an annual Sabbath.
    This is something many do not know or haven’t bothered to look into. You are corect about Easter being of Pagan origin and the Bible doen’r sanction the traditional holidays nor sunday worship but the Sabbath and Annual Holy Days.( seven in total)
    The foundation for this is Christ, the prophets and the New Testamnent Church and if you read the latter chapters of Ezekiel you will see they will continue to be kept in the millenium when Christ rules this world.

    Talk about deception, Revelation tells us Satan deceives the whole world.

    Final quote. If you knew you were deceived you wouldn’t be.

  46. 161 aprilnovember811 April 5, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    General Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Birth Certificate Officially Filed
    Scroll to page 4.

  47. 162 Rene April 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm

    Dr.Kate you are to be lauded and congratulated for the clear and distinct manner in presenting the eligibility issue to your readers. Although I am not an American I totally agree with 90% of the posts here and the information available. You have a tremendously difficult task ahead in view of the corruption not only in Washington but the Executive branch , Judiciary and lame stream media aiding and abetting a common criminal in the White House.
    Not ONE Senator or Congressman has said anything about your punitive leader’s eligibility. The only voice out there currently if Donald Trump whom I see as your only hope and the Trump- Valley ticket in my view from a distance is quite formidable.
    Keep up the pressure guys , hopefully in the end you will prevail.

  48. 164 anonymouse April 5, 2011 at 4:28 pm

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  49. 165 Voco Indubium April 5, 2011 at 4:34 pm

    RE: “ (Paula) -……Prepare For O’s Second Term: PRAY! And he WILL WIN! … … Republican Party has no one with a snowball’s chance in Hades of winning against the tsunami of leftist, … to insure O’s reelection…. ”

    Any GOP candidate who does not use the eligibility will loose. The regime will raise $ 1 B for the campaign. No GOP candidate will be able to match that, maybe not even The Donald. Furthermore, the media will support O as always, and ridicule and personally attack any opponent. It is an uphill battle for any GOP candidate.

    RE: “….It is a crying shame the GOP has lost its will to fight. … had emasculated the fighting spirit of the GOP ….”.

    True, but it is worse than that. The GOP’s internal policy is avoiding the eligibility, because the leadership believes that the issue would hurt the 2012-GOP candidates.

    Of course, this is a misconception. The GOP can only win the White House using, on the silver-platter presented, eligibility issue. So far, only The Donald is pocking at that platter (not taking full advantage of it.) My guess is that the GOP leadership will not nominate The Donald. He has already made the GOP angry by bringing up the eligibility.

    In that case he may run as a third party candidate, say, just for argument’s sake, with Michelle Bachman as VP. In that case, a third party could get the White House.

    RE: “.. the Tea Party, in disgust, all but split off to form an “ex-officio” political party within the Republican Party. “

    I think they will form a new party and leave the GOP. Of course, the negative side of this scenario is that the White House could be won, but congressional seats would be lost because the splintering effect.

    • 166 heather April 5, 2011 at 6:53 pm

      And if they don’t nominate Trump because he’s not a player–then Trump needs to run as an independent! Immediately—get these R&Ds out forever.

    • 168 Papoose April 5, 2011 at 4:58 pm

      probably what barky threatened at Dianne Fienstein’s DC home that Thursday night while he kept his pressssss corpsssss waiting on that plane. June 5th, 2008 Tim Russert was still alive.

      :O you and your tubby hubby will be investigated, tried and convicted and then taken to the Hague… your husband will be the first POTUS to be handcuffed and prodded … you will be deluged…

      and so, she halted the vote on the Floor of the Democratic Convention and stifled every Delegate sent there to vote.

      who gave barky the right to force the Convention closed when HRC was called to the Floor at NY? huhn? I’ll never forget her in the orange jumpsuit that night after the forced concession.

  50. 169 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Rene and Rosemary- You are exactly right concerning the day of Crucifixion and it does show one the error in the way we have been taught throughout time. But I am sure you both will agree, in the grand scheme of things, that is not all that important to know what day of the week Christ was crucified. If it were very important, then God’s Word would have specifically revealed that exact day and hour, even though we are provided enough information to make that determination. What is important is that He did die and that He physically rose from the dead. What is equally important is the reason He died which was to take the punishment that all sinners deserve. John 3:16 and 3:36 both proclaim that putting your trust in Him results in eternal life! This is true regardless of the day he was crucified. I am just thankful he accepted the weight of that punishment for our sins and arose and that he will come again.

