The Culture of the Constitution

©2011 drkate

 Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. ~John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address, January 20, 1961

The culture of the Constitution is liberty.  As  Americans,  liberty is what binds us–our history, our institutions, our way of life.   All cultures have traditions, customs, and laws that guide personal and community behavior and development, this includes America.  Diversity is not a threat to liberty so long as the central cultural tenant of liberty is truly known, held, and preserved through responsible citizen and government behavior.

In the most brilliant of ways, our Constitution respects the individual’s abilities and God-given inherent right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  The Constitution created a republic, a representative government, whose sole purpose was to protect the people and the nation so that the states and individuals could pursue these liberty interests. A violation of  any part of the Constitution is a basic violation of the liberty interests of all Americans.

Notice that our Constitution did not create a democracy, an idea that was thrown out by the Founders easily upon study.  James Madison wrote in Federalist Paper No. 10:

From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. 

The Founders did not believe in creating ‘factions’ or ‘parties’ that could, by sheer mass, overrule the mandates of the Constitution.  Liberty meant small government with limited and clearly delineated powers at all levels.

From “Liberty” to “Democracy”

Those who wanted power over America’s enshrinement of liberty had to mount an assault on our culture of liberty, on the Constitution itself.  This involved breaking down the individual, creating factions, breaking down the individual’s relationship with the Creator-God, re-writing history, mass educating the public, and breaking the monetary system of the united States.  They operated to replace the concept of ‘liberty’ and representative government with a democracy-based government, making it easy picking for mind-control, population manipulation, and slavery.

From Federalist Paper No. 10:

Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.

I started this brief essay with John F. Kennedy’s quote on liberty…wanting to trace when our presidents started saying ‘democracy’ instead of ‘liberty’ in their American calls to higher purposes.  There is every indication that Woodrow Wilson–the political scientist–along with FDR, began this rhetoric under influence by those who would destroy America, most easily linked then, as now, with the FED, the Rothschilds, and the Rockefellers.  But it was Lyndon Johnson’s  “Great Society” that began putting the nails in the coffin of America…every president since then–with the exception of Reagan–never even uses the phrase or word ‘liberty’.

The children of the children of the “Greatest Generation” were the targets of the Tavistock testing programs; of the specific education objectives, of massive manipulation.  Guided by a few of the Operation Paperclip boys, the cancer has spread throughout America, at every government level.  These people live corruption as they breathe every day…they are like the plague upon humankind…the swarm of locusts eating every crop that grows.

And while liberty in America withers on the vine, we have the devil as a walking man, making war in our name. The signs are everywhere.

200 Responses to “The Culture of the Constitution”


  1. 1 cali November 26, 2011 at 5:00 am

    Dr. Kate,
    thank you for your thoughts, and the related ‘Lame Cherry’s ‘ intrepetation!
    We are living towards the end times, those who have faith know what is coming, and will be devastated. We are powerless insofar as obama is concerned, his motives are far darker than anything we ever imagined. He’s not incompetent or whatever nonsense is being writtten, but rather acts with malice towards all of us.
    His mission is to destroy, to set up the USA which is well underway, and our so-called leaders in DC look the other way.
    Will our military leaders continue to follow unlawful orders, or will we have some type of protection? If not, we are truly doomed!

    • 2 Rosemary Woodhouse November 26, 2011 at 1:06 pm

      I must respectfully disagree, call. You wrote, “those who have faith know what is coming, and will be devastated.”. Those who have faith know what is coming but we will *not* be devastated for we know that after the tribulation comes comfort, joy and eternal life while the adversary is thrown into the abyss for awhile. A world free from evil, sin and temptation. I could quote scripture, but this link explains “fear” and how to avoid it quite well. If hope it brings succor to some.

      http://www.bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=117

      • 3 cali November 26, 2011 at 1:11 pm

        @ Rosemary Woodhouse,

        you are absolutely right, and i should have been abit more clear what I was trying to say. When I wrote ‘will be devastated’, I meant the death, horror and destruction which will be around us. Yes, you are right, The Almighty God will take care of his people. As it says in The Bible – “If not for The Return of God’s Son, Jesus Christ, no flesh would be saved”.
        Thank you for correcting my incomplete thoughts.

