The Enigma of a Dual National President

@2011 The Birthers

Cross-posted with Permission

Can a person whose birth was governed by both the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution and the British Nationality Act of 1948 be a natural-born American citizen?

The real question about Barack Obama is not where he was born, because we may never know for certain unless Hawaii opens its records up for public inspection and forensic tests. The real question we as a nation need to ask and have answered is can a person born with dual citizenship be by definition a natural born citizen.

Barack Obama was born to an American mother, and if we accept he was born in Hawaii, he was born in the United States, but he was also born to a father who at the time of his birth was a British subject, and passed on this citizenship to his son. Obama does not dispute this fact, as it is stated in his website FighttheSmears as a link to FackCheck which states,

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.’s children:

British Nationality Act of 1948 (Part II, Section 5): Subject to the provisions of this section, a person born after the commencement of this Act shall be a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent if his father is a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies at the time of the birth.

In other words, at the time of his birth, Barack Obama Jr. was both a U.S. citizen (by virtue of being born in Hawaii) and a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies (or the UKC) by virtue of being born to a father who was a citizen of the UKC.

Now this in and of itself is interesting as it poses the most profound question of our time. Can a person whose birth was governed by both the 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution and the British Nationality Act of 1948 be a natural-born American citizen?

FackCheck then goes on to try to explain this aberration by saying by stating a fact and then dismissing this fact as irrelevant:

Obama’s British citizenship was short-lived. On Dec. 12, 1963, Kenya formally gained its independence from the United Kingdom.

But is it irrelevant?

In John Jay’s letter to George Washington he takes the time to underline one word, born.

By underling this one word he is calling attention to something that happens at birth, which makes a person a natural born citizen. In other words, what defines the qualification for Commander in chief, is not found before birth or discovered after, but this qualification is present at the moment.

This defining quality of who is a natural born citizen, was enumerated by the United States Supreme Court, and no one has ever challenged this meaning. True, Chester A. Arthur tried to hide it in the past, and Barack H. Obama, II is now trying to dismiss it as irrelevant, but none have openly challenged it.

On that day, Mrs. Shanks was found under allegiance to the State of South Carolina as a natural born citizen to a community, one of whose fundamental principles was that natural allegiance was unalienable, and this principle was at no time relaxed by that state by any express provision, while it retained the undivided control over the rights and liabilities of its citizens. SHANKS V. DUPONT, 28 U. S. 242 (1830)

For lack of a better analogy one can consider allegiance to be the DNA of a citizen. Just as DNA is used to determine who the father is, the Supreme Court has used natural allegiance in the past to determine to which society (country) a person was a member of. The early Supreme Court cases are full of cases which needed to to determine who a person was, a citizen of the United States or a subject of His Britannic Majesty.

Now, of all the possibilities for personal growth there are in America, the founding fathers seemed justified to reserve one position for only a pure American. To be exact, a natural born citizen whose natural allegiance to the United States was unalienable and undivided.

What does that mean unalienable and undivided, and how does this affect a dual citizen. Unalienable means that it cannot be transferred to another or removed from the original possessor. Undivided means that it is not divided, separated, or broken into parts, and it is concentrated on or devoted completely to one object. Let us look at two cases to see how this plays out. The first case is a person born in the United States to parents who are both citizens of the United State, and the second case is a person who is a dual citizen of the United States and Great Britain, by virtue of being born in the United States to a father who is a British Subject.

The first case, the person who only has natural allegiance to the United States must obey all the laws of the United States, including jury duty, and military service. When in any other country, no country can force this person to sit on a jury or enlist in its armed forces, nor can it make him choose who to support politically in the event of hostilities with the United States. If it tried to do, lets say, draft this person into its army, the United States must defend this persons rights as an American. This person cannot transfer his allegiance to the country he is in, simply because he is in that country, nor would the United States divide or share its control over this person’s allegiance with that country just because this person was in that county. This person has natural allegiance that is unalienable and undivided.