    • 170 Tenacity April 5, 2011 at 7:51 pm

      jrC, howdy! It is also important to know about God’s calendar to determine the Sabbath as it is one of his banners/ensigns/signs. The 4th commandment was “forever” and never changed by Yeshua. Honor “sun” day or Saturn’s day according to the edict of the beast may very well be taking on a sign of satan. Whether it is or not, it is at the very least a distraction from God’s commandment. I’m tired of being deceived and doing everything I can to honor the God of Heaven and what I see in Scripture says, keep the Sabbath holy. Jesus did!

      • 171 Paula April 6, 2011 at 5:53 am

        Mr. Tenacity,

        With all due respect and as one likeminded, I am willing to tell you in no uncertain terms that you are being deceived again, by religion. I know, I was so very tired from being lied to by so many in the “church” realm; I knew things that they taught did not add up, and I am not one to give up searching for the answers, the truth if you will.

        It is the devil himself who appears as a angel of light and no marvel at this; therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their WORKS (workers of righteousness). You must rest in the finished work of Christ Jesus, who paid your sin debt and mine and rose again for our justification. When we trust the gospel of Jesus Christ, we are sealed unto the day of redemption. We do not have to work or keep the sabbath, or abstain from meats, or worship on this day or that day, keep the feast days, abstain from marriage or any such thing, because it will not make us one bit more righteous than we (the members of the BOC who’ve trusted the Lord Jesus Christ) already are. As soon as we believe and trust the Lord’s death on the cross for our sin and acknowledge that we are the ones who deserved his death, we are baptized by the Spirit into the BOC, and sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, so that we are saved for eternity, and God gives us the his very righteousness. How much more righteous can you become by keeping a “holy” day, such as the sabbath? How much more righteous can you become by becoming circumcised, or baptized in water? If you have the very righteousness of God, you cannot become any more righteous than that!

        The deception is the fact that most of Christendom is mixing law with grace; this is what the book of Galatians refers to as being fallen from grace and trying to do something to please God (I know so well, because I’ve been there). If you want to please God and be approved by him, He tells us to listen to the Apostle Paul for our (BOC) doctrine and to study to shew thyself approved unto God, a WORKMAN, that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (the gospel of our salvation which is according to Paul).

        You stated that Jesus kept the sabbath, therefore so should we, but that is not God’s wisdom for us today. When Jesus came to earth, he came only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (not to the Gentiles) to confirm the promises given to Abraham’s seed. He is their promised Messiah, but they rejected him, therefore, God began to implement the mystery which had never been disclosed throughout Scripture, by appearing to Saul on the road to Damascus, and gave Paul the revelation of the mystery, which is the BOC that the Lord was forming to inherit the heavenlies. The Apostle Paul says Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though WE HAVE KNOWN Christ after the flesh, yet NOW HENCEFORTH know we him NO MORE. The Apostle Paul did not preach Christ Jesus according to Christ’s earthly ministry, which is according to prophecy; he was told to preach Christ according to the MYSTERY, not revealed in Scripture before then. According to the mystery, the BOC is to reign in the heavenlies, not on the earth.

        There is soooo much more to share and explain, but I have to go for now, and my post is running long, but I sincerely hope and pray that this is a help to you or someone else.

        God speaks forgiveness of all sin to us today…grace and peace with God through Jesus Christ our Lord. All we have to do is trust him and take him at his word.

        • 172 Paula April 7, 2011 at 9:37 am

          I just noticed that you host a radio show entitled Walls In Our Minds; it is fitting.

          As an addition, Mr. Tenacity, I’d suggest you examine yourself to see if you are in the faith, as the Apostle Paul admonished the Corinthians in order to tear down those walls in your mind, those imaginations and every thought that exalts itself above the knowledge of God. It would do you so good for your spiritual well being to listen to the Apostle Paul as God tells you to do in His Word so many times throughout his epistles, and then you will have understanding and God’s wisdom concerning what He is doing today with the BOC, which has nothing to do with God’s earthly plans for Israel in the time we are living in, now, because God is not dealing with Israel while he is forming the BOC. Jews by nature have no special place with God, today, for they now have to come through the Gentiles, i.e., the Church, the pillar and ground of truth for today, the BOC, in order to be saved. In other words, they have the opportunity to be saved, today, just as the Gentiles by trusting the gospel of Jesus Christ. Once the Church, the BOC, the pillar and ground of truth for today, is caught up to be with the Lord in Heaven, God will resume his dealings with the nation of Israel as laid out in Daniel & the other prophets, as well as the New Covenant teachings in Hebrews through Revelation.

