Getting Government out of the Way

©2011 drkate

What if the best solution is to do nothing?

New post coming up on the Cain affair distraction…and why the Tea Party is burning its wad there.

Open thread.

201 Responses to “Getting Government out of the Way”

  1. 1 drkate November 8, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    It seems like with the work of Kirk MacKenzie (last thread), and with Ron Paul as President, some things would begin to happen.

    How many would be willing to run for a seat in Congress when Paul is elected? 🙂

  2. 2 Jan November 8, 2011 at 11:50 pm

    I sure wish everyone could watch this several times until they fully understand what RP is all about.

    • 3 Starla November 12, 2011 at 11:39 am

      Ron Paul “Creation Of Super Congress Is Monstrous!”

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      Super Congress Will KILL Real Congress

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      Obama Attempting To Set Up Dictatorship!

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      • 4 Starla November 12, 2011 at 12:10 pm

        Here is an outstanding excerpt under the above outstanding Alex Jones video!! I love Alex Jones’s outstanding work, & outstanding spirit & heart!!



        “Today, July 11, 2011, Alex outlines how Obama is establishing a dictatorship in the White House. Recently, It has been reported by the Huffington post that Obama plans to ‘Unveil Gun Control Reforms’ by using executive actions once again dodging the U.S. House of representatives and the Constitution. This is just one the most recent event in a series of moves by Obama to cause the executive branch to shift into an unquestionable ruling dictatorship. Another White House proposal covered in this video is a plan to enact a 143 year old civil war clause to help solve some of the current U.S. debt issues.”

        It is important to note that Obama himself is not about to become the US dictator. These dictatorial powers are being re-routed to the office of the president itself by an unelected group of the global elite who are ultimately interested in establishing a One World Government ruled by themselves. It doesn’t matter which puppets are switched in and out of the office of the president, as long as it goes unchecked, the New World Order will continue to advance their imperialistic scientific genocide agenda in our name.”

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        By John Ransom


        “The decision by the Obama administration to delay any action on the XL Keystone pipeline until after the election is a fitting development for an administration that has pursued a bankrupt energy policy, a bankrupt jobs policy and is quite literally bankrupting the country with politics thinly veiled as policy.

        And the beauty for Obama in this latest axe he’s taken to jobs in the USA is that he doesn’t even have consider Congress while he’s swinging it. He can kill close to a half-a-million jobs all on his own.”

        Read The Full Article Here:,000_jobs_immediately

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  3. 11 Katie November 9, 2011 at 7:22 am

    I agree the whole Cain story is being used as a distraction, and found the Lame Cherry post yesterday and started spreading it around. However, last night I saw this correction, and feel compelled to un-do the possible misinformation from LC.

  4. 13 Ann November 9, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Dr. Paul has the answers! I don’t know why people can’t understand what he’s saying unless they just don’t like him in the first place for some unknown reason. Everybody is so used to the President being a war-monger that they don’t understand his position on that front. Even some in the so-called conservative news (online, not TV) call him a kook or “enemy of Israel”. It’s ridiculous.

    • 14 Tenacity November 9, 2011 at 9:26 am

      Ann, watch closely who makes those comments about Dr. Paul. Record a list of them as it tells you clearly who are working for the globalist establishment, knowingly or as useful idiots.

      At the risk of annoying a few, Red White & Blue fever is still running high amongst many conservatives. If you believe we need troops deployed all over the world to be militarily strong, I highly recommend you read Pat Shannan’s book “Everything They* Ever Told Me was a Lie”. All of the wars we have fought have been instigated by the Luciferian International banklords and/or Jesuit order; who work hand in hand to wipe out the protestant & orthodox churches, make money and control population. We need a strong defense and the status quo is weakening us, not strengthening us. We must defend our borders and the status quo is distracting us from that priority.

    • 15 Starla November 12, 2011 at 11:43 am

      Ron Paul to Congress: Stop Stealing from the American People

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  5. 16 no-nonsense-nancy November 9, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Now I have seen it all OWS sign: “i quit my job so I could protest joblessness” Is it scary to anyone else that these are possibly the future congress critters of America?


  6. 17 Tenacity November 9, 2011 at 10:54 am

    OT, I would like for everyone to read this article.

    Effectively, this does the same thing as MMS. If I had cancer, I would be using both.

    • 18 dabigragu November 9, 2011 at 11:39 am

      Thanks Ten, great article.

    • 19 heather November 9, 2011 at 1:53 pm

      Interesting Ten-thanks.

    • 20 PharmD November 9, 2011 at 10:11 pm

      Oral administration of bicarb is going to be largely ineffective. Your stomach acid will neutralize it.

      If for some reason you went via intravascular route to avoid stomach acid, alkalosis (an alkaline blood pH) can potentially cause problems with electrolytes such as potassium. When you get alkalotic, your body will try to fix the problem by exchanging potassium for hydrogen to restore balance. When potassium goes in the cells (instead of in the blood) you can get arrhythmia. Feel free to research hypokalemia. It’s not something you’d want to do.

      Also, that article says that acidic = fast and hot and basic = slow and cool. That’s not necessarily true. Enzymes and proteins ARE affected by pH, but not all proteins work in a more alkaline environment. There are a wide range of pH values for different parts of your body. The proteins and enzymes you have in each part pretty much work best at the pH of that environment.

      I can see potential benefits to using it to fight lactic acid buildup from exercise. I’m a runner. I get that. But acid base balance is tricky business. It doesn’t take a big shift to cause some serious damage, either by MMS, bicarb, or anything else. You have to be REALLY careful not to take too much, because you can overshoot the thing you’re trying to correct.

      Plus, something you have to consider would be any other drugs you’re taking. The bulk of drugs are eliminated from the body in the urine. If you make your blood more basic, the urine will be more acidic by comparison. Any drugs that are basic will therefore be eliminated faster. In general, it’s a bad thing for drugs to be eliminated faster.

      Just a lot to think about when you start messing with stuff. God made us pretty carefully. When you start messing with any aspect of physiology, you’d be amazed at what else you change.

      It’s not just that I’m pro-drug. Just trying to say, be careful what you put in your body. Be it a food, a drug, a supplement, or anything else. The law of unintended consequences can hit hard.

  7. 21 Tenacity November 9, 2011 at 11:08 am

    So is everyone unplugging in 45 minutes or so?

    • 27 Jan November 9, 2011 at 12:16 pm

      Well, what a joke. Evidently cabel channels didn’t have to run it. Megan Kelly sat there for 30-seconds saying, “this is a test”, and repeating the standard verbage. No screen signs and the only thing I noticed was that my hard drive was active, more so than usual.
      I did not unplug or turn off anything because my son that works for Hewlett Packard did not even know about this until I asked him what he thought about it.
      His opinion was it was just obat flexing the muscle between his ears.

      • 28 heather November 9, 2011 at 12:39 pm

        omg-are you kidding me! megan kelly was announcing? thats not the way it was supposed to go down! what a joke–idiots-pure unadultered idiots.

  8. 29 heather November 9, 2011 at 11:15 am

    O’R is nothing but a obot lover–he has proved this over and over since he had barry throw his pixie dust in his eyes when he did the first interview with him–where barry kept reaching out touching O’Rs knee!

    Nothing but another loud mouth arrogant thug–screams at everyone who doesnt appease him.

    • 31 Jan November 9, 2011 at 5:03 pm

      Yes, and that huge storm is supposed to hit Washington tomorrow and then my area Fri nite. So, in honor of the huge storm coming they are criss crossing my sky to the southwest like crazy. Now they are directly overhead.
      Hey EPA, how ’bout some air quality control over the sky?

  9. 32 DABIGRAGU November 9, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Pretty quite here, everybody ok?

  10. 38 Katie November 9, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    On the verge? Jeez, how many more clues do we need?

    “Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) says President Obama’s continued use of the executive order “brings the modern presidency dangerously close to an elective dictatorship.”

    “That is arrogant,” Paul said of Obama frequently using the executive order function as of late. “It is flaunting the Constitution and the whole principle of how we’re supposed to operate. The idea they can just do this and take over the legislative function and brag about it — and Congress does nothing and the courts do nothing about it, it’s very, very bad.”

    “He’s dictatorial, is what he is,” Rep. Paul said before the end of the interview.” Video at link:

  11. 39 drkate November 9, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    A nice thought:

    ON veterans day 2011, Obama thought he was going to watch a football game on a US Navy carrier. Instead, when he got there, the Navy arrested him and threw him in the brig, awaiting trial. 😀

    • 40 heather November 9, 2011 at 12:28 pm

      Wouldn’t that be the best gift our military gave us as an early Christmas present!!