  2. 4 jane November 26, 2011 at 6:04 am

    I just found this article that is MOST interesting. Some of you may have heard this already, but this is more detailed info.

    Here is the link; Sorry for changing the subject somewhat!

    http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2011/11/is-putative-president-barack-hussein.html

    • 5 cedartree November 26, 2011 at 1:58 pm

      I don’t know if this car accident/Shibazz story has any validity, but Obama has a massive set of scars on his head.

      Even Michelle has a messy scar on her chin like it was used as a brake.

      The fact that he is a fraud is enough to arrest him. No need to prove anything about anything else, he’s not who he says he is, thus his a.k.a. cannot hold office. This is not challenge-able (remember the New Hampshire democrat boasted that Obama would back-challenge any un-constitutionality of his position, etc, and that would drag things out). He is just not who he says he is, and that’s effective immediately.

      • 6 drkate November 26, 2011 at 2:02 pm

        Exactly. He wrapped himself in the legal name Barack Obama. Can’t change that now. I am disgusted with the whole government for letting this go on. They are cowards undeserving of any of our support. Starve the beast!

        • 7 heather November 26, 2011 at 4:41 pm

          Ditto Dr Kate–me too. I have no respect for any of them what so ever-they have all lied–and for yrs they have ignored we the people and done what they wanted.

          They have all become filthy rich at our expense and its time the table turns against all of them.

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      • 10 Starla November 29, 2011 at 6:14 pm

        Obama Explains Why Birth Certificates Don’t Matter

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        “OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUE MORE URGENT THAN EVER”

        © Joan Swirsky
        March 28, 2010

        Excerpt:

        “Now that the regime currently occupying the White House has bribed, threatened, intimidated, bullied, manipulated, and cut unconstitutional and illegal deals with Democrats in exchange for their votes for the totalitarian nightmare of socialized medicine, the subject of Obama’s missing birth certificate is more timely and relevant than ever — precisely because the ugly spectacle emphasized once again the degree to which Obama has arrogantly flouted, sneered at, and spit upon the U.S. Constitution, a document he and his handlers and henchmen clearly revile and are determined to shred and destroy.

        […]

        To this day, Obama has failed to produce proof that he was born in the United States and that he is a natural-born American citizen, one of only three absolute requirements in the U.S. Constitution to become President of the United States. In fact, […] Obama is not a natural-born American citizen, [and] he is acting as president under false pretenses, which de facto makes every statement he has made as the usurper POTUS, every bill he has signed, every czar he has appointed, every act, proclamation, signing statement, executive order, and law, et al, fraudulent, illegal, and therefore null and void — including this unconstitutional healthcare so-called reform bill.”

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  3. 12 Steven Lee Craig November 26, 2011 at 6:09 am

    From;

    mhtml:file://\\slcm45\Desktop~1\Transer folder\Plautus, Terence, and Cicero by Sanderson Beck.mht!http://www.san.beck.org/EC26-Cicero.html

    Cicero’s Republic and Laws

    Cicero introduced his dialog on the state with his own views that virtue must be applied and that government is its highest use. He believed strongly in private property and suggested that a law of nature forbids it unless one knows how to use things wisely. Laelius observes that the Gracchi conception of the tribunate had divided people into two factions, but he hoped to bring about the union of the people with the senate. Scipio discusses the three main forms of government as monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy, but he notes that these tend to degenerate into tyranny, oligarchy, and mob rule. Most societies reserve high offices to ancient families and the wealthy, except Athens and Rhodes allowed all free citizens to hold office. Law holds societies together and must be equally applied to all, but property cannot be equally distributed because of varying abilities. True aristocracy is rule by the best, but in their ignorance people tend to choose the wealthy or those from distinguished families. Scipio believes that riches, reputation, and power without wisdom and moderation result in shameless and insufferable arrogance. The difficulty of one man or the ignorant many ruling has tended to give power to a few.