          Speaking the truth in love, because I desire, as my Lord does, for all men to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth, and for those ensnared by the devil and who oppose themselves, if God peradventure will give them repentence to the acknowledging of the truth; so that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

    • 173 JanH April 6, 2011 at 6:02 am

      Thank you jrCarolinas!!

      John 3:16 and 3:36 both proclaim that putting your trust in Him results in eternal life!


  51. 174 ARMY D.A.V. April 5, 2011 at 5:21 pm

    Senate defeats Rand Paul’s resolution reasserting Congress’s war powers, 90-10

    Reason for the defeat of the resolution ……. Paul was just trying to embarrass our president .

    U.S. Constitution

    • 175 drkate April 5, 2011 at 5:34 pm

      Well, it was poorly planned! Not only is NO RESOLUTION needed, the Senate is not the place for it. It is the House. So Rand blew it. This just shows how utterly ridiculous the republicans are, and they don’t know the scope of their own powers, but all of them are willing to strut around like roosters and continue to avoid the issues!

      Where was Paul asking for or talking about impeachment, or halting our troops and missiles?

      Count me one disappointed patriot!

    • 176 RichT April 5, 2011 at 6:39 pm

      True colors have been flown.

      Vote the rat bastards out!!!

    • 177 JanH April 6, 2011 at 6:07 am

      Reason for the defeat of the resolution ……. Paul was just trying to embarrass our president .

      Isn’t it amazing how the ego of this one individual is sooooo much more important than our whole nation.

      Lakin is in prison and stripped of all the benefits he rightfully earned for the sake of this impostor’s EGO.

      The states are being bribed or otherwise pressured to postpone their eligibility bills until after 2012 so it won’t be about OBAMA. (News flash: It IS about Obama!!!)

      Now Rand Paul’s sound advice is dismissed for the sake of The Won’s EGO.

      What’s next?????

      Never mind. I don’t want to know.

  52. 178 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    Paul was just trying to embarrass our president .

    BO is an embarrassment to the American people not the other way around.

    I agree Kate – The House has the power but they are just not using it – and I just can’t understand why. Has the great delusion come over all of them? Are they being given something in their drinking water? Better yet are they being influenced by mind control?????????

  53. 182 Rene April 5, 2011 at 5:49 pm


    The day is important if your attempting to set doctrine , especially if your using the wrong starting point. As far as His resurrection , we are saved by His life as an eternal God being which incidentally is our future destination as his brothers and sisters if we are true Christians. In the interim there are a lot of problems here on earth that have to be dealt with , hopefully with God ‘s help.

    • 183 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 6:08 pm

      The day is important if your attempting to set doctrine

      That is very true Rene – but much of that doctrine was changed when Constantine tried to appease both the Jews and the Gentiles and brought about the pagan views thru the church in Rome. Constantine accepted the Christian faith, but only from the standpoint of his own views.

      Bottom line, I stand on the word of God and I know that he tells us what is to come. Proverbs 21:31 – Do your best, prepare for the worst—then trust God to bring victory.

    • 184 Paula April 5, 2011 at 6:18 pm


      If I may ask you, what is the gospel that saves?

    • 185 JanH April 6, 2011 at 8:07 am

      …we are saved by His life as an eternal God being which incidentally is our future destination as his brothers and sisters if we are true Christians.

      Normally I don’t like to bring doctrinal debate to this blog as that is not its main purpose (and besides, I don’t like debating). However, in this statement I see some things that need to be addressed, and that boldly.

      First, Jesus Christ is not AN eternal God being. He is THE eternal God who became man at the incarnation and gave His life for us on the cross as payment to satisfy God’s justice against our sin. There are no other eternal God beings than the One triune God: one being in three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit from all eternity. Further, Jesus Christ is not only eternally God, One of Three, but He is eternally the Son of God. He is inherently, intrinsically the Son of God. That is Who He is, not a role He assumed or was assigned. He did not become the Son of God at any point in time by human birth or by acceptance of the Father’s purpose. Obviously, the Father and Son are One in purpose, but not only so. They are One in essence and nature.

      Second, true Christians (or anyone else for that matter) do not have any form of Godhood as a future destination for ourselves. True Christians have a future destination of eternity in heaven with the Son of God who died for us and redeemed us by His blood. He alone is worthy of worship and praise and He alone is God, now and forever. No man has ever attained Godhood and, by definition as a creature, we cannot do so. One of the attributes of God is eternal self existence. We are all created beings, not eternally existent/uncreated. Therefore, we can never be what God is. While Adam was made in God’s image, it is self evident that, being MADE, man is not made as a god in actuality or potential. Godhood is automatically excluded from us. We are not something that can/will become a god/God under any circumstances. We are ever the created creature, He ever the Uncreated Creator. In fact, the Bible is full of rebukes and judgments against those who would become “as God.” From the beginning the was the false promise told by the serpent to Eve in the garden, “For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” Genesis 2:5.