Now lets say that the dual citizen was in America, and in America he must do everything that the first person must do. But if this person was to go England, then this person would be considered a British subject. The act of simply by placing one’s foot on British territory, would transfer his allegiance to Great Britain. It is because this person placed himself under the direct jurisdiction of a country of which he was also a citizen of. If Great Britain was to go to war and start a draft, this person could be seized and made a British soldier or seaman. He could not get help from the United States because this person is a subject of Great Britain. The best the United States could do on this person behalf is to ask, it could not demand for the United States shared control over this persons allegiance. This persons allegiance was alienable depending on the control of the territory he was on, and the control of the allegiance of this person was shared between both the United States and Great Britain.

As stated the office of Commander in Chief, which is an office of the President, was reserved to a pure American. The reason for this is in this role the Commander in chief makes both strategic and sometimes tactical decisions that can affect not only the outcome of a battle, but of the war. If this person does not have unalienable and undivided allegiance to the United States there may be conflicts. This person may act in one way because he has respect for his other country and thus not commit everything to the defeat of this country, or this person could be blinded by rage for this country and over commit our resources recklessly.

With Obama we see a third allegiance at work, his Kenyan citizenship. This citizenship has adversely effected our relationship with Great Britain, because of the conflict of his British citizenship and his Kenyan citizenship. This conflict has had an affect on our foreign policy. Obama unceremoniously returned the Churchill bust that was given to us after 9-11 as a way of showing solidarity in feelings, because Churchill was the Prime Minister of England when the Nazis were attacking London daily. His gift to the Prime Minister of a DVD collection when the Prime Minister brought him a gift of a pen set made from the wood of a British ship that was involved in stopping the slave trade, as a tribute to the first African to be President. As Obama wrote in his book Dreams from my Father, about his grandfather who was a prisoner of colonial Britain during their control of Kenya, “Eventually he received a hearing, and he was found innocent. But he had been in the camp for over six months, and when he returned … he was very thin and dirty. He had difficulty walking, and his head was full of lice.” This is It is not difficult to see the animosity he inherited for the British.

There is two schools of thought on how a natural born citizen is created. There is English common law as explained by William Blackstone, and there is Natural Law as explained by Emmer Vattel. They do differ in varying ways, and yet they sometimes complement each other.

The Supreme Court has ruled that under Vattel’s definition of a natural born citizen, that is one born in the country to parents who are citizens of that country, their natural allegiance would be unalienable and undivided. They also said that Blackstone’s third definition of a natural born citizen, just being born in the country, they were uncertain if their natural allegiance was unalienable and undivided. This does not mean that all of those born in the United States to alien parents are not born with unalienable and undivided allegiance to the United States. There are circumstances where they may be born with unalienable and undivided allegiance to the United States, such as a child born in the United States to parents whose native country does not recognize the right to citizenship based on blood relations, jus sanguinis. But these cases need to be examined case by case in a court of law, so the facts can be determined.

I am a natural born citizen of the United States because my parents were natural-born citizens of the United States and they had no other nationality to give me at my birth, and because I was born in the United States so no other country could claim me because I just happened to be born on their territory. My allegiance is only for the United States of America. No matter where I am in the world, if the United States needed me to perform a task, I would do this because as William Blackstone said, I owe the United States a debt of gratitude for the protection it gives me no matter where I am. This debt of gratitude is not owed to no other country except to the United States of America.

Yet, John McCain was a natural born citizen of the United States, even though he was born in Panama. This is because his parents were natural born citizens who could no give him a national identity except that of an American, and he was born in a country which at the time of his birth did not give the children of aliens citizenship because they were born in Panama. Therefore his natural allegiance to the United States was unalienable and undivided at his birth.

Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. is not a natural-born citizen of the United States, even though he was born in the state of HAWAII. Because at his birth his father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was a British subject, and the United Kingdom gave him citizenship in the United Kingdom at his birth. His allegiance to the United States was alienable and divided on his very first breath. His allegiance was further divided when in 1963 he became a citizen not only of United States and Great Britain, but also of Kenya. His allegiance may also have been eroded if and when he was adopted by Lolo Sotero and his allegiance was shared between four countries, the Untied States, the United Kingdom, the Republic of Kenya and the Republic of Indonesia.