    Scipio applies the Pythagorean idea of the intelligence controlling anger, greed, ambition, and lust to governance of the state. In monarchy one bad king’s injustice can ruin the state, as happened with Tarquin Superbus in Rome. Then the people can take over the government, but revolution can also oust a just king. Uncontrolled freedom can lead to chaos and the desire for a tyrant. A tyrant can be overthrown and replaced with constitutional government. Scipio recommends a combination of a royal element with some power given to the aristocracy, while referring certain matters to the people’s judgment, resulting in some equality and strength. He suggests the Roman republic as a model in discussing the perfect state. In the second book Scipio describes how Roman institutions developed progressively through history, noting that Romulus kept order by imposing fines in sheep and cattle instead of inflicting corporal punishment. The early Romans at first chose their kings for their excellence and wisdom rather than by descent.
    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    Those who ignore HISTORY are doomed to repeat it……..those who think that the Laws of Nature and Natures Laws do not apply to the 20th/21st Century need be branded as enemies of humanity and deciples of evil………

    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    more from Cicero;

    The stars are described as much greater in size than the earth, which is the lowest of spheres. The real person is not the body but the soul, which is divine. The divine principle is what lives, feels, remembers, foresees, rules, guides, and activates the body, just as the supreme God rules the universe. Only the self-originating mover never ceases to move and is the source of all other motion. Beginning has no source but originates itself, and all other things arise from this beginning. Thus the self-originating mover can neither be born nor die. The noblest concerns of the soul are the security of one’s country, and the soul disciplined in that work will fly to heaven; but those who are slaves of passion and by lust violate divine and human laws wander near the earth after they escape from the body, not returning to the divine abode for many ages.

    Cicero wrote most of his Laws in 52 BC, but only the first three books are extant. He spoke for himself in a dialog with his brother Quintus and best friend Atticus. Cicero believed that law represented not only the highest reason, but that it was implanted by Nature, commanding people to do right and forbidding wrong. He found virtue only in humans as Nature developed to its highest point. Thus we are born for justice, and right is based not on opinion but Nature, because we are so like each other. The human race is bound in a unity, and knowledge of the principles of right living is what makes people better, bringing all together equally in a natural feeling of kindness, good-will, and justice.

    Cicero noted that people pay the penalty for crimes, not so much through the decisions of courts, but they are tormented by remorse and a guilty conscience. Because of this natural sense of justice even the most brazen criminal attempts to justify a crime by some excuse or principle of right.

    “Now if even the wicked dare to appeal to such principles, how jealously should they be guarded by the good?”

    • 13 drkate November 26, 2011 at 10:24 am

      Thank you very much for this extended quote. Seems like we have such a short memory for true greatness.

    • 16 Voco Indubium November 27, 2011 at 5:05 pm

      RE: ” …Cicero noted that people pay the penalty for crimes, not so much through the decisions of courts, but they are tormented by remorse and a guilty conscience. …”

      Even the hardened criminals 2,000+ years ago had some level of remorse and guilty conscience, according to Cicero. This is very interesting because he wrote those words before the birth of Christ, as someone observed. Christianity spread in ancient Europe because the inborn conscience revolted against the limitless cruelty and injustice practiced in most ancient societies.

      Why is it that none of the major GOP candidates, (including your favored one), members of Congress and the courts are not tormented by “remorse and a guilty conscience”, especially when they are breaking their oaths to protect the Constitution, letting the greatest political fraud in the history of the country, be swept under the rug.

      Has morality of the US declined to the level of ancient Rome or even lower?