      More accounts of judgment due to the creature seeking Godhood:

      Isaiah 14:12-15: “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the Pit.”

      This one is too long to quote: Daniel 3,4- the account of Nebuchadnezzer’s false golden image of himself that all were to fall down and worship and God’s dealing with him by taking away his sanity, at the end of which Nebuchadnezzer says (Daniel 4:34-35), “And at the end of the time, I, Nebuchadnezzer, lifted my eyes to heaven, and my understanding returned to me; and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever: for His dominion is an everlasting dominion, and His kingdom is from generation to generation. All the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; He does according to His will in the army of heaven and among the inhabitants of the earth. No one can restrain His hand or say to Him, ‘What have You done?'”

      Besides this there are MANY passages which say that God is the only God there is, some from men and some quoting God Himself. A small sample:

      Deuteronomy 4:35, “To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord Himself is God; there is none other besides Him.”

      2 Samuel 22:32, “For who is God, except the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God?”

      Isaiah 44:6-8, “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, and His Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides Me there is no God. And who can proclaim as I do? Then let me declare it and set it in order for Me, since I appointed the ancient people, and the things that are coming and shall come, let them show these to them. Do not fear, nor be afraid; have I not told you from that time, and declared it: You are my witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.'”

      Isaiah 45:5-6, “I am the Lord, and there is no other; there is no God besides Me. I will gird you, though you have not known Me, that they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting that there is none besides Me. I am the Lord and there is no other; I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.”

      Revelation 1:8, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (He alone is eternal/God.)

      And what is the response in heaven to this? That man, even redeemed man, becomes God too? No, but rather:

      Revelation 4:8-11, “The four living creatures, each having six wings, were full of eyes around and within. And they do not rest day or night saying: ‘Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!’ Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, who lives for ever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne saying: ‘You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power; for you created all things, and by Your will they exist and were created.'”

      Revelation 5:8-14, “Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying: ‘You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and have made us kings and priests to our God; and we shall reign on the earth.’ Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice: ‘Worthy is the Lamb who was slain to receive power and riches and wisdom, and strength and honor and glory and blessing!’ And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: ‘Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever!” (He has made us kings and priests who will rule and reign with Him, not God/gods who attain to deity.)

      Then finally, Revelation 21:2-7, “Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying: ‘Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.’ Then He who sat on the throne said, ‘Behold, I make all things new.’ And He said to me, ‘Write, for these words are true and faithful.’ And He said to me, ‘It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things and I will be his God and he shall be My son.'”

      True Christians have many great and precious promises, faithful words from our Lord which shall be kept in their entirety. Becoming a God is not among those promises.

      I could go on and on. The testimony of Scripture is that there is no other God but the Lord. Scripture calls the Father God, The Son God, and the Spirit God, but never man nor any other creature. Only Satan tries to make that one work, and we see what happened to him and to those who accept his false promise.

      These matters were debated and settled among Christians centuries ago. These two positions are the cream that rose to the top of those debates, and are the content of orthodox Christian confession concerning Jesus Christ’s deity and man’s creaturehood.

      The position quoted above is not a valid expression of Christian orthodoxy but rather is has been deemed heretical by the wider body of Christians.

      • 186 Paula April 6, 2011 at 1:42 pm

        TY, JanH; you caught what I was questioning, myself.

        • 187 JanH April 6, 2011 at 5:31 pm


          I am sort of afraid that the statement I quoted IS what she believes the gospel to be and that her statement can be taken at face value.

          I was hoping that perhaps what we have here is a serious case of imprecision that only sounds like heresy by accident. But given how she has conversed on doctrinal issues up to this point, I doubt that is the case.

  54. 188 ARMY D.A.V. April 5, 2011 at 6:06 pm

    Making up the rules and laws on the go . Lawless and out of control . The Constitution to them is just a prop .

    I lost all hope last week when I found out how many members were getting farm subsidies including Bachmann & Family .

    • 189 Paula April 5, 2011 at 6:23 pm

      In the last days perilous times shall come where men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, fasle accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    • 190 heather April 5, 2011 at 6:48 pm

      Which politician said at in interview last year-“what rules, we make the rules as we go along”—

      You are so right–they are all liars, cheats, thieves, and evil bast@@@s who are lazy and living off of us.