      Just a thought on the new 15 cent Christmas tree tax………this proves he is a muslim, he is calling a soft jihad on all Christians to finalize our destruction.

    • 41 Ann November 9, 2011 at 12:43 pm

      Don’t get my hopes up like that!! lol

    • 42 Starla November 12, 2011 at 1:39 pm


      Obama Release Your Records
      November 10, 2011




      “Attorney Orly Taitz: Today I was able to participate on a conference call with Congressman Raul Labrador from ID. He is a Tea Party leader and a member of the most powerful House committee on oversight, led by Darrel Issa.

      Congr. Labrador is well aware of my work, he knows who I am. Right now their number one goal is prosecution of “Fast and Furious.” They are seeking resignation or removal of Eric Holder, possible criminal prosecution of Holder.

      Where To Contact All Congress Members:

      ~ A Comment From: ~

      From Miki Booth,

      It was freezing cold due to wind but about 200+ hardy patriots and veterans turned out. Many left before the program was over because of the cold. The program was great and solidarity between veterans and tea party patriots was further cemented. JB had an awesome lineup of speakers. I thought it was pretty incredible they were able to get the permit and raise the money to pay for staging and excellent sound system at such short notice.

      Today is the beginning of something extraordinary. The Declaration to Restore the Constitutional Republic is our line in the sand. Obama’s tyrannical regime will be taken down. One way or another. Next Veterans Day will be a day of celebration or defeat.

      What will it be?
      Join or die.


      November 11, 2011 9:03 PM”

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  12. 44 heather November 9, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    stocks down 400 points today! wth. more theft. just when we climb back up they find a way to steal it again–another 10-2008 scam.

  13. 47 Ann November 9, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    Does the gubment ever get anything right??? WHY would they think this would work then? lol I got nothing. Didn’t have the radio on though so something may have happened there.

    • 48 heather November 9, 2011 at 1:02 pm

      No Ann, I don’ t think anything happened. Had the radio on 2 minutes before and back on 10 minutes later.

      No one on the news is saying anything about it.

  14. 50 Jan November 9, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    Just watched the Judge arrested for Treason. ———————–on side panel
    Loved it, would sure like to see a follow up on the outcome.
    How did they get so many people there without TPTB finding out and stopping it?
    I still have a dream of locking down Congress/Senate and arresting the whole bunch.

  15. 55 SirLurksAlot November 9, 2011 at 1:28 pm

    Dabigrague: I tried to use the reply function but it didn’t work, re; why unplug?

    At the risk of sounding foolish, I’ll take a shot at this.

    Every home has about 110 volts of alternating current fed into it(+110 to -110). This means that 180 times per second there are zero volts at the outlet. During those times it is possible to insert or extract info. They don’t do it all the time because there are transmission facilities to contend with. With a test like this those facdilities are bypassed.

    Bear in mind, I have a conspiritorial mind. I see shadows everywhere.

    BTW all: I was watching a movie on amc. The screen jumped to the alert screen. My computer was unplugged. Did anyone experience an internet outage?

    • 56 DABIGRAGU November 9, 2011 at 4:55 pm

      Hey SirLurksAlot, Thanks for the reply. I have no problem with the ‘conspiratorial mind’, you had info that I had no knowledge of but it makes perfect sense. I did unplug for about 3min and went wireless on my laptop. No internet outage, but as I stated I switched over to wireless from the PC.
      Again, thanks for the info, appreciate it. You too, heather.

  16. 57 cynkading November 9, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    I don’t post often but read daily. There was a test in my area which is Arkansas. I did not have my tv or computer on but I know this because my husband called from work and told me they heard the test on their radios at work. His boss had his computer on and it flashed across the screen. Not sure what that means other than maybe they were letting others know that a test was being conducted. I don’t know about whether the internet had been interrupted or not. Just fyi.

    I do not like this one bit. I appreciate all of the info I read here. Thanks

  17. 58 cynkading November 9, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    I just refuse to willingly submit to anything whether a test or anything else that is being foisted on us.

  18. 59 no-nonsense-nancy November 9, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Nothing happened to me. I unplugged one computer and turned my cell phone off. i was listening to a blog talk radio show on a laptop which I was using an air card with and had it running on the battery. No interruption of the show. I don’t have TV or a radio.

  19. 60 heather November 9, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    ot–all this crap about Hermann Cain is very troubling. They are going after him as a black man forcing white women into sex—and stipulating had radical and racist he is. Wow – this is horrible for him and I do not believe one iota of this propaganda–he is so far ahead of the rest of them and the dems are scared to death—he can beat barry in a heartbeat –and he would take all the black and hispanic votes away from the dems —— so they have to destroy an innocent person for their power to remain intact.

    enough is enough leave the man alone–these women are plants….or they would have come forward yrs ago. I just want to shake these idiots who believe this.

  20. 63 Tenacity November 9, 2011 at 2:33 pm

    It is my belief that they were testing the electronic devices they installed in all the studios to see if they were able to override normal broadcasting. I did not unplug anything…I was just asking. In fact, I didn’t even pay any attention to anything and kept working. Yes, flexing their muscles and normalizing interruption. I suspect this will continue and possible be pushed a little further until somebody screams bloody murder and tells them to take a hike.

  21. 64 Ann November 9, 2011 at 3:19 pm

    I’ve since read where it didn’t work on our radio stations either so I guess either somebody’s blocking them or the gubment is just stupid – ok not a choice! lol I didn’t turn off anything either. I never lost internet service. Hmm, guess it was a FAIL in our areas. I think with all the “uproar” they’ve been talking about they may not push it. We’ll see I guess.

  22. 66 jane November 9, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    Off topic, and I do apologize….is anyone having difficulty getting to Dr. Manning’s site? Seems like Google has made it disappear.

    • 67 Tenacity November 9, 2011 at 4:31 pm

      Jane, it looks like the archive domain has laps. The postings for today at were recorded over the last 2 days. A couple of Mannings affiliated channels have domains that have laps as well.

    • 68 Jan November 9, 2011 at 4:59 pm

      My internet is running like a snail.

    • 69 drkate November 9, 2011 at 5:01 pm

      Nothing’s off topic in an open thread! 🙂

      • 70 Starla November 12, 2011 at 2:52 pm


        By Pamela Geller
        Saturday, November 12, 2011

        Read More Here:

      • 72 Starla November 12, 2011 at 3:00 pm

        Two Very Informative Comments From:

        “bob strauss | November 12, 2011 at 4:12 pm


        Read More Here:

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        “hapnHal | November 12, 2011 at 4:32 pm |

        How About this????


        “The first ever GAO(Government Accountability Office) audit of the Federal Reserve was carried out in the past few months due to the Ron Paul, Alan Grayson Amendment to the Dodd-Frank bill, which passed last year. Jim DeMint, a Republican Senator, and Bernie Sanders, an independent Senator, led the charge for a Federal Reserve audit in the Senate, but watered down the original language of the house bill(HR1207), so that a complete audit would not be carried out. Ben Bernanke(pictured to the right), Alan Greenspan, and various other bankers vehemently opposed the audit and lied to Congress about the effects an audit would have on markets. Nevertheless, the results of the first audit in the Federal Reserve’s nearly 100 year history were posted on Senator Sander’s webpage earlier this morning.

        What was revealed in the audit was startling:

        $16,000,000,000,000.00 had been secretly given out to US banks and corporations and foreign banks everywhere from France to Scotland. From the period between December 2007 and June 2010, the Federal Reserve had secretly bailed out many of the world’s banks, corporations, and governments. The Federal Reserve likes to refer to these secret bailouts as an all-inclusive loan program, but virtually none of the money has been returned and it was loaned out at 0% interest. Why the Federal Reserve had never been public about this or even informed the United States Congress about the $16 trillion dollar bailout is obvious – the American public would have been outraged to find out that the Federal Reserve bailed out foreign banks while Americans were struggling to find jobs.

        To place $16 trillion into perspective, remember that GDP of the United States is only $14.12 trillion. The entire national debt of the United States government spanning its 200+ year history is “only” $14.5 trillion. The budget that is being debated so heavily in Congress and the Senate is “only” $3.5 trillion. Take all of the outrage and debate over the $1.5 trillion deficit into consideration, and swallow this Red pill: There was no debate about whether $16,000,000,000,000 would be given to failing banks and failing corporations around the world.