      • 17 Troy November 27, 2011 at 5:28 pm

        Has morality of the US declined to the level of ancient Rome or even lower?
        ++++++++
        Yes, much lower!

        Our modern day criminals in DC have no conscience because they are Godless and therefore soulless….They have been won over by a dark force (usually referred to as Satan), via their lust for something greater than merely being a humble human being….They are trying to attain godliness and in doing so, trying to rule over us mere, humble mortals.

      • 18 Steven Lee Craig November 27, 2011 at 6:09 pm

        I would posit that it is not the majority of the ‘people’ that have lost their sense of morality, but rather the ‘politics of divisiveness’ has separated and desensitized the masses to the incremental encroachments upon the moral standards the ‘people desire individually’.

        “Political Correctness” is a means used to establish the concept that ‘morality is relative’ and without “societal absolutes”.

        And yet you can look back 6,000 years to the “Code of Hammurabi” and see the same “Laws” enshrined to regulate the activities of that society as you will find in the 10 Commandments delivered to and by Moses, less the 1st Commandment.

        The Sumerians inscribed above the Gate to their ‘city’,(paraphrased), “Enter with peace and good will and treat those you meet as you would have them treat you”.

        Morality is NOT relative, it is an innate characteristic of the human condition and immorality is, therefore, an exercise of one’s will, be it individually or collectively.

        • 19 Troy November 27, 2011 at 6:21 pm

          The decline in morality in this country has been a purposeful undertaking perpetrated and accelerated by the communists within….It’s actually one of many steps listed in communist documents for the eventual conversion of our republic into communism….It has been a slow, incremental process which continues to this very day….In fact, it is a self perpetuating condition that will never end, short of divine intervention….Only God can put a halt to it and He eventually will.

        • 20 Voco Indubium November 27, 2011 at 10:54 pm

          RE: “…not the majority of the ‘people’ that have lost their sense of morality… desensitized the masses to the incremental encroachments upon the moral standards ….”

          The masses, read the average voter, is desensitized all right. Just discussed with a friend, why even well educated people don’t think it is a “big deal” violating the constitution in this manner.

          It is the combination of the could-not–care-less attitude of the voters and the outright corruption of the “ruling class”. The public’s attitude has been prepared by the media. After the Viet Nam war almost all major universities journalism departments were headed by strongly left leaning professors, who indoctrinated an entire generation of journalists with political correctness and the like.

          A friend earned a PhD from one of the highly reputable universes of the country and returned home recently. Just as a trivial item of conversation I mentioned that I had a chance to visit the Reagan Library. His only remark was: “that fascist pig?” That little response tells a lot about the widespread indoctrination.

          Continuing the Roman analogy, the original Roman Republic had higher moral values than in Cicero’s time. Their morality was somewhat different than ours and it was centered on “patria romana” the homeland, but it was morality of Roman brand. Individual heroic sacrifice for the nation was rewarded by national glory. First they concentrated on survival later on conquest.

          By the time of the first century BC, Julius Caesar’s and Cicero’s time, the morality declined. The ruling class was greedy and corrupt. Nobility did not live up their reputation. And the plebs was more concentrated on “Panem et Circenses” than any time before. The republic was transformed to empires, one after the other, and in the next few hundred years Rome lost its power, its domination of Europe and its reputation.

          The analogy with the current US is obvious. The voters don’t care, or if they do they are indoctrinated. The ruling class ignores or sabotages the Constitution. The courts render the constitution unenforceable by refusing to rule on merit on major constitutional issues. The carpentry work of the coffin of the Constitutional Republic is almost done.

          Perhaps, the fate of the US is the same as the destiny of Rome, with a speed of decline 20 times faster. Perhaps, this is an unavoidable repetition of history, and we are the idealists who are stubbornly unwilling to admit it to ourselves.