  55. 191 Jan April 5, 2011 at 6:21 pm

    Let’s join and voice our opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    President Obama’s Facebook Townhall – April 20 – 1:45 PST / 4:45 EST

    • 192 RacerJim April 6, 2011 at 8:45 am

      With all due respect Jan, anyone here who joins believing their voice will be heard is a fool.

    • 193 drkate April 6, 2011 at 8:56 am

      Why give them your facebook account, IP and picture? This is a trap for all of us who would join to tell him off.

  56. 194 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    Paula – I know the answer to that and already addressed it in my first comment.

    According to Paul – That Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

    Also, you are correct in your comment quoting on the perilous times. We are definitely living in those days.

  57. 196 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Well, Kate and all others, thank you for allowing me to comment here just a little tonight. Time to get back to Heyokas. I do so enjoy everyone who posts here. Kate you know I stand behind you 100%.

    • 197 drkate April 6, 2011 at 8:58 am

      It has been a pleasure having you here…please join any time. And thank you for your support! 🙂

  58. 200 RichT April 5, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    Sheriff Joe say’s to the ACLU and socialists…

    F@%k you in the neck with a long sharp knife….

    Another Win for Arpaio: Immigration Activists Lose Court Battle

    PHOENIX, AZ – After several months under consideration, Federal Judge Susan Bolton this week ruled in favor of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the County Attorney’s Office in a hotly contested matter about whether illegal immigrants, who were arrested on felony charges, should be able to post bond and get out of jail.

    In 2006, Arizona voters approved Proposition 100 which precluded bail to arrestees who entered or remained in the state illegally and who were charged with serious felony offenses.

    When Sheriff Joseph Arpaio, in conjunction with the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office, developed policies and procedures to implement the new law, two National Law Firms and the National ACLU Representatives sued the Sheriff and County Attorney to stop them from enforcing it.

    The ACLU claimed Prop 100 was unconstitutional on its face, excessively harsh in how it was being enforced and a violation of the illegal alien arrestee’s due process, and 5th, 6th, and 8th Amendment Rights.

  59. 202 Rene April 5, 2011 at 6:46 pm

    By grace you are saved and it is the gift of God. The gospel (good news) is the fact that Christ is returning to this earth to establish the kingdom of God ruling with the resurrected saints on this earth.
    Rev 5:10 And You made us kings and priests to our God, and we will reign over the earth.
    Kings rule, priest instruct the ways of God.
    Those in the kingdom on earth will full fulfill both these functions as eternal children of God. Actually it’s prettying exciting when you comprehend the truth.

    • 203 Paula April 6, 2011 at 2:17 pm

      Thank you, Rene; I was not clear what you were saying above.

      Yes, by grace we are saved, through faith in Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Once we trust that Christ paid our sin debt, we are saved and sealed for eternity. And, yes, the Lord’s appearing for us in the clouds (not to earth, mind you) is part of our gosple (good news).

      Our blessed hope is the appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds and his catching us out of this world, at which time our bodies will be redeemed and changed into the likeness of his glorious body! That is exciting, and I’m looking forward to that glorious day!

      The believing remnant of Israel, or earthly kingdom saints, are the ones who will be kings and priests unto our God on this earth, for it was to Israel those promises and covenants were made: that the Lord Jesus Christ will rule this earth through Israel (believing, not unbelieving) with his throne in Jerusalem. God is forming the BOC today, which was the mystery revealed to the Apostle Paul, and includes the BOC being caught up to meet the Lord in the air prior to the Tribulation, because we are NOT destined to the wrath of God; for why would we be found in the Tribulatin period enduring the wrath of God when the Lord Jesus Christ already took that upon himself for us?

      Romans 5:9~~Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

      1 Thess. 1:10~~And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

      1 Thess 5:9-11~~For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore COMFORT yourselves together, and EDIFY one another, even as also ye do.

      Let me ask the BOC here: Is it comforting and edifying to you to know that you are going to face the wrath of God in the Tribulation even though the Lord Jesus has taken the wrath in your place and redeemed you by his precious blood? I didn’t think so; that is because it is not true that the BOC will go through the day of the Lord, His wrath, the Tribulation. No, no! Indeed, our Apostle Paul does say that we are saved from that wrath to come! Amen.

  60. 204 RichT April 5, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Concerned American @ WRSA blog has an interview of Ann Barnhardt. She is the one who I posted earlier burning the koran.

    This woman is a warrior. We all need to get a little of what she has. If we do, nothing can stop us.