        In late 2008, the TARP Bailout bill was passed and loans of $800 billion were given to failing banks and companies. That was a blatant lie considering the fact that Goldman Sachs alone received 814 billion dollars. As is turns out, the Federal Reserve donated $2.5 trillion to Citigroup, while Morgan Stanley received $2.04 trillion. The Royal Bank of Scotland and Deutsche Bank, a German bank, split about a trillion and numerous other banks received hefty chunks of the $16 trillion.

        “This is a clear case of socialism for the rich and rugged, you’re-on-your-own individualism for everyone else.” – Bernie Sanders (I-VT)

        When you have conservative Republican stalwarts like Jim DeMint(R-SC) and Ron Paul(R-TX) as well as self identified Democratic socialists like Bernie Sanders all fighting against the Federal Reserve, you know that it is no longer an issue of Right versus Left. When you have every single member of the Republican Party in Congress and progressive Congressmen like Dennis Kucinich sponsoring a bill to audit the Federal Reserve, you realize that the Federal Reserve is an entity onto itself, which has no oversight and no accountability.

        Americans should be swelled with anger and outrage at the abysmal state of affairs when an unelected group of bankers can create money out of thin air and give it out to megabanks and supercorporations like Halloween candy. If the Federal Reserve and the bankers who control it believe that they can continue to devalue the savings of Americans and continue to destroy the US economy, they will have to face the realization that their trillion dollar printing presses will eventually plunder the world economy.

        The list of institutions that received the most money from the Federal Reserve can be found on page 131 of the GAO Audit and are as follows..

        Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
        Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
        Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
        Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
        Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
        Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
        Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
        Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
        JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
        Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
        UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
        Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
        Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
        Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
        BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
        and many many more including banks in Belgium of all places

        View the 266-page GAO audit of the Federal Reserve(July 21st, 2011):

        FULL PDF on GAO server:
        Senator Sander’s Article:

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  23. 73 drkate November 9, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    OT–this is a WSJ article available to non-subscribers for only 7 days, so am quoting it in its entirety here.

    Title: Why Newt Gingrich could win:

    Newt Gingrich’s rise in the polls—from near zero to the third slot in several polls—should come as no surprise to people who have been watching the Republican debates, now drawing television viewers as never before. The former speaker has stood out at these forums, the debater whose audiences seem to hang on his words and on a flow of thought rich in substance, a world apart from the usual that the political season brings.

    “Substance” is too cold a word, perhaps, for the intense feeling that candidate Gingrich delivers so coolly in debates. Too cold too, no doubt, to describe the reactions of his listeners, visible on the faces of the crowds attending these forums—in their expressions, caught on C-SPAN’s cameras, in the speed with which their desultory politeness disappears once a Gingrich talk begins. Their disengagement—the tendency to look around the room, chat with their neighbors—vanishes. The room is on high alert.

    The Gingrich effect showed dramatically at the Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition forum last month—an occasion for which most of the candidates had, not surprisingly, prepared addresses focused on the importance of religion in their lives. Michele Bachmann told how, after struggle and indecision, she had found her way to God. So did Rick Perry. Rick Santorum provided a lengthy narrative on his personal commitment to the battle against partial-birth abortion—a history evidently from which no detail had been omitted. Ron Paul offered quotes from the Old and New Testaments where, it seems, he located support for his views on the dollar.

    Editorial board member Dorothy Rabinowitz discusses why she thinks Newt Gingrich could win the Republican nomination. Photo: AP.

    There were two exceptions to the lineup of speeches embracing religious themes. One was Herman Cain, who concentrated on the meaning of American freedom and admonished the crowd to stay informed, “because stupid people are running America.” The other was Mr. Gingrich. No one else’s remarks would ignite the huge response his talk did.

    He began with the declaration that Americans were confronting the most important election choice since 1860. America would have the chance in 2012, Mr. Gingrich said, to repudiate decisively decades of leftward drift in our universities and colleges, our newsrooms, our judicial system and bureaucracies.

    He would go on to detail the key policies he would put in place if elected, something other Republican candidates have done regularly to little effect. The Gingrich list was interrupted by thunderous applause at every turn. The difference was, as always, in the details—in the informed, scathing descriptions of the Obama policies to be dispatched and replaced, the convincing tone that suggested such a transformation was likely—even imminent.

    Mr. Gingrich predicted, too, that late on Election Night—after it was clear that President Obama had been defeated along with the Democrats in the Senate—the recovery would begin, at once. His audience roared with pleasure. No other Republican candidate could have made the promise so persuasive.

    Finally, Mr. Gingrich announced that as the Republican nominee he would challenge President Obama to seven Lincoln-Douglas-style debates. “I think I can represent American exceptionalism, free enterprise, the rights of private property and the Constitution, better than he can represent class warfare, bureaucratic socialism, weakness in foreign policy, and total confusion in the economy.”

    When it came time to answer questions from a panel of journalists, he was asked first about energy, one of those vital subjects that don’t tend to yield lively commentary. How would Mr. Gingrich’s policies differ from those of the current administration?

    Mr. Gingrich launched into a lethal thumbnail description of the Obama administration’s energy policy. The president, he said, had gone to Brazil and told the Brazilians he was really glad they were drilling offshore and that he would like America to be their best customer. “The job of the American president,” Mr. Gingrich told the panel, “is not to be a purchasing agent for a foreign country—it’s to be a salesman for the United States of America.”

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    Associated Press

    Presidential candidate and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich

    The former speaker of the House is a dab hand at drawing listeners in, for good reason—he showers them with details, facts and history in a degree no candidate in recent memory has even approached. Audiences have a way of rewarding such trust.

    No one listening that night to candidate Gingrich’s reflections on the menace of radical judges from Lincoln’s time on down could have ignored the power of his fiery assessment—including the Dred Scott decision, others by courts today that threaten our national security, and much in between.

    The Iowa contest ahead is all important for Mr. Gingrich. The same is truer still for Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum. Ms. Bachmann has been looking increasingly aware that her hopes are fading. Mr. Santorum now seems to inhabit a world so nearly exclusive in its focus on family and family values that it’s hard to imagine him a successful contender for the presidency of a large and varied nation of Americans with other concerns, the non-family kind included.

    Then there’s Congressman Ron Paul, who last weekend let it be known that if he doesn’t like the views of the person who wins the nomination, he won’t support the Republican candidate. This is a good reason—one of many—for Mr. Paul to retire himself from further debates. It’s a certainty, to put it mildly, that he’s not going to be the nominee.

    It would be passing strange to have as a candidate for the presidency of the United States an envenomed crank who regularly offers justification for the 9/11 attacks that resulted in the annihilation of 3,000 Americans. It was an act, Mr. Paul explains in these exculpatory sermonettes, to which the terrorists were driven by American policies. Mr. Paul may get all the fond buddy treatment in the world from his fellow debaters, but few Americans outside of his devoted army of isolationist fanatics will forget these views.

    That leaves Mitt Romney, and Messrs. Perry, Cain and Gingrich heading the list of competitors for Iowa. Mr. Cain’s prospects were good until this week brought accusatory testimony from another woman—one who showed up in person, with plenty of detail. Charges of lies, financial motives and conspiracies notwithstanding, it’s hard to see how Mr. Cain weathers this disaster. No outsider can know what actually did or did not happen. But all the snorting in the world about Gloria Allred, the accuser’s attorney, isn’t going to change the impact of this highly specific accusation.

    Whoever his competitors are in Iowa and beyond, Mr. Gingrich faces a hard fight for the nomination. His greatest asset lies in his capacity to speak to Americans as he has done, with such potency, during the Republican debates. No candidate in the field comes close to his talent for connection. There’s no underestimating the importance of such a power in the presidential election ahead, or any other one.

    His rise in the polls suggests that more and more Republicans are absorbing that fact, along with the possibility that Mr. Gingrich’s qualifications all ’round could well make him the most formidable contender for the contest with Barack Obama.

    • 74 DABIGRAGU November 9, 2011 at 5:11 pm

      “an envenomed crank who regularly offers justification for the 9/11 attacks that resulted in the annihilation of 3,000 Americans”

      “Envenomed crank”? Who wrote this? JDL or Rabinowitz? This author let the cat out of the bag.

      • 75 drkate November 9, 2011 at 5:30 pm

        I know…this is truly scary as TPTB are totally aligned against Americans and America. They put up all these candidates and ignore Paul…I swear even if all the votes counted went for Paul they’d declare Romney/Gingrich/Perry/anyone but Paul the winner.

      • 79 drkate November 9, 2011 at 6:02 pm

        Agree. AND, this one position of Ron Paul must be explained as his standard answer now makes it possible for people to talk about him this way…”justification” for 911. In my view, this is a non-starter, AND he has been booed many times for this. It makes him look heartless and vastly diminishes the seriousness of that attack and who perpetuated it. I am still convinced that 911 was in fact a NWO attack on the US, using multiple people as scapegoats to blame.