 Our founding fathers knew that the son of an Englishman born in the United States after the treaty of Peace was signed in 1783 between the United States and Great Britain would be still be considered a natural-born subject of the British crown. This is because under the treaty Britain only released those who sided with the American cause from their obligation of allegiance to the Crown. Britain still retained control over those who remained subjects. In fact this is one of the causes of the War of 1812. Do you really think knowing this they would just said, okay born in the US, and even though you are a natural-born subject, you are also a natural born citizen, and can command our armies in any wars we have with Great Britain?

 Unalienable and Undivided Allegiance to the United States of America is the singular quality that all natural born American citizens have.

76 Responses to “The Enigma of a Dual National President”


  1. 1 Jan May 6, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    Thank you Dr. K for cross-posting. This is one that should be copied and sent to every teacher in your district.
    As well as to all local Republican, Tea Party, etc. groups. Post on store bulletin boards. Send to pastors. Hand to those that just don’t get it.

    It is a great post.

  2. 2 drkate May 6, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    OT–
    Release of the COLB shows power of alternative media

    http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=9501

    • 3 jtx May 7, 2011 at 10:41 am

      drkate:

      Let’s not jump the shark here since it is not at all shown by the Apr 27 WHBC that Barky was born in HI or even in the USA. The WHBC does not show that at all as others have pointed out. He could have been born elsewhere and had his birth merely registered at Kapiolani and the certification number being so different from the Nordyke twins shows this, since under the Federal vital statistics procedures of 1961 the certificate numbers were assigned in blocks by HI DOH offices and the Nordyke numbers as well as others actually born in the same hospital at the same time were quite different from Barkly’s.

      If he was registered by a DOH office local to the Dunhams (where SAD lived) he would have been issued a cert number by that office differing from the girls – which is exactly what happened. State law then requires him to be examinedd by a doctor to verify that he’s alive and “normally healthy” with the hospital being then used as his “birth” hospital even though he was not in fact born there.

      Others have commented on this point as well.

  3. 4 eddie h. May 6, 2011 at 5:28 pm

    dr. kate / we cannot conclude that obama was born in hawaii yet because the birth document has not been officially authenicated as i am sure you are aware of. we not only need to see the original long form birth certificate but also the hospital b. c. and confirmation from the hospital of the obama birth. i am sure you are aware he has provided a fake and forged document. i hope we will not move on until this is dealt with by a court congress or we the people and broad public opinion.

  4. 5 drkate May 6, 2011 at 5:34 pm

    Eddie…this is a guest post that makes the caveat, “if we take Obama at his word and believe he was born in HI…”

    This takes the obot arguments at face value, that all they want is ‘born in the usa’ and obama proved he was born in the usa…ok, and we then say, “so what”? He still doesn’t pass the test because of his dual allegiance at birth.

    If he had dual allegiance at birth,he was governed by the British Nationality Act…and then when adopted by an Indonesian, he is governed by the 14th amendment because he would have had to declare a citizenship at age 18.

    So if he was born in the US like the obutts say, he is still not a natural born citizen.

    • 6 eddie h. May 6, 2011 at 5:57 pm

      dr. kate / i understand but i fear if we do not force proof and validation of the b. c. the usurpur will get by in some court with the one u. s. parent rule. we cannot depend on the dual citizenship fact to get him out. i firmly believe the birth olace has to be pursued and officially confirmed. we cannot take obama at his word. he is such a big liar and phony. i meant the 1961 original long form birth certificate and not a new document that is obviously phony.

      • 7 drkate May 6, 2011 at 5:59 pm

        Yes, I agree with you!

        And there is no ‘one us parent rule’!

        • 8 eddie h. May 6, 2011 at 6:46 pm

          the usurpur and his lawyers may get a court to create a one parent eligible law. then having give up on his birth place we would have no where to go.