    He asks us to start a “Burn The Documents Of Tyranny” fever. You know what I say…

    LET’S GET IT ON!!!!!

    ..There are a LOT of emails of concern for my safety. Yes, I knew EXACTLY what I was doing going in to this, and I am HONORED to lead you into this battle. But if you REALLY want to help me, here is what you can do. Go out, buy a koran, video yourself burning it and post that on YouTube. Do it NOW. Show the muslims how utterly futile it would be to kill me. I am delighted to lead from the front, but the only way this works is if you wonderful patriots BACK ME UP. One man storming the beach at Normandy would have been meaningless machine gun fodder. But the First Army U.S. and the Second Army U.K. storming the beach constituted a decisively victorious force. Oooh-Rah!

    You heard the lady.

    Any folks in South Carolina care to get us some space for a “Burn The Documents Of Tyranny” (e.g., the Koran, the UN Charter, the “interstate commerce” line of cases from the Supremes, NFA 34, etc.) rally asap?

    We’ll see if we can get Miss Barnhardt to speak, and we would even invite the traitorous Senator Graham.


  61. 205 RichT April 5, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    Arctic Patriot offers this wise advise on combat accuracy. He’s not only talking about bullets folks…

    There are many varying opinions on what accuracy is needed inside of combat. Who is correct all comes down to who you believe. The definition that I use when it comes to combat accuracy is as follows, “any hit on the adversary that effects change in the adversary in regards to the OODA loop.” In reality, any hit on the adversary is good for you and bad for them

  62. 206 Rosemary Woodhouse April 5, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    Rene- I am in complete agreement with you.

  63. 207 Rosemary Woodhouse April 5, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    And of course you too are right, jrCarolina. But I do believe it matters to God otherwise he wouldn’t have placed the keeping of the Sabbath as the 4th commandment.

    • 208 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 7:56 pm

      And again, many don’t follow that Commandment as was initially intended, also thru the dictates of changes brought about by the church of Rome that Sunday is the day of worship. The true Sabbath is Saturday. Of course as long as we do worship and praise his name, does God really care what day it is? We should do it everyday.

  64. 209 Tenacity April 5, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    Just in case Katie hasn’t taken the opportunity to toot her horn, is loaded with the first/premier edition. Click on the button at the top of the site that says “Read Online.” ENJOY!

    I will be writing an article for the next edition on “Sound Money: The Key to State Sovereignty”

  65. 210 Voco Indubium April 5, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    RE: “(heather) – And if they don’t nominate Trump because he’s not a player–then Trump needs to run as an independent! Immediately—get these R&Ds out forever ”

    You are right. The Donald should not waste time to find out the chances of GOP nominating him. If no or small chance – run without them. If he plays his cards right, for example choosing a strong Tea Party supported candidate for VP, he can beat any of the GOP candidates.

    This could be the beginning of the end of the GOP.

  66. 211 ARMY D.A.V. April 5, 2011 at 8:06 pm

    Trump brings another one out of the closet.

    “I’m not a ‘birther,'” Hawaii State Sen. Sam Slom told Jeff Katz of WXKS Radio in Boston, “and I followed this from the very beginning. At first I followed it with amusement, and then I got really concerned about it, because the question was if it was not just the birth certificate, but other records as well – school records, academic records, work records – why would anyone spend millions of dollars in legal fees, particularly someone in public office, particularly someone in the highest public office, to not make that information public?”