        • 80 heather November 9, 2011 at 8:19 pm

          I agreed Dr Kate–an inside job to say the least. To much proof that it was-Pa. crash–no signs of anything, just a hole in the ground that had been there prior.

          Pentagan–no wings at the crash site. A witness said it was a rocket not a plane.

          NY–proven by the architects and engineers that thermite was painted on the beams and steel can’t just melt under the jet fuel that burned off quickly and the visible signs of all 3 buildings imploding into their own foot print at free fall speed. Yes, too much proof that these were deliberate false flags to start terror threats and control us and ditch the constitution.

  24. 81 Troy November 9, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    I am still convinced that 911 was in fact a NWO attack on the US, using multiple people as scapegoats to blame.
    Yep, just like they did with Kennedy and Oswald.

  25. 83 Troy November 9, 2011 at 6:33 pm

    Sheriff Joe threatened for probing eligibility
    Says intimidation comes from drug lords, Obama fans: ‘I’m not sure which are worse’
    Posted: November 09, 2011
    8:29 pm Eastern

    By Jerome R. Corsi
    © 2011 WND

    Amid death threats, Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio is scratching his head over the major media’s virtual silence about his decision to investigate Barack Obama’s eligibility to run for re-election.

    “Getting death threats is nothing new for me,” Arpaio told WND, referring to his national reputation as a tough enforcer of immigration laws. “But why has the media has decided to black out all news of our Obama investigation? That’s what I don’t understand.

    “I’m a controversial guy and usually the media is all over me,” he continued, “but when I decided to investigate Obama, the media has suddenly gone missing in action.”

    Arpaio said that if the media’s strategy is to minimize the impact of his investigation by ignoring it, it is not likely to work.

    “If the mainstream media thinks our investigation will go away if it remains unreported, they’re wrong. The investigation is proceeding, and I fully anticipate we will publish a report early next year.”

    Jerome Corsi’s New York Times best-seller, “Where’s the Birth Certificate?”, which addresses Obama’s Social Security Number, is now available for immediate shipping, autographed by the author, only from the WND Superstore

    He said his law enforcement investigation is being professionally conducted and is wide-ranging in scope. It includes an investigation into whether or not Barack Obama is using a fraudulent Social Security number, as WND has previously reported, as well as whether the birth certificate issued by the White House on April 27 is a forgery.

    Arpaio said he was also surprised by how vile the threats he has gotten from Obama supporters turn out to be.

    “I’ve got the drug cartels from Mexico sending me death threats,” he said, “and now I have the Obama supporters sending me death threats. I’m not sure which are worse.”

    Arpaio told WND he turns over all threats to his office for investigation.

    (Story continues below)
    Read more: Sheriff Joe threatened for probing eligibility

    • 84 Jan November 9, 2011 at 6:46 pm

      I pray someone will get the info on Bari whatever, the kid that had the major accident in Hawaii, to Sheriff Joe, it might be the smoking gun

    • 85 heather November 9, 2011 at 8:23 pm

      If these threats against Sheriff Joe continue and get worse then he should know without a doubt that barry is a usurper and his admin too. I hope he has heavy duty body guards.

  26. 86 Jan November 9, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    If I were the Captain on the ship where obat will be, I would turn the ship out to sea and leave obat there all by himself. Oops, he fell overboard.


    BECAUSE OF APEC Asian Pacific Cooperation Conference in Honolulu, the people of Hawai’i are being denied their event to support and thank America’s veterans. Hawai’i has been totally taken over by the communist regime headed by Obama lackey and fellow doper Neil Abercrombie along with socialist DNC cronies now occupying Hawai’i state government.

    Lions Club was unable to get a permit for the parade due to unavailability of “special duty” police who are entirely working security and escort for WORLD LEADERS and the USUPER IN CHIEF during APEC.

    Don’t be fooled – this is a deliberate action to, yet again, disrespect our nation’s military.
    Paul Vallely


    See you on the battlefield!


  27. 90 Jan November 9, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    Anyone catch the debate?
    A few notes and then I missed part of it:
    There is a total jackass on the panel, some money guy, yelling and swinging his arms.
    Oh, one panel guy is getting Romney good!!! Pointing out how he flip flops.
    Newt knows all the right things to say.
    The female panelist just hit Cain with the last few days and his character and the crowd booed big time.
    Cain came back with good answers and lots of cheers.
    Tried to get Romney to hit on Cain and he would not.
    Ron Paul is doing great, actually being allowed to speak
    Perry goofed on something, don’t know what

  28. 94 no-nonsense-nancy November 9, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Shame on yo, Barry, for scaring that little Heas Start girl.

    • 95 no-nonsense-nancy November 9, 2011 at 8:25 pm

      “I don’t think that’s gonna work Mither Prethident”.

    • 96 heather November 9, 2011 at 8:28 pm

      NNN-I saw this last night — where he was sitting in a classroom and all the kids were black–this is racism……..he refuses to acknowledge any white kids at all and michelle too! All are black and hispanic.

      I guess michelle’s name for us is coming through loud and clear, “whitey”.

      Talk about abusing the race card–and if I were Hermann I would scream racism against him–it is what it is.

      • 97 no-nonsense-nancy November 9, 2011 at 10:04 pm

        Heather, I saw it last night, too. They only showed the black kids. That is the Delaware County Head Start near Philly and not too far from me. Guaranteed, there are plenty of white, Hispanic, etc. kids in that program. It’s no way in the city of Philadelphia. It’s in a rich area in the subarbs. Parents of other than black kids should raise a fuss if they would see those pictures.

  29. 98 Jan November 9, 2011 at 8:23 pm

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  30. 103 no-nonsense-nancy November 9, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Perry may as well give it up now. Wifey will just have to accept the fact of not becoming first mamma from the Lone Star state. I have read where she pushes him.

    • 104 heather November 10, 2011 at 8:30 am

      I don’t think Perry wanted to run to begin with, she pushed him and TPTB did as well. He had said all along, he wanted to govern Tx. I agree he was pushed.

  31. 105 no-nonsense-nancy November 9, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    From Is New Yorker’s tax money paying for this? These women are crazy to be there.

    Let it sink in: Their protests now need rape shelters. This is actually happening. And New York City lets it go on.

    Zuccotti Park has become so overrun by sexual predators attacking women in the night that organizers felt compelled to set up a female-only sleeping tent yesterday to keep the sickos away

  32. 106 no-nonsense-nancy November 9, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    A very good video on the rape situation. This guy is good.

  33. 107 no-nonsense-nancy November 9, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    I’m heading down toward DC in the morning, meeting up with SallyAL! We will be at the rally on Friday. Looking forward to it.

  34. 109 Tenacity November 10, 2011 at 12:44 am

    Tonight’s Walls In Our Minds will feature Aaron Bolinger of the Sherman Institute and Kirk MacKenzie will be back with us to give us an update on what’s happening with the sheriffs in northern CA & southern Oregon. Promises to be a fascinating show. Show starts at 8 p.m. Central or 6 p.m. Pacific.

    Aaron Bolinger, a 3-decade state activist, former registered lobbyist, and the Legislative Director for both the National Veterans Committee on Constitutional Affairs (NVCCA) & Aaron Russo’s Restore the Republic (RTR), is a founder of the Sherman Institute, an online university offering degrees in Political Science, Theology and General Studies. Here is a recent Presentation on the Sherman Institute:

  35. 111 Voco indubium November 10, 2011 at 3:40 am

    RE: Ron Paul

    You may send me in exile from this site. But I still have to say it:

    What Ron said in the video about the economy and fiscal policy is 100% right. However, he does not seem to understand foreign policy. Yes it is a good idea to reduce forces in Japan and Germany, but he wants to pull them out immediately from Afghanistan. The Afghan government would fall to Teleban or El Qaida in the minute the last American solder boards the plane home. 10 years blood and money, down in the drain in a minute.

    RE: Gingrich – WSJ article

    Gingrich is a smart guy, he understands how the word functions. Don’t forget Contract with America that he engineered. It was major conservative achievement.

    However, O would beat either RP or Gingrich, if nominated, if the eligibility is not used. Get used to the idea that the battle is lost, O will win. The media will destroy any nominee. Cain is not even a nominee yet, but he is already knocked out of the game, by the vicious media. Just wait and watch the intensity and the maliciousness of the attacks once the GOP nominates someone. The media controls this election. They control it, because the candidates are either stupid or cowards.