          • 9 drkate May 6, 2011 at 6:53 pm

            yes, I wrote about this as a possible set up for a supreme court hearing and overrule. We never give up on birth place, because it is so easy to see that the electronic image is fake.

            But the BC has never been the issue, ie birth place, that is clear. natural born citizen language proves it, and it is about allegiance. Let them continue to lie, its just evidence against them.

            Remember they know what a nbc is because they challenged trump on his mothers birth outside the US. But Trumps mom was naturalized before he was born.

            Now we push everything, everything. fake colb, lack of definitive proof of birth place, ssn fraud, ssr fraud, nbc and allegiance…everything. Death of a thousand cuts!

  5. 10 Quantum Leap May 6, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    OT/How Communists Operate: An Interview with J. Edgar Hoover

    The teachings of Communism are directed toward one final result—world revolution and the triumph of international Communism. The achievement of this aim would mean the violent and complete destruction of the American Government. Any person who subscribes to these teachings, regardless of his reason, is working against American democracy and for the benefit of international Communism’s chief leader, Soviet Russia. The “philosophical Communist” who advocates Marxism-Leninism might just as well be working as an agent of a foreign power because he is aiding its cause. He is, in fact, however, being “played for a sucker” by the Communists, who consider him a “dupe,” a person not to be trusted but only to be used and then discarded.

    Never ask why. Just reread the above and more here –>
    http://www.usnews.com/news/national/articles/2008/05/16/how-communists-operate-an-interview-with-j-edgar

  6. 12 Debbie G May 6, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    Dr.kate…
    After watching the video you posted the other day of the Ortaiz (sp) trial which I could only watch half way for unknown reasons…It just wouldn’t load anymore…
    Something struck me kind of funny about what the 2 judges were pressing about the standing issue…
    Are they trying to tell us something?
    Seems like they trying to give us the answers…Sounds to me like anyone that is wanting to run for President or V.P NOW HAS STANDING!!!!
    The two judges went on and on that if was after the election…
    Well now we have some that are announcing they are going to run…They should have standing against Obama beings he “O” has also announce he was running again! Or is this wishful thinking??????

    • 13 drkate May 6, 2011 at 5:51 pm

      yes, his standing as a candidate could be challenged right now. what are the chances that any judge is going to throw it out?

      That said, his standing to be on the ballot should be challenged in every state with the Secretaries of State, regardless of an eligibility law.

      We also have to make sure that the congress stays in conservative hands, and move the Senate that way as well. that is when the 2oth amendment would fail to certify him.

      The effort needs to keep hammering now, not waiting for anything, and our efforts have to be multi focused.

  7. 15 Rich T May 6, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    OT-Full ViewA Taste of their Own Medicine
    From: Rich Timm Add to Contacts
    To:

    ——————————————————————————–

    I know this isn’t very Christian of me, but…..Fuck’em in the neck with their own knife.

    You just gotta love some Patriots who stand up to be counted.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/05/06/muslim-leaders-say-pilot-refused-fly-onboard/?test=latestnews

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Two Muslim religious leaders say they were removed from a commercial airliner in Memphis on Friday and were told it was because the pilot refused to fly with them aboard.

    Rahman said he was dressed in traditional Indian clothing and his traveling companion was dressed in Arab garb, including traditional headgear.

    The aircraft pulled away from the gate, but the pilot then announced the plane must return, Rahman said. When it did, the imams were asked to go back to the boarding gate where Rahman said they were told the pilot was refusing to accept them because some other passengers could be uncomfortable.

    Rahman said Delta officials talked with the pilot for more than a half-hour, but he still refused.

    • 16 heather May 7, 2011 at 3:22 pm

      I say hoorah for the pilot and if the commies say he was profiling — who cares! We have the right now!

  8. 17 drkate May 6, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    Another consequence of multiple allegiances–Obama has American flag removed from Ground Zero before photo shoot

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/05/wtf-at-wtc-obama-has-american-flag.html

    Update: apparently this too is a false flag, a set up. Flag was there at the wreath laying, check the updates in the story.