    Read more: Hawaii senator wonders what Obama’s concealing

  67. 214 Tenacity April 5, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Revelations 19, 9 Then he said unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the Lamb’s supper. And he said unto me, These words of God are true.
    10 And I fell before his feet, to worship him. But he said unto me, See thou do it not; I am thy fellow servant, and one of thy brethren, which have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God, for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy.
    11 And I saw heaven open, and behold, a white horse, and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and true, and he judgeth and fighteth righteously.
    12 And his eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew but himself.
    13 And he was clothed with a garment dipped in blood, and his name is called THE WORD OF GOD.
    14 And the warriors which were in heaven, followed him upon white horses, clothed with fine linen white and pure.
    15 And out of his mouth went out a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the heathen, for he shall rule them with a rod of iron; for he it is that treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    16 And he hath upon his garment, and upon his thigh a name written, THE KINGS OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
    17 And I saw an Angel stand in the sun, who cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that did fly by the midst of heaven, Come, and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God,
    18 That ye may eat the flesh of Kings, and the flesh of high Captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all freemen, and bondmen, and of small and great.
    19 And I saw the beast, and the Kings of the earth, and their warriors gathered together to make battle against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
    20 But the beast was taken, and with him that false prophet that wrought miracles before him, whereby he deceived them that received the beast’s mark, and them that worshipped his image. These both were alive cast into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sitteth upon the horse, which cometh out of his mouth, and all the fowls were filled full with their flesh.
    Revelation 20
    1 The Angel 2 bindeth Satan for a thousand years. 8 Being loosed, he stirreth up Gog and Magog, that is, privy and open enemies against the Saints, 11 but the vengeance of the Lord cutting off their insolency. 12 The books are opened, by which the dead are judged.
    1 And I saw an Angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit, and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he took the dragon that old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and he bound him a thousand years;
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and he shut him up, and sealed the door upon him, that he should deceive the people no more, till the thousand years were fulfilled; for after that he must be loosed for a little season.
    4 And I saw seats, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them, and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which did not worship the beast, neither his image, neither had taken his mark upon their foreheads, or on their hands; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead men shall not live again, until the thousand years be finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he, that hath part in the first resurrection; for on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be the Priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 And shall go out to deceive the people, which are in the four quarters of the earth, even Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
    9 And they went up into the plain of the earth, and they compassed the tents of the Saints about, and the beloved city, but fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    10 And the devil that deceived them, was cast into a lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented even day and night for evermore.
    11 And I saw a great white throne, and one that sat on it, from whose face fled away both the earth and heaven, and their place was no more found.
    12 And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before God, and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged of those things, which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them; and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the lake of fire.
    Revelation 21
    2 He describeth new Jerusalem descending from heaven, 6 The bride the Lamb’s wife, 12 and the glorious building of the city, 19 garnished with precious stones, 22 whose Temple the Lamb is.
    1 And I saw a new heaven, and a new earth; for the first heaven, and the first earth were passed away, and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city new Jerusalem come down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride trimmed for her husband.
    3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be their God with them.
    4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, neither crying, neither shall there be anymore pain; for the first things are passed.
    5 And he that sat upon the throne, said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write, for these words are faithful and true.
    6 And he said unto me, It is done, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to him that is athirst, of the well of the water of life freely.

  68. 215 Rene April 5, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    The Sabbath was part of creation week. in a sense God created the Sabbath on the seventh day. It is a sign and everlasting covenant that we may know we are worshipping the true God of the Bible.
    Exo 31:16 Therefore the sons of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for an everlasting covenant. Exo 31:17 It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever. For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested,
    The Sabbath was kept by Christ , the apostles and the true church of God down trough the ages and will be kept in the millennium.
    True christians are spiritual Isralites.
    Sunday was instituted by the Catholic Church in the 3rd century so here is the challenge. Those not Catholic who keep Sunday should join the Catholic Church since that is the foundation for your belief. Those who worship on the Sabbath have Christ, the bible, the apostles and prophets as a foundation..
    Do we follow the traditions of men or do we follow the bible and Christ?

  69. 216 Tenacity April 5, 2011 at 8:26 pm

    Okay, look close at Rev 20:5. The word “rest” hit me like a sledge hammer some months back. The beginning of this section of Revelations is referring to The Day of the LORD, at which time the first resurrection occurs. The “rest” of the dead are raised and judged at the second resurrection and subjected to the second death. This lays the whole pre-trib rapture business to rest…pun intended. The references to being caught up in the air with Him are in the context of The Day of the LORD as well…not pre-trib. Also, note that the beast and the false prophet are different from satan and are cast into the lake of fire on the Day of the LORD, but satan goes with the “rest” of the dead. I don’t know about you, but this is quite different than what I have heard in most churches. Be not deceived!…that goes for what we hear from pulpits as well as from the media and politicians.

    • 217 Paula April 6, 2011 at 2:26 pm

      Quote, “This lays the whole pre-trib rapture business to rest…pun intended. The references to being caught up in the air with Him are in the context of The Day of the LORD as well…not pre-trib.”

      No, sir, that doesn’t lay the whole pre-trib rapture business to rest, because you are not rightly dividing the word of truth, the gosple of your salvation, but you are mixing Israel’s destiny with the church, the BOC’s destiny which results in deception. Our blessed hope is the appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ in the clouds and his catching us out of this world, at which time our bodies will be redeemed and changed into the likeness of his glorious body!

      God is forming the BOC today for the heavenly places, which was the mystery revealed to the Apostle Paul, and includes the BOC being caught up to meet the Lord in the air prior to the Tribulation, because we are NOT destined to the wrath of God; for why would we be found in the Tribulatin period enduring the wrath of God when the Lord Jesus Christ already took that upon himself for us?