    • 112 Troy November 10, 2011 at 7:55 am

      For the life of me, I can’t understand how anyone can think for one minute that Obama can win re-election….The dude doesn’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected again….The GOP could run Humpty Dumpty and win the election….The DEMS know this too and that is why Barry will declare martial law in late spring or early summer of 2012.

      Barry would lose in any fair election by 20 – 30 points….A monumental landslide!

      • 113 Ann November 10, 2011 at 8:24 am

        Agree Troy! I can’t imagine anyone being stupid enough to vote for that anti-American jerk currently usurping the POTUS! With all the investigations going on, I think (probably wishful thinking) that O will be forced to resign, possibly by his own party.

      • 114 drkate November 10, 2011 at 10:43 am

        “fair election” are the key words. What I believe is that there will not be a fair election; the republicans will divide among themselves; Paul and/or Trump will run as a third party candidate, and O will win by default. I do believe O will win against Romney in a ‘fair election’, but not against Gingrich, who will run circles around him in debate. But Gingrich has a lot of hurdles. Cain is out of the running and cannot recover from this slime attack. See the media is now claiming they can do ‘fair coverage’ of a ‘black’ candidate…dodging all the sure signs of racism as the calling card of the demon-crats.

        • 115 drkate November 10, 2011 at 10:48 am

          …this does not mean I support Gingrich. All of them better toughen up.

          • 116 Voco indubium November 10, 2011 at 11:53 am

            Troy. We just have to agree that we have different opinions on this matter. I agree with 99% of DrKate’s remarks above. I stand by my opinion that the media controls this election and if the major candidates do not use the eligibility and make it impossible for the media to stay silent about it, this election will be won by O.

            Ask anyone who voted for O in 2008 – almost all will tell you that they will vote for O again. And the media’s attack against the GOP candidates has barely started. Look what they make out of Perry’s slight forgetfulness. The issue is elevated to the level of the “definition of is”.

            RE: ( Drkate) Gingrich would beat O in a debate

            Of course he would. He has more brain in his little finger than O in his head. But that does not mean that he will get the votes.

            The country is polarized. The voters on the left do not care about complex national policy issues. It is from sound-bites on TV they form their judgment, and looks and external personality projection.

            Look, how easy it was to KO Cain from the ring. Almost a child’s play. It will be equally easy to destroy any GOP nominee.

        • 117 heather November 10, 2011 at 5:56 pm

          Remember thoug, Newt doesn’t need or use a teleprompter! And yes, he would run rings around barry leaving barry to cry wolf and “sic” his thugs on Newt–but I got a gut feeling that barry doesn’t have the guts to try and destroy Newt. Just my opinion.

    • 118 Katie November 10, 2011 at 8:02 am

      This is why Steven Bannon’s documentary about Sarah Palin’s career is so vital for everyone to see.

      It is as much an eye opener on her achievements as an effective leader and executive as it is an exposure of the tactics of the media. I have told people over and over again, even if she wasn’t the person you supported, you should watch this documentary because the same tactics will be used on the person you do support.

      It’s such an effective documentary, that even people who previously despised Palin (because they believed the media’s lies) walked away admitting they’d been duped and they were ashamed of how they contributed to the false narrative.

      The positive aspect is that it’s waking more and more people up to understanding just how far our free press has gone into full blown propagandists. I don’t call them PRESStitutes for nothin’!

    • 122 bill November 10, 2011 at 8:29 am

      Your right VI when you say “The media controls this election.” but every time I have posted that citizens should leave the MSMs penniless until they decide to start “objective reporting” the post gets instantly deleted. This has happened at so called “Conservative sites” I really don’t mind being called a crackpot but I do wonder why this idea (from a crackpot) gets deleted immediately.? It definitely strikes fear in the hearts of the “hidden agenda” folks. 🙂 cheers

      • 123 Voco indubium November 10, 2011 at 12:07 pm


        See my comments above addressed to Troy and DrKate, and tell me if you agree or not.

        How the media became this way? One could wright a book on that.

        • 124 bill November 10, 2011 at 9:13 pm

          Well VI,The media became the way it is by the fact that I didn’t have an inkling
          the MSMs were actually scripting everything that the powers that be,wanted.I can’t speak for anyone else.The only area I have any differences with drkate is what we
          call them. I call them MSMs and drkate calls them LSMs. The only reason for this digression is these Networks know PRECISELY and EXACTLY what they are doing
          which I see as clever and certainly not Lame.Seems like I have in the past,underestimated the enemy but thanks to many folks I now see the error in my thinking.In my own family there are those that call Obama “stupid ?” and I wonder how they can call anyone stupid that has illegally taken over the highest office in
          Our land and thumbs his nose at Our Constitution.This I call Evil and certainly not
          Stupid.Lastly I submit the only way to Our Redemption is humbling ourselves before
          God and asking for help and the other is cutting off every dime that each and everyone of us can deprive these criminals of..There isn’t one government body
          that will help us,if we refuse to help ourselves.cheers

  36. 125 sky November 10, 2011 at 7:32 am

    Then we must get out of stocks that help obama,GE,ALL BIG BANKS,Corporations for obama &their elitist friends.Quit watching Oprahs channel OWN,NBC,CNBC,CNN,ETC.Buffett,Gates,Bank of international settlements,in basel Switzerland,bank of england.etc.

    • 126 bill November 10, 2011 at 11:10 am

      Thought provoking idea sky and by shutting off the “mouthpieces ” for these errant
      organizations,I believe you would be doing exactly that.It is the propaganda that is spewed all over Americans that maintains their status quo and if We the People could force the MSMs to report the truth, the criminal behaviorist would be forced to change their evil ways.

    • 127 DABIGRAGU November 10, 2011 at 10:26 pm

      LOL, I short those stocks on a regular basis, sky!

  37. 128 Tenacity November 10, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Respectfully Voco, why are we in Afghanistan and what have we accomplished there? Who are the Taliban and what is Al Qaeda? Do we control Afghanistan and the Taliban or do we control a good portion of the poppy fields and drug flow? Dr. Paul has obviously looked at that situation and has determined: 1) that we are no different than the U.S.S.R. was; 2) we really don’t control it; 3) they are not a serious threat to the national security of U.S., and 4) the benefits to the American people do not justify the cost that we cannot afford in the first place. Do you not expect Dr. Paul will work with our military to minimize negative impacts? The fact is, we never needed to go into Afghanistan in the first place. We’ve been lied to at every turn and we must now reanalyze everything.

    We have not had a fair election since Kennedy. The media has had significant impact since before WWI but you must realize that the real control has been the money thrown at controlling everything. We must make our own information flow and demand a fair election. We must also let this regime know that we are finished buying into their lies and cheating.

    • 129 sky November 10, 2011 at 9:39 am

      We havent had a fair election since Woodrow & FDR. The Corrupt FED,& INCOME TAX.

    • 130 sky November 10, 2011 at 9:43 am


    • 131 sky November 10, 2011 at 10:08 am

      sultanknish website

    • 132 Voco indubium November 10, 2011 at 12:44 pm


      We opened a complex issue but I try to be as brief as possible.

      RE: “The fact is, we never needed to go into Afghanistan in the first place.”

      Agree, neither did we need to go to Iraq. We should have eliminated Bin Laden & Co from the air. George W made many mistakes. However, we are there now and a pro-western government with moderate Islam (women’s right, education etc.) is struggling to stay dominant.

      Furthermore, if Afghanistan falls Pakistan could be the next. The entire Middle East and a good part Asia of could shift to be dominated by radical Islam. Ron seems to ignore that.

      Afghanistan can be turned to the right path. Also, they are not Arabs, and less set in their ways. But it will take time. I think the time spent is worth the goal which is practical as well as idealistic (build some level of democracy).

      Even if Ron ignores the idealistic side, he should not ignore the practical side. After all the West is in war, that the West did not start. Ignoring it leads to defeat.

      • 133 sky November 12, 2011 at 11:44 am

        Clinton had a chance at Bin Laden,Look at the UN,they are the ones to blame,they cant even stop Iran and the rest of the countries that get away of dictating what going to be voted for or not.Obama is letting them tear our liberties away.

  38. 134 sky November 10, 2011 at 9:25 am

    thepost&email A Time For Choosing Part 2

  39. 135 Tenacity November 10, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Ron Paul got at least 6 questions this time compared to Romney who got 18 questions. Romney still usually ends up lower or at the bottom of the polls. More media manipulation!!! Finding a true American in the broadcasting system is worse than finding a needle in a haystack.