    • 18 ARMY D.A.V. May 6, 2011 at 6:10 pm

      Flag has to be lowered, end of day.

    • 19 borderraven May 6, 2011 at 8:15 pm

      The flag can stay up all night. It is not mandatory to take it off the building. It is preferable to keep a light on it overnight. The flag code covers speaking events and stage dressing near a speaker. I’m curious to see the treatment of the flag a week after the event.

    • 21 heather May 7, 2011 at 1:37 pm

      There is NO ONE that has ever sang God Bless America and MEANT it like Kate Smith–no one!

      God Bless her for bringing us this wonderful song!

      Thanks Dr Kate for the video!

  9. 22 anonymouse May 6, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    The comment I have about the article is that Black’s was published in 1891 and The Law of Nations in 1758 to it couldn’t have been used, Black’s was based on ECL which Jefferson rejected (he even overwrote the word “subject” out of the Dec. of Ind.), we are citizens not subjects to a king…

    Great essay. Keep the focus on PARENTAGE.

    • 23 anonymouse May 6, 2011 at 6:32 pm

      as in parental citizenship…also per mccain he was born of US citizens “in the armies of the state” which is the one other definition of The Law of Nations for a natural born citizen. But the point made about how Panama lacked any jus soli only citizenship laws, thus he was born subject to the jurisdiction of the USA only.

      Congruently, anchor babies ARE born Mexican citizens and are NOT born US Citizens because they are so born.

      • 24 drkate May 6, 2011 at 6:54 pm

        and ROFLMAO Barky’s kids are not natural born citizens!!!
        😛

        • 25 anonymouse May 6, 2011 at 10:11 pm

          This is true. I’m going to light this fuse on a bot blog and I’ll report their freak attack. For every 35 horrific insults or death threats, I get maybe one lucid response.

          The paid bots FREAK OUT over CRA1866 which places the focus of citizenship squarely on parental citizenship and allegiance, as I showed before it’s been scrubbed or REWRITTEN to remove the “no foreign allegiance” part. They desperately want jus soli only to be a US Citizen, again by FIAT since so many anchor baby situations just subsume this.

          • 26 drkate May 6, 2011 at 10:50 pm

            yes…like what document proves Obama is an American citizen? Have a blast! Sponsor a contest…what citizenship will the kids choose–Kenya, Indonesia, or US? Especially if they can’t be pres??? 😛

      • 27 Old Bill May 7, 2011 at 2:37 am

        McCain would be covered by English and colonial common law to, according to Blackstone. Military officers were regarded as ambassadors. Jefferson didn’t reject common law he only changed the terminology.

      • 28 Old Bill May 7, 2011 at 2:39 am

        Sorry, “too/also”. I was typing too fast.

  10. 29 Paxson May 6, 2011 at 7:03 pm

    I suppose no word on Orly’s case?

    • 30 borderraven May 6, 2011 at 8:29 pm

      Orly’s and Kreep’s case appeals opinions can typically take about 4 to 6 months, maybe a year. By December 1, 2011.

      Eligibility
      We are checking the 9th Circuit daily after 10 AM.

      Immigration – E-Verify
      We are waiting on a SCOTUS opinion in relation to Arizona, US Chamber of Commerce v Whiting. Oral arguments were on November 1, 2010. By June 1, 2011.

  11. 32 borderraven May 6, 2011 at 8:32 pm

    1951 UK/US Treaty established UK consular jurisdiction in the US, making the 1948 BNA applicable, allowing births to UK Citizens to be recognized, so confirming Barack Hussein Obama II, a dual-citizen.

    http://travel.state.gov/law/legal/treaty/treaty_1507.html

    United Kingdom Treaty
    STATUS:
    Convention, with protocol of signature, signed at Washington June 6, 1951;
    TEXT:
    BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    (Harry S. Truman)

    A PROCLAMATION

    WHEREAS a consular convention and accompanying protocol of signature between the United States of America and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland were signed by their respective plenipotentiaries at Washington on June 6, 1951, the originals of which convention and protocol of signature are word for word as follows:

    The President of the United States of America; and

    His Majesty the King of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas;

    Being desirous of regulating the position of consular officers of one party in the territories of the other;
    PART VI. NOTARIAL ACTS AND OTHER SERVICES
    ARTICLE 17

    (1) A consular officer may within his district
    (c) register the birth or death of a national of the sending state and record a marriage celebrated under the law of the territory when at least one of the parties is a national of the sending state;

  12. 33 Papoose May 6, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Yeah, he’s the All American boy next door. We know where he will stand if the political winds shift ugly. He inscribed it.

    Was he a Boy Scout, too? Whoops, a pin head will get plunked on to someone’s body if they are reading this.

    Full blooded American = natural born. born, natural.

    get it? natural? natural has a definition unto itself.

    its not extraneous just to be fancy, zombies. NATURAL.

  13. 34 no-nonsense-nancy May 6, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    DR. Kate, thanks for posting that video of Kate Smith singing God Bless America, my favorite song. When I was little every day when I came in from school my mother had her show on and she was either singing that or Climb Every Mountain.

    Did you all notice at the end of the movie clip, the B rated movie star Ronald Reagan?

  14. 35 Papoose May 6, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    barack hussein obama. yeah, we can trace that back. ooops.

  15. 36 Troy May 6, 2011 at 9:26 pm

    Ewww that smell….Hey, Barry!….You stink, man!!!

  16. 39 Troy May 6, 2011 at 9:41 pm

    Keep pushin’ punks and “We the People” will be DC bound.

  17. 40 Troy May 6, 2011 at 10:10 pm

    Nancy was suppose to “drain the swamp” – the DC swamp is still full of gators, slugs and leeches.

    If someone asked me to move to DC, why, I would have to tell them that “I’d rather live with a hound dog for the rest of my natural-born life.”

    Hope you all enjoyed the Friday night concert….Cheers!

  18. 41 ARMY D.A.V. May 7, 2011 at 3:33 am

    Sen. David Vitter, R-La., to change those rules and restrict birthright citizenship.

    My bill limits birthright citizenship to individuals born in the United States with at least one parent who is a legal citizen, a green card holder or an active member of the U.S. armed forces,” said Vitter in introducing his legislation on the Senate floor last month.

    ******************************************

    WOW,these idiots really believe they can change the Constitution.

    http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/gov_bobby_jindal_releases_his.html

    • 42 anonymouse May 7, 2011 at 5:35 am

      Well he is talking about citizenship, not being a natural born citizen.

      And actually what he said reflects the current law, that at least 1 US citizen parent is required for birthright citizenship. This is a bill to set-straight the anchor baby misnomer that just being born here, 1 foot over the border, makes you a US citizen by birth…when it does not.

      I don’t think he’s reaching to change, rather enforce the constitution. However IF he had said 1 US citizen parent made a natural born citizen, then that would be a historical and legal and logic rewrite .

    • 43 anonymouse May 7, 2011 at 5:36 am

      But then again, his bill would make Jindal an illegal alien, which legally he is since he never naturalized.

    • 44 heather May 7, 2011 at 7:03 am

      Vitter—now a traitor……I believe he has become an obot like his pal Lindsey Graham.

    • 45 borderraven May 7, 2011 at 9:26 am

      Vitter”s bill cannot retroactively change Jindal’s status, and would require amending the US Constitution.

      Jindal, is a US Citizen, same as Wong Kim Ark.

      A revision to 8 USC 1401 could work and pass quickly.

      • 46 drkate May 7, 2011 at 9:38 am

        revisions to laws cannot change the constitution’s requirements for natural born citizen

        • 47 sky May 7, 2011 at 9:50 am

          1+1=3 to the fed. thepost&email

        • 48 borderraven May 7, 2011 at 1:01 pm

          But, a revision to the US Code can codify “natural born citizen”, and would be easier to pass than an amendment.