      Romans 5:9~~Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

      1 Thess. 1:10~~And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

      1 Thess 5:9-11~~For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore COMFORT yourselves together, and EDIFY one another, even as also ye do.

      Let me ask the BOC here: Is it comforting and edifying to you to know that you are going to face the wrath of God in the Tribulation even though the Lord Jesus has taken the wrath in your place and redeemed you by his precious blood? I didn’t think so; that is because it is not true that the BOC will go through the day of the Lord, His wrath, the Tribulation. No, no! Indeed, our Apostle Paul does say that we are saved from that wrath to come! Praise the Lord for his mercy and grace!

  70. 218 Tenacity April 5, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Rene, well said.

  71. 219 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Rene – I agree with you 100%. You don’t know how many times I have had this conversation with my pastor. I belong to the Disciples of Christ and was contemplating leaving to worship at a church that did follow the true sabbath. But I know my pastor does preach the word of God and my family has gone to this church for many years. I know that is no excuse. While I am faithful in my attendance, I still struggle within the confines of being told by the DOC leadership that we worship on Sunday.

  72. 220 Tenacity April 5, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    The above Scripture is from the Geneva Bible by the way. You can find it online at

  73. 221 Tenacity April 5, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    jrC, I grew up in the church of Christ, the non-instrumental first split of the Stone-Campbell movement. DOC being the instrumental side of that split. Thus, our heritages are quite similar. I would encourage you to keep the Sabbath, but hang in their and teach because you are amongst some very good people that are trying earnestly to do what’s right. I’m betting you can have an influence and perhaps even start a Sabbath time of study and worship within your congregation. Maybe not, but its worth a try before you jump ship. DOC is well grounded in Scripture. I wouldn’t work on the pastor as much as those in your study group that have ears.

  74. 222 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Tenacity – We have all been told things that are different than what they are. Here is another verse that lays to rest the pre-trib theory as well:

    2 Thessalonians
    Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[d] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.

  75. 223 Tenacity April 5, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    jrC, are you finding any in the DOC that have bought into the Tim Lehay (Left Behind) and Southern Baptist fantasy?

    • 224 Paula April 6, 2011 at 2:35 pm

      Excuse me, but it is not Southern Baptist fantasy or Tim Lahay, Left Behind fantasy, but sound doctrine by the very Word of God, mystery (not revealed prior to Paul) truth given to the Apostle Paul. Why in the world do you wish to go through the Tribulation and endure the wrath of God? If you are a member of the BOC, then whether you believe in it or not, you will be caught up to be with the Lord prior to the Day of the Lord, the Tribulation period, because the Lord Jesus Christ already endured the wrath for you. We are admonished of the Lord to comfort one another and to edify one another with these words, sir. If you are a saved member of the BOC, you are NOT doing that for the BOC by what you are saying, which is grieving the Holy Spirit of promise.

  76. 225 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Ten – several in my sunday school class have already discussed doing something like that. We have even stopped using regular sunday school books and study straight from the word of God, chapter by chapter and verse by verse. We have a small congregation, but our sunday school class has anywhere from 15 to 25 every Sunday. Which is really good as the other classes are very small in number. I think we do pretty good for a small country church.

  77. 226 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 8:59 pm

    Not so much. While I have read the Left Behind series, including the entire set for kids, I see many flaws, but there is also some truth.

  78. 227 Tenacity April 5, 2011 at 9:06 pm

    jrC, there is no perfect sect out there that I have found. My searching has found more deception, more watered down gospel, more social networking and more humanism.

    The concept of “assembly” is more important than we have been taught btw. It was the source of the authority of our colonies that led to the formation of our republic. We must understand the power of assembly and the other commandments of God…#1 was to subdue and #12 is “be not deceived (speaking of II Thess.) My point is that your study group is on the right track, but could become a force of common/natural law. They must understand that is a republic, they are Caesar and have the God given unalienable right to judge the law. Not God’s law, but the law of the land against God’s law…even as a juror.

  79. 228 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    I hate my laptop – Everything I just type disappeared –

    Ten – We discussed that very thing indepth when we studied the book of Acts and Romans. You know I am very outspoken and I really give them much food for thought especially in regards to the law of the land. We sometimes only get through 3 or 4 verses during the alotted hour because of the detailed discussions.

    Sorry I am slow on here. I don’t type well on my laptop as the keys are too far apart.

  80. 229 jrCarolinas April 5, 2011 at 9:21 pm

    Well I am out of here. Ten we can continue discussion over at our place later. Good night.

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