    All Ron Paul Responses At The CNBC Republican Debate

  40. 136 A Crazy Old Coot November 10, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    Voco indubiumNovember 10, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    In my opinion, since we are already engaged there, we should let the military do their thing and then let us get out. Why do we tie the soldiers hands behind their back and then complain about how long we are there? Untie their hands and let them do their job. We have the greatest military (except for the JCS) in the world and they could end the wars within 6 months they were allowed to.

    • 137 Voco indubium November 10, 2011 at 7:26 pm

      RE: “….Untie their hands and let them do their job….”

      Agree 100%.

      RE: “ 6 months…”

      Yes the military could do the job in 6 months, but the government and their institutions will not be stable in 6 months. If they left without any support, the country will almost automatically fall to Teleban rule. That will give a worldwide encouragement to the radical enemies – that the West is losing.

      Some military presence is necessary. Look at Japan and Germany after WW2. You might say it was easier because they were not blinded by radical Islam. I believe that the Afghan people are smart enough to realize that in the 21st century a 16th century social structure is untenable. I think a moderate Islam with woman’s rights etc can be established there with some degree of democracy.

      I am aware of the corruption, the drug-agriculture and many problems – and yes they are not Germans or Japanese. This is a complex problem. Nevertheless, it can be solved.

  41. 138 Katie November 10, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    Happy Birthday, Marines! Semper fi.

    • 139 heather November 10, 2011 at 6:08 pm

      You made me cry Katie. I may hate my government because of who is corrupting it but I do not hate my country or my military. They make me proud of each one of them, all branches.

      I hope tomorrow’s march is one hella of gang buster! Gook luck NNN and Sallie.

  42. 144 jane November 10, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    Someone please give me a workable link to DR. MANNING’s site…I’d greatly appreciate it.
    Thanks in advance!

  43. 148 Troy November 10, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Tonight’s Walls In Our Minds will feature Aaron Bolinger of the Sherman Institute and Kirk MacKenzie will be back with us to give us an update on what’s happening with the sheriffs in northern CA & southern Oregon. Promises to be a fascinating show. Show starts at 8 p.m. Central or 6 p.m. Pacific.

    Aaron Bolinger, a 3-decade state activist, former registered lobbyist, and the Legislative Director for both the National Veterans Committee on Constitutional Affairs (NVCCA) & Aaron Russo’s Restore the Republic (RTR), is a founder of the Sherman Institute, an online university offering degrees in Political Science, Theology and General Studies. Here is a recent Presentation on the Sherman Institute:

  44. 154 heather November 10, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    There only honest and honorable politician whose not afraid to stand.

  45. 155 Ann November 10, 2011 at 8:23 pm

    Orly’s conference call with Congressman Raul Labrador from ID today! You have to see what he said about the birth certificate issue…are they FINALLY going to address it??

    • 156 heather November 10, 2011 at 9:08 pm


      Let’s hope he does this right and maybe finally barry and co will be take down. Top this off with all the scotus for allowing this, and knowing this to be true, take with them all of congress as well. Everyone of them.

      I bet if this happens every one of the canaries sing to save their jobs and power.

      The article just proves that they all know.

      • 157 Jan November 10, 2011 at 10:48 pm

        I was on that call and the Congressman’s answer to Orly was the same at Cong. West, vote him out because they don’t want a circus. Chicken S***
        Do any of them care that we have a security issue in the White House?
        Do any of them realize there might not be an election, so he won’t be voted out? Then what?

        • 158 Ann November 11, 2011 at 6:46 am

          Well I knew it sounded too good to be true. They’re so damn worried about riots. Damn, our country is going down the drain, we have a Usurper in the WH and they don’t want a circus?? Disgusting is not the word!

    • 159 drkate November 10, 2011 at 9:10 pm

      wow, interesting… and…how can stolen ss number be anything like lewinsky?

      • 160 Voco indubium November 11, 2011 at 12:56 am

        What does the congressman mean when he says it should not be like Lewinsy?

        Somehow that statement does not sound like he is going to follow up. It sounds like a typical Rove phrase, protecting O..

        What about the KO the Dems just delivered to Cain? That is not like Lewinski and the blue dress affair?

        What is the good congressman’s concern – exactly?

  46. 162 DABIGRAGU November 10, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    The Judge, excellent piece. Truth, rarely seen on the tele:

  47. 163 Jan November 11, 2011 at 12:24 am

    The best solution I have heard yet

  48. 165 Voco indubium November 11, 2011 at 1:20 am


    Read this (someone else here provided thid link) and tell us what you think.

    The Republican leadership would like nothing better than to have another four years of Dictator BHO
    by Karen Kwiatkowski

    Both parties want O. You still think he can not win?

    • 166 Troy November 11, 2011 at 5:03 am

      It’s just the opinion of someone else….Everyone is entitled to their own.

      • 167 Tenacity November 11, 2011 at 9:54 am

        The key here is KK’s use of the term leadership and establishment. When you analyze who those people are, you find that she could have said “party” instead of “parties.” The registered voters then must be divided into those awake and those asleep. Those awake she actually defines and as she mentions are unified regardless of party in first steps required to restore liberty based upon constitutional principles.

        What everyone seems to forget is that only 23% of the voting populace were recorded as voting for the usurper. That means if those awake will simply show up to vote, there would be a landslide against the seditious snake in the White House. Getting the vote counted accurately will be the greater chore. Exit polling is important for accountability and everyone should push for/insist on exit polling in your area…that and hand counted paper ballots. Electronic vote counting is UNCONSTITUTIONAL because it is in secret.

        Like Troy says it’s just someone’s opinion, of which I see some merit and some big holes.

        • 168 Voco indubium November 11, 2011 at 11:44 am

          Of course, it is just an opinion. To me it makes sense. To you and Troy, it does not. That is OK. We all try to find the truth. And we are taking different paths.

          The article indirectly explains the crucial, million-times asked question: Why the GOP is not using the eligibility tool that is already placed in their hands?

          The conclusion indirectly from this article:

          Because they want O to win. (Not all of them but the Establishment GOP that controls the party.)

          Can anyone offer a better explanation?

          • 169 Tenacity November 11, 2011 at 1:17 pm

            I have offered explanation often. Some are complicit, whether a part of the cabal, paid off or scared off. Those competing against each other cannot afford to shake the carpet because they are standing on one of the corners. If they rat out certain information, other information will be ratted out on them so they cover/conceal certain things while they are criticizing a lesser thing. It is truly a qualified level of forced honor amongst thieves. Hitlary for example can’t reveal who Obama really is because he knows, like himself, she came out of the CIA/H W Bush cabal and has stolen untold amounts of money via the drug trade and financial scams. The Rockefeller/Bush/Scherff mob can only do so much against the Rothschild/Soros/Schwartz mob because they are both Luciferian Nazi banking cartels and jointly share in the taxing/banking vortex theft and enslavement. Mess with them and you are demonized or murdered. It is a ring around the rosie. The Leninist Luciferian banksters have tentacles that compete with each other by design…it is a part of their overall control mechanism. The few somewhat honest ones like Dr. Paul are forced to try and survive in this empire of lies and make what progress they are allowed by making judgment calls about what battles they can fight without being sent home, jailed or murdered by the puppet media, puppet courts or psy-ops goons. Until the people decide to stop the payday for these thugs and demand our unalienable rights, especial the right to the enjoyment of our own production/property (happiness), the enslavement will continue. Saying that a “party” wants this or that is just playing right into the left-right debate and getting sucked into the lies/distractions from the real fact that all of these demented blood-suckers want to be worshiped like gods and are enslaving the goyim by their own negligence to defend their God given rights in exchange for instant gratification (panem et circenses). The people of these united States have been and are willing targets of the subversion. They are spoiled and lazy, unwilling to be vigilant in guarding liberty, prefer their perversions to being ruled by God, practiced at blaming others (a party or decent guy trying to survive & excel) for their own transgressions, and would rather be raped psychologically and financially than fight to keep God at the top of the pecking.

            • 170 Voco indubium November 11, 2011 at 6:08 pm


              You could be right. But I have to admit that it is not easy to follow your logic.

              What you are saying is that, it is wrong to say that the GOP is silent about eligibility, because the forces behind the curtain force them to be silent. I accept that as a plausible theory.

              However, Rove is part of the Establishment GOP; and he does not hide his opinion that it is wrong to use the eligibility. So Rove is controlled by these hidden forces. OK – quite possible. Nevertheless the end result is the same: The GOP is not using the eligibility.