    • 21 Voco Indubium November 27, 2011 at 7:56 pm

      Att.: Steven Lee Craig

      Can you please provide a link (or a few words) to find out what happened to you second lawsuit. You approached it from new angle, and as the first one, did not name O as defendant but asked for definition of nbc.

      Also, what is your opinion, will SCOTUS ever define nbc?

      Is it not SCOTUS’ clearly defined primary function to interpret the law including the constitution?

      Is it not so, that by not hearing such suits on merit, SCOTUS makes the constitution unenforceable?

      If that is true, then, are they not violating their oaths to protect it?

      Or that is too abstract to claim?

      It is always a pleasure to read your excellent comments, as far back as 2008 on Leo’s.

      • 22 Steven Lee Craig November 28, 2011 at 7:00 am

        Thanks for the kind words…………….as you recall, the 1st case was dismissed on lack of “Standing & Jurisdiction” at the USCA 10th which Leo remarked on with a blog pointing out if a person who claims to be an NBC has ‘no right’ to be determined as such then no one has a “right” to be president. The comments from the 10th on that dismissal were/are thin in reasoning and logic and do not rise to ANY form of ‘dicta’, but they were correct on “Standing and Jurisdiction” as presented.

        The 2nd case was actually an “Administrative Appeal” to the DHS/USCIS refusal to Certify me as an NBC, instead stating that based on the information I provided they determine that I am an “native-born U.S. Citizen” and in making that determination they “need do no more”.

        The USCIS operates under Title 8, but ALL of the Fed Departments and sub-divisions are also ‘regulated’ under Title V, upon which I relied.

        Eric Holders minions responded with a motion for dismissal for lack of subject matter jurisdiction under provision of Title 8 that given I was not subject to a “Removal Order” the Appeal was moot.

        The 10th totally ignored the Title 5 claims and WITHOUT COMMENT granted the Feds Motion for Dismissal for lack of Subject Matter Jurisdiction.

        I then filed an Application to the Oklahoma State Supreme Court for Original Jurisdiction asserting that given as proof by the previous cases there is NO ACKNOWLEDGED “legal definition” of the Constitutional idiom of natural born Citizen and therefore the State Election Laws regarding the National General Elections are deficient to the needs of the State and National Constitutions.

        The State was order to respond which they did with a motion to deny the Application for Original Jurisdiction with, among other causes, the citations of Scnheider v Rusk, 377 US 163, 83 S.Ct 1187 (1964) and Osborn v Bank of US 22 US (9 Wheat) 738 (1824) stating that……

        ” the ONLY discernable difference in the RIGHTS between the two is the “exclusionary provision” of “natural born Citizen” for those seeking the Presidential office and that naturalized citizens can be forcibly stripped of their citizenship.” ….??? (some emphasis mine)
        http://www.nbcfund.com/chatforum/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=1073&start=160

        The OK Supreme Court denied the Application WITHOUT COMMENT, (other than all Justices concurred).

        So now I am working on another filing using a different ‘legal’ mechanism of the common law practices to take back into the Fed Courts at the District Level again.

        In the END, ONLY the SCOTUS has the jurisdiction to provide the relief I seek, that being, an ACKNOWLEDGED and ENFORCEABLE definition to the Constitutional idiom of natural born Citizen.

        • 23 Voco Indubium November 29, 2011 at 12:50 pm

          Steven,

          Thank you for your update. Very interesting. I would like to share it with some like-minded friends, if it is OK with you?

          • 24 Steven Lee Craig November 29, 2011 at 6:12 pm

            Voco Indubium,

            Sure, its all of public record, when you know where to look.

            If you are of the mind to be an activist on this subject consider filing a Challenge of the placement on the Ballot for the Primary/General Election in your State.

            I’ll be doing that in my State next week. The action at the OK Supreme Court was a Bush Doctrine pre-emptory strike at the States Election Laws, now I’m ready to go ‘in country’ with boots on the ground, again.