          Aliens and Nationality – 8 USC Section 1401c (PROPOSED)
          Sec. 1401c. Natural Born Citizens of United States at birth
          The following shall be Natural Born Citizens of the United States at birth:
          (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, where both parents are citizens of the U.S. under 8USC1401.

  19. 49 Stock May 7, 2011 at 5:16 am

    OT? I must have been sleepin or something or I must have missed it but-at that “Debate” on Thurs-the first question that wasnt asked was; Are you a “natural born citizen” and how can you establish that for the American people?

    This has got to be the first question asked at any “debate” from now on-the sponsors of these debates must be compelled to include this-

  20. 56 Katie May 7, 2011 at 6:06 am

    Now they’re trying to pass off Jindal as an NBC! Just found this linked from Hot Air – NOTICE ANYTHING MISSING??? (Hint – his parents weren’t citizens at the time of his birth!!!!)

    Gov. Bobby Jindal arrived in the United States in utero, his mother about three months pregnant.

    As he wrote last year in his book, “Leadership and Crisis,” his mother had been offered a scholarship in 1970 to complete a graduate degree in nuclear physics at LSU.

    When she informed the university that she couldn’t accept the scholarship because she was pregnant, “LSU wrote back and promised her a month off for childbirth if she changed her mind. LSU was so accommodating, and the opportunity to come to America so thrilling, that my parents accepted.

    “So, my parents stepped out on faith, secured green cards, packed up a few suitcases, said their goodbyes, and took off for this exotic new place called Baton Rouge, Louisiana.”

    They arrived Feb 1, 1971, and a bit over six months later, on June 10, 1971, Piyush Jindal was born at Woman’s Hospital in Baton Rouge, a natural-born U.S. citizen, who like every other child born in America, could, constitutionally, grow up to be president.

    Cont’d:

    http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2011/05/gov_bobby_jindal_releases_his.html

    • 57 heather May 7, 2011 at 7:30 am

      Jindal should be ashamed of himself, trying to pass himself off as a NBC when he KNOWS he is NOT. We must NIP this in the bud before this spreads to everyone and anyone who thinks because they were born here, are NBCs regardless of the parents status. Jindal may be a loyal american, but he is not Natural Born and cannot be potus. He should know this-especially with barrys identity scam. Shame on him.

    • 58 AttilasDaughter May 7, 2011 at 9:53 am

      Oh God, will this never end?

      Yes, I admit, native and natural sound very much alike. Both words start with an “N”.
      But it’s not the same.

      Okay, is a child born abroad to two Indian parents not automatically an Indian citizen? Dual citizen anyone?

  21. 62 Katie May 7, 2011 at 6:36 am

    The following comes from an April 2007 article by trained hypnotist, video podcaster, writer and teacher, Devon White, who says he “specializes in PR for the brain, promoting integrity, responsibility and conscious evolution through online video and lecture-performances on sex.” Be sure to check out White’s Sex with Devon website.

    Unsurprisingly, the link to White’s “23 Tools” was via a tweet by RethinkSocialism.

    White writes: “Now the power to rule the world and wag the cultural dog is at your fingertips. What follows are simple instructions, a manual, a playbook of sorts, some simple behavioral tools to influence and take advantage of the nervous systems of all your peers.”

    The 23 Tools:

    http://therealbarackobama.wordpress.com/2011/05/06/devon-whites-23-tools-to-brainwash-and-influence-people-through-media/

    White concludes: “By sticking to these simple premises you should be able to produce entire societies capable of ending world hunger, but too selfish to care. You will be able to bring about massive consumer mindsets and buying habits so powerful that logic and reason become superfluous in making the sale. You will be the new face of media. Good luck!”

    • 63 AttilasDaughter May 7, 2011 at 10:07 am

      13 Keep information bytes infinitesimally small. Promote Attention Deficit Disorder. Several decades of television have already set this in motion.

      . 14 Repetition is key. Repeat important messages as often as possible.

      . 15 Repetition is key.

      . 16 Repetition is key.