              In my opinion that is why they will lose. The media has already destroyed Cain. Perry self-destructed, and soon there will be a next one. And there is no nominee yet. The media will destroy any GOP nominee easily. As I said before, it was child’s play to KO Cain.

              I cannot believe that the candidates don’t know that. Yet no major candidate opens his/her moth about eligibility. Ergo, the background forces want O to win and the GOP complies.

              Is this what you are saying? If it is I agree.

              • 171 Tenacity November 11, 2011 at 10:59 pm

                Who does Rove work for? Who was responsible for Obama being brought up through the CIA? Who represents the real power behind the “Establishment GOP?” Who is Obama the fall guy for? What is the real reason Obama has been tolerated and installed into the White House? What happens if anyone in the know that has ‘standing’ goes after the eligibility issue? What will the current Senate do if the Congress impeaches Obama? What if the ‘establishment GOP’ hates Obama’s guts and really wants him gone…what difference would that make vs., as you say, They* want him to win? Can you name what GOP candidates are actually statesmen? Can you name who each of the GOP candidates actually work for and what the esoteric reasons are for them running for POTUS? In other words, who is really pulling their strings?

                You are bent on one of the GOP candidates now raising the eligibility issue. You seem to believe that using that issue would actually benefit the candidate at this point. Then you say that, “The media will destroy any GOP nominee easily.” Well on that last point we agree. Any candidate other than Dr. Paul that might raise the eligibility issue would lose their funding, get similar treatment to Mr. Pillsbury $dough Boy Cain, and that’s if they, their staff or family member didn’t have a fatal accident or sudden disease. Dr. Paul would wish the media would ignore him again and they would shortly after “easily destroying him.” He would get attacked every way imaginable, including by the “establishment GOP.” Ask Ross Perot what happens to candidates that push the envelope against the Luciferian banksters. If knocking off some of your staff doesn’t back you off, They* will go after your family. It is a dangerous game, only it is real and you have to be one smart cookie to be a statesman, stay alive and continue to move up the ladder. Why, because the People do not stand up sufficiently for courageous statesmen…at least they haven’t so far. But we are at a tipping point.

                Since my logic is apparently not that easy to follow, here are the answers to my questions. Rove works for the Rockefeller/Bush cabal. H.W. has run the Nazi side of the CIA since before JFK was POTUS. Obama is a double agent serving both the Rockefeller and Rothschild cartels. Obama was installed to accelerate the Leninist goals of the banking cartels and destroy the resources and ability of the American middle class. Paragraph 2 above answers what happens if any politician with standing goes after the eligibility issue now. The Senate will do what it did to Clinton. It makes absolutely no difference what the GOP ‘Party establishment’ wants or doesn’t want because the banking cartels are going to have their way regardless of who gets in the White House ….WITH ONE EXCEPTION. There is only one statesman in the race and he is the exception. I’ve already named who each of the other GOP candidates are paid to play for. With the one exception, all the others are in the game to be certain that a cabal agent is installed. The strings are pulled by the banking cartels and the Luciferian secret societies that the banking cartels serve.

          • 172 Troy November 12, 2011 at 3:36 pm

            Good grief!….Yeah, I’ll be happy to offer an explanation and it’s an extremely simple one to understand….As I have stated before, the GOP has every intention of making Mark Rubio president one day…..I’m sure that the GOP elitist insiders can already tell you what future year / election cycle that they plan on installing Rubio….It’s a foregone conclusion with them and unless he does something absolutely retarded between now and then, he WILL BE president one day….He is their “Wonder Boy”…..The Dems did the same exact thing with Obama…..It was decided pre 2004 that Barry was going to be their boy….That’s how far in advance all of this crap is planned and laid out….The “elections” are all for show – they’re a joke!

            As far as the Repubs that have not yet reached insider elitist status, they are simply too afraid of being Alinskied by the MSM, the Dems and their own party…..They have been ordered to keep their effing mouths shut!….And so far, they are obeying.

            There is nothing I would love more that to see the communist usurper removed on ineligibility, but I’ve seen enough over the past few years to know that the game is rigged from every single angle and that the Asshole in Chief is NEVER going to be declared ineligible….If need be, the SCOTUS will and take a dump on the constitution, right out in broad daylight and for all the world to see, by declaring Obama to be a NBC….If it gets down to it, they’ll do it….Make no mistake about it, they are also owned and controlled by the NWO, via the CFR,

            If I can see and realize all of this, then I’m certain that all of the Repub Congresscritters can too…..Does it make it OK or right?….HELL NO!….But it’s the truth….NO ONE in congress or senate is going to remove Barry on ineligibility, ever!…..SCOTUS is the final nail in our coffin if they are finally forced into ruling on it.

            So, you see, people like Tenacity and myself would love nothing more than watching little Barry boy being led away in handcuffs for defrauding the people due to his ineligibility, but it simply is never going to happen and that’s a fact.

  49. 173 Jan November 11, 2011 at 2:23 am

    Long but worth reading
    Read it and weep or get out and vote!!!!!

    DR. WILLIAMS predicts that Obama can not lose the 2012 election.


    Dr. Williams prediction: Maybe you have read some newspaper articles written by Dr. Williams a conservative economist who happens to be Black. He has taught at several Universities and is currently teaching at George Mason University .

    No Matter What
    By Dr. Walter Williams

    Can President Obama be defeated in 2012? No. He can’t. I am going on record as saying that President Barak Obama will win a second term.

    The media won’t tell you this because a good election campaign means hundreds of millions (or in Obama’s case billions) of dollars to them in advertising.

    But the truth is, there simply are no conditions under which Barak Obama can be defeated in 2012.

    The quality of the Republican candidate doesn’t matter. Obama gets reelected. Nine percent unemployment? No problem. Obama will win. Gas prices moving toward five dollars a gallon? He still wins. The economy soars or goes into the gutter. Obama wins. War in the Middle East ? He wins a second term.

    America’s role as the leading Superpower disappears? Hurrah for Barak Obama! The U.S. government rushes toward bankruptcy, the dollar continues to sink on world markets and the price of daily goods and services soars due to inflation fueled by Obama’s extraordinary deficit spending? Obama wins handily.

    You are crazy Williams. Don’t you understand how volatile politics can be when overall economic, government, and world conditions are declining? Sure I do.

    And that’s why I know Obama will win. The American people are notoriously ignorant of economics. And economics is the key to why Obama should be defeated.

    Even when Obama’s policies lead the nation to final ruin, the majority of the American people are going to believe the bait-and-switch tactics Obama and his supporters in the media will use to explain why it isn’t his fault. After all, things were much worse than understood when he took office.

    Obama’s reelection is really a very, very simple math problem. Consider the following:

    1) Blacks will vote for Obama blindly. Period. Doesn’t matter what he does. It’s a race thing. He’s one of us,

    2) College educated women will vote for Obama. Though they will be offended by this, they swoon at his oratory. It’s really not more complex than that,

    3) Liberals will vote for Obama. He is their great hope,

    4) Democrats will vote for Obama. He is the leader of their party and his coat tails will carry them to victory nationwide,

    5) Hispanics will vote for Obama. He is the path to citizenship for those who are illegal and Hispanic leaders recognize the political clout they carry in the Democratic Party,

    6) Union members will vote overwhelmingly for Obama. He is their key to money and power in business, state and local politics,

    7) Big Business will support Obama. They already have. He has almost $1 Billion dollars in his reelection purse gained largely from his connections with Big Business and is gaining more every day. Big Business loves Obama because he gives them access to taxpayer money so long as they support his social and political agenda,

    8) The media love him. They may attack the people who work for him, but they love him. After all, to not love him would be racist,

    9) Most other minorities and special interest groups will vote for him. Oddly, the overwhelming majority of Jews and Muslims will support him because they won’t vote Republican. American Indians will support him. Obviously homosexuals tend to vote Democratic. And lastly,

    10) Approximately half of independents will vote for Obama. And he doesn’t need anywhere near that number because he has all of the groups previously mentioned. The President will win an overwhelming victory in 2012.

    — Dr. Walter Williams

    • 174 Ann November 11, 2011 at 7:13 am

      Another opinion that doesn’t mean a hill of beans. He possibly conveniently forgot about the butt kicking Dems took in the 2010 election. The slugs that are on the gubment teat are too lazy to get off their couch and go to their voting booth. With the recent laws passed, the illegals will be too scared to vote, especially in AL and AZ. Also in AL, everyone that votes must show a valid photo I.D. Those with outstanding warrants or have a criminal record will be too afraid to vote (trust me,that’s a lot here), mostly minorities. And last but not least, from what we’ve heard & seen from Sheriff Joe, he may not even be allowed on the ballot in AZ which will in turn, hopefully make other States follow suit. Sooooo, I would tell Dr. Williams to go pound sand.