            Hearings, appeals, administrative appeals at the USCA then SCOTUS, available to both the ‘petitioner and contestee’………………..

            Groups across the country are taking up the call, under the Rule of Law, calling into question (Voco Indubium) the ‘eligibility’ of the Usurper in Chief.

    • 26 heather November 26, 2011 at 1:56 pm

      How much of this do you actually believe to be true Dr. Kate?

      • 27 drkate November 26, 2011 at 1:58 pm

        Oh I actually am tired of this…promises promises. I did not see the lawsuit filed where they said it was.

        But I’ll post it here anyway to see if anyone can verify it.

        • 28 Troy November 26, 2011 at 2:29 pm

          If there really is a lawsuit all U.S. courts and judges will just stonewall and ignore it, just like with the eligibility cases.

        • 29 heather November 26, 2011 at 4:43 pm

          Well I guess we have to wait and see.

          • 30 Rosemary Woodhouse November 26, 2011 at 10:52 pm

            Personally, as I told you quite awhile back Kate, I am of the opinion that Fulford & Co. are all FOS. Please beware. YMMV.

            • 31 drkate November 27, 2011 at 9:47 am

              I haven’t seen anything yet that would make me feel otherwise, Rosemary. I am tired of it all, like I said, promises promises and it stinks of the same old thing–some secret cabal of people who have the answers and who will control it all.

      • 32 Steven Lee Craig November 27, 2011 at 7:15 am

        http://www.constitution.org/puf/puf-dut_103.htm

        THE FIRST BOOK ON
        THE DUTY OF MAN AND CITIZEN

        BY

        SAMUEL VON PUFENDORF

        CHAPTER III
        On Natural Law

        11. But that God is the author of the natural law, is proved by the natural reason, if only we limit ourselves strictly to the present condition of humanity, disregarding the question whether his primitive condition was different from the present, or whence that change has come about. The nature of man is so constituted that the race cannot be preserved without the social life, and man’s mind is found to be capable of all the notions which serve that end. And it is in fact clear, not only that the human race owes its origin, as do the other creatures, to God, but also that, whatever be its present state, God includes the race in the government of His providence. It follows from these arguments that God wills that man use for the conservation of his own nature those special powers which he knows are peculiarly his own, as compared with the brutes, and thus that man’s life be distinguished from the lawless life of the brutes. And as this cannot be secured except by observing the natural law, we understand too that man has been obliged by God to keep the same, as a means not devised by will of man, and changeable at their discretion, but expressly ordained by God Himself, in order to insure this end. For whoever binds a man to an end, is considered to have bound him also to employ the means necessary to that end. And besides, we have evidence that the social life has been enjoined upon men by God’s authority, in the fact that in no other creature do we find the religious sentiment or fear of the Deity, — a feeling which seems inconceivable in a lawless animal. Hence in the minds of men not entirely corrupt a very delicate sense is born, which convinces them that by sin against the natural law they offend Him who holds sway over the minds of men, and is to be feared even when the fear of men does not impend.

        12. The common saying that that law is known by nature, should not be understood, it seems, as though actual and distinct propositions concerning things to be done or to be avoided were inherent in men’s minds at the hour of their birth. But it means in part that the law can be investigated by the light of reason, in part that at least the common and important provisions of the natural law are so plain and clear that they at once find assent, and grow up in our minds, so that they can never again be destroyed, no matter how the impious man, in order to still the twinges of conscience, may endeavor to blot out the consciousness of those precepts. For this reason in Scripture too the law is said to be “written in the hearts” of men.[4] Hence, since we are imbued from childhood with a consciousness of those maxims, in accordance with our social training, and cannot remember the time when we first imbibed them, we think of this knowledge exactly as if we had had it already at birth. Everyone has the same experience with his mother tongue

        • 33 drkate November 27, 2011 at 9:50 am

          Excellent, thank you. A perfect understanding of natural law:

          But it means in part that the law can be investigated by the light of reason, in part that at least the common and important the natural law are so plain and clear that they at once find assent, and grow up in our minds, so that they can never again be destroyed, no matter how the impious man, in order to still the twinges of conscience, may endeavor to blot out the consciousness of those precepts. For this reason in Scripture too the law is said to be “written in the hearts” of men.