      “Yes we can”

  22. 64 no-nonsense-nancy May 7, 2011 at 7:48 am

    Wow, Katie, that is a great find. Very powerful. That is exactly what they have been doing. The steps, repeat, repeat, repeat, isn’t that what BO does, repeats the same nonsense over and over again? I have been very saddened after the realization a couple of years ago how my own grown children have been brainwashed just like this to some degree. Even my son who is a sworn conservative. These people like White need to be stopped. They are poison.
    I guess the reason that none of this has worked on me is the fact that I can’t be hypnotized. When I was in nursing school I was sent to a doctor, not even a psychiatrist, to supposedly improve my study habits. He would hypnotise the students who were sent to him. I aways thought he was freakish and he was unable to hypnotize me. He tried several times. Can’t be done.

    • 65 Katie May 7, 2011 at 8:59 am

      NN Nancy – that would make an interesting study, come to think of it.

      I can’t be hypnotized (or maybe it’s WON’T be hypnotized) either. And my most liberal friend who’s in an oblahblah trance is easily hypnotized.

      Hmmm…

    • 66 heather May 7, 2011 at 3:31 pm

      mind over matter and you apparently have a much stronger mind!!

  23. 67 eddie h. May 7, 2011 at 9:00 am

    the usurpur has played what was probably his largest trump card the fake and lying act of killing osama bin laden. i believe he had planned to play that card later just prior to the 2012 election but he got cornered like the rat he is and was forced to play that trump card early. i doubt he has another card that big to play so we can pursue him relentlessly now on his eligibility / birth certificate social security fraud selective service registration fraud and other crimes. but in the process of pursuing him we need to work diligently to take down the msm especially rush limbaugh and bill oreilly because without the protection of the media he will fall quickly. the media is our big enemy now more so than the usurpur. they are all protecting him knowing he is not eligible.

    • 68 heather May 7, 2011 at 3:35 pm

      eddie-I believe you are right–he got cornered with the BC–but that doesn’t mean he doesnt have another “trick” up his sleeve–like another false flag attack whereas he comes out as another HERO! after all arent they telling us that al qaeda has obtained nukes and plan to set them off in the US????? one place being given is DC.

      watch both hands closely–alex jones is warning about false flag terror attacks here.

  24. 69 Tenacity May 7, 2011 at 10:19 am

    In keeping with the principle of repetition. Let’s keep putting the Law of Nations definition of Natural Born Citizen out there for all to see. Again, let’s not ask anyone to give what they ‘think’ the definition ‘is’, but ask them if they fit the LoN definition codified by Vattel.

  25. 70 Tenacity May 7, 2011 at 10:22 am

    Everyone should be aware of NLP or neural linguistic patterns. S/Ob used these heavily when campaigning. This is how he managed to achieve rock star oratory status without saying anything of significance. All one had to do was read what he said to recognize the crowd response did not match the words.

  26. 71 borderraven May 7, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    How much did baby Obama weigh and how long was he?

    Maybe his birth hospital has the answer.

    • 73 heather May 7, 2011 at 4:13 pm

      Jan, awesome site and info! thanks for the link. chemtrails are real and I get sick of hearing people call them contrails because they are NOT!

  27. 74 Guesswhat May 7, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    We got to get the people’s mind off the OBL propaganda and keep spreading the truth about
    “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN” and that Obama is NOT ELIGIBLE to be POTUS. Where is The Donald
    when you need him!! Has he given up already
    due to that forged COLB?

    Wishful think, •World Predictions – 2011 Part II – NEW:
    “Prediction #20: The US military will sabotage President Obama’s administration by leaking damaging information on him to the public….”

  28. 75 Guesswhat May 7, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    C-SPAN now showing Orly’s hearing on
    eligibility.

  29. 76 heather May 7, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    for those interested go to the home page of foxnews and see what they are calling bin laden—watching tv–with bin laden on the tv and obamas pic in front of him–now tell me, they say the guy watching the tv is bin laden–and he is watching himself and obama? i did hear the interviewer who says that it is bin laden with a gray beard.


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