    • 176 heather November 11, 2011 at 7:39 am

      This is a real reason to go hang your head in the toilet. Scary–we cannot let him succeed. Come on Sheriff Joe work your magic we need you, your country needs you and is calling you.

    • 177 GORDO November 11, 2011 at 7:51 am

      “No Matter What” By Walter Williams – HOAX”

      “Here’s the email that is going around:

      DR. WILLIAMS predicts that Obama can not lose the 2012 election.

      “We owe Dr. Walter Williams an apology.

      We published an article that we thought was written by him and we have subsequently found out it was not. The title of the article we published was “No Matter What” and it was published on April 1. Please be informed that this article was mistakenly attributed to Dr Williams. …”

      • 178 Jan November 11, 2011 at 12:28 pm

        Gordo, thanks for clearing that up. All the more reason to VOTE, and to be poll watchers, and go back to paper ballots with picture IDs

    • 179 Tenacity November 11, 2011 at 10:00 am

      This is pure malarkey. The only thing that would make his conclusion true is manipulation of the vote…which could happen if They* are not held accountable. If its close, its easier for Them* to cheat. Most of his assumption/assertions are seriously flawed. KK’s article makes more sense than this.

  50. 180 Jan November 11, 2011 at 2:24 am

    Obituary-Very Interesting!

    Born 1776, Died 2008

    It doesn’t hurt to read this several times.

    Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law in St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the last Presidential election:

    • Number of States won by: Obama:19 McCain: 29

    • Square miles of land won by: Obama:580,000 McCain: 2,427,000

    • Population of counties won by: Obama:127million McCain: 143 million

    • Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Obama: 13.2 McCain: 2.1
    Professor Olson adds: “In aggregate, the map of the territory McCain won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of the country.

    Obama territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in low income tenements and living off various forms of government welfare…”

    Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the “complacency and apathy” phase of Professor Tyler’s definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation’s population already having reached the “governmental dependency” phase.

    If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal’s – and they vote – then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

  51. 181 Troy November 11, 2011 at 5:20 am

    Pentagon chief hit with ‘anti-American’ charges
    You won’t believe unexplained background of Secretary of Defense
    Posted: November 11, 2011
    12:35 am Eastern

    © 2011 WND

    NEW YORK – Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta partnered with a group that promotes world government to co-chair an initiative to regulate U.S. oceans and cede them to United Nations-based international law, a new book reveals.

    Panetta also keynoted the conference of a pro-Soviet, anti-war group during the height of the Cold War, and has previous unexplained close ties to the Institute for Policy Studies, a pro-Marxist think tank accused of anti-CIA activity.

    And that’s just the start of Panetta’s controversial background and radical associations exposed in the recently released book, “Red Army: The Radical Network that must be defeated to save America,” by New York Times bestselling authors Aaron Klein and Brenda J. Elliott.

    The book also charges Panetta with anti-CIA activity. Panetta served as CIA chief under President Obama until his appointment to the secretary of defense post earlier this year.

    Read more: Pentagon chief hit with ‘anti-American’ charges

  52. 183 heather November 11, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Wonder whats going on in DC with the march–any news anyone?

  53. 184 no-nonsense-nancy November 11, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Hello, all, we are having a good time. Sally is really a lot of fun and Phylis from texas is, too. The rally was very nice but rather disappointing in that there was hardly anyone there. Only a couple hundred people. We were all freezing because even though the temp wasn’t that cold and it was sunny, there was a very chilling wind. But the speakers were very good. I hope to find some of the tallks on you tube so I can share them with you all. Patrick Henry was there and he gave his famous speech very passionately. George Washington was also there but he didn’t speak. We are looking forward to doing some sightseeing tomarrow. This is Phylis’s first trip to Dout. C. I took some pictures and will try to put them on here if I can figure it

    • 185 drkate November 11, 2011 at 5:15 pm

      Thanks Nancy for checking in. I look forward to the photos…if you’d like you can send them to me and I’ll post them! Have fun the rest of the weekend. By the way, did General Vallely speak? How about JB Williams?

  54. 186 Troy November 11, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    Banner over San Diego calls for impeachment
    Hired pilot told by tower message triggered flood of calls
    Posted: November 11, 2011
    5:22 pm Eastern

    © 2011 WND

    San Diego’s own Impeach Obama Tea Party has joined forces with the city’s Stop Obama Now!! – San Diego and a flying banner company to call for the removal of Barack Obama from office.

    The stunning stunt, flying a banner overhead just hours before Obama was expected to visit the USS Carl Vinson to watch a college basketball game scheduled on its deck, rattled more than a few individuals, as the pilot for the banner company reported the tower told him to “depart the area,” because there were “a lot of telephone calls” coming in.

    National Sky Ads, which flew the banner, reported to WND, “Our pilot was told to move even though we were not in restricted air space.”

    The impeachment clause in the U.S. Constitution, and what it means: All here in “The Case for Imipeachment.”

    The company added, “We circled North Island until the tower moved us out due to phone calls.”

    The banner:

    The event was scheduled to coincide with announced plans for Obama to attend the Carrier Classic game on the deck of Carl Vinson in San Diego Bay. Those plans were announced earlier this week.

    The banner said, “Impeach Obama” and then included an announcement for a 3 p.m. protest at North Island.

    (Story continues below)

  55. 187 Sallyal November 11, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    Hi all. We never saw Gen Vallely. JB was the announcer keeping things moving. We ended up leaving aroung 12:30 due to the cold and our desire for a warm chair and coffee. We have since learned the Judi McLeod from CFP spoke as well as Jim O”Neal and Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh. We never saw any of them so wondered if they actually arrived after we left. I thoroughly enjoyed all the speakers and what they had to say. Especially a fellow name (?)Field McConnell. Not real sure of the name. He spoke about how he attended Punahau 12 years prior to Ojughead and his name IS Barry Soetoro. He also spoke about the US Senior Executive Committee which his sister helped to set up at the request of Pres. Carter. Need to do some research on that. I seem to remember hearing something about it approx a year ago but it did not generate much interest or discussion. It clearly needs to be discussed.

    I will go on record as saying that I am thoroughly disgusted at the apparent lack of interest in actually getting this monster gone. I hear a lot of talk but there is very little action. Please don’t think I am directing this criticism at anybody here. It is more directed at A LOT of people on some other sites that all said they would DEFINITELY be here and that there was no excuse not to be. These same people did not show up which clearly made the rest of us spend our precious time and resources on what was essentially a wasted effort. Sorry for the negativity but I think you all realize the I was under the impression that this was going to be significant and I try to chose my battles so to speak. But on the other hand, I made some great new friends including Nancy. We will not have voices left as we just talk and talk and talk! This was the good part of my trip.

    • 188 heather November 11, 2011 at 9:02 pm

      Sallyal and NNN–thanks for the updates and thanks for going. One thing, DC is famously known for being hellaciously hot in the summer and bone chilling cold in the winter–even though its still fall, it’s still bitter.

      I am surprised at the turn out because it was supposed to be thousands from all over the country, is what I remember reading. This is really too bad, because there is power in people.

      What actually got accomplished?

  56. 190 heather November 11, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    for those on the west coast–keep your eyes open for these storms.

  57. 191 Drew November 11, 2011 at 10:31 pm

    Being too popular is not fair —

    CNBC Removes Post-debate Poll Because Paul Was Winning

  58. 200 Troy November 12, 2011 at 5:24 pm

    Orly Taitz on Emergency Motion for Hawaii Compliance to Allow Inspection of Obama’s Original Birth Certificate; Impeachment Calls for Eric Holder

    by Sharon Rondeau

    (Nov. 12, 2011) — Orly Taitz has reported to The Post & Email that several members of the House Committee on Oversight and Reform have called for the impeachment of Eric Holder, putative attorney general in the Obama regime, and are also reviewing the information she has presented to them on Obama’s use of a stolen social security number.


  59. 201 Troy November 12, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    Tell the Republican Party to Drop Dead

    by Lawrence Sellin, ©2011

    General George Washington was the first President of the United States and had warned against warring political “factions”
    (Nov. 12, 2011) — Barack Obama leads the most corrupt Administration in U.S. history.

    Nevertheless, rather than addressing his corruption directly, the Republican Party ignores it, hoping to defeat Obama in the 2012 election by highlighting the “policy” differences between the political parties.

    That decision should surprise no one.

    The Republicans are less corrupt than the Democrats only because they are more inept at the task.


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