  4. 34 Jan November 26, 2011 at 1:44 pm

    Thank you Dr. K and also Steven.
    We got lax, allowed the government to indoctrinate our children, stopped teaching history and the Constitution. People are waking up, I just pray they wake up in time to stop the evil that sits in our government and take back our country.

  5. 35 Troy November 26, 2011 at 2:42 pm

    I’m still trying to figure out what in the hell makes a commie want to be a commie….Anyone with two eyes, two ears and an honest analytical mind can easily see that communism is nothing but bad….History shows and tells that communism leads to nothing but slavery, starvation and government committed murder….These useful idiot OWS protesters are working so hard to bring about communism and then consequently their own demise.

    Is it that they are so Godless, joyless, miserable and self loathing that they would rather pull the rest of the world down to their existence rather than simply pull themselves up?…..Do they not know that they and everyone they have an ounce of feeling for will all be starved and killed just like the rest of us?….I honestly don’t know how anyone could buy into that garbage.

    • 36 Sallyal November 26, 2011 at 10:09 pm

      These are exactly my questions! I just cannot comprehend how any person could think that communism is so much better than capitalism.

      • 37 Jan November 26, 2011 at 11:16 pm

        This web site will answer some questions – hehe. The most asked and answered questions of the Young Communists. Be sure to read the comments, they will give us some hope.

        Young Communist League USA – Frequently Asked Questions

    • 38 Tenacity November 27, 2011 at 1:36 pm

      Troy, it is hard to respond to this without sounding like psychobabble. Here is a simple answer to a very complex issue. Robert Seamans wrote a book (“Healing The Emotions Within”) about 20 years ago where he stated the following in summary: “at the root of all human mental dysfunction is one of two things, the inability to forgive self and the inability to forgive others.” How one arrives at such dysfunction covers both a myriad and spectrum of means. Look at Yuri Bezmenov’s lecture on subversion for some clues as to why the present level of dysfunction in our society is no accident…destabilized religious foundation, destabilized family units, and normalized immorality to name just a few. Add to that educational and informational brain-soiling and you have the empire of lies we find ourselves in. The mass majority today have no idea how to fill the God shaped vacuums created within them. They seek a recharge of their emotional batteries and only succeed in draining the love tanks of those around them. Look around you and you will find a shortage of healthy relationships. We have had several generations of willing targets that have failed to pass on healthy precepts. The digital age has facilitated the demise of spiritual fathers reproducing themselves. Today, a loving disciplinarian is turned over to social services and the age of Dr. Spock has spared the rod and spoiled the child. Okay, I could go on but anyone that hasn’t gotten it by now, won’t.

      • 39 Rosemary Woodhouse November 27, 2011 at 9:18 pm

        Oh, I totally get it because I know some of these idiots. In a nutshell, (what an apt expression) they are primarily jealous of what others have and are too lazy to work to get it for themselves. As a result, they want the fruits of successful people’s labor “redistributed” so they don’t have to get off their lazy arses and get “some” for themselves. Jealousy is at the heart if it.

      • 40 SallyAl November 28, 2011 at 11:34 am

        Ten, we appreciate your attempt to educate us, but speaking for myself, these are rhetorical questions.

        • 41 Tenacity November 28, 2011 at 7:04 pm

          I was contributing to Troy’s comment, but I don’t see how your “I just cannot comprehend” was in any way rhetorical. Was my statement too obvious, thus unnecessary or was there something in particular you didn’t care for?

  6. 42 Starla November 26, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    O/T PLEASE SCROLL UP AND DOWN ON THIS PAGE….

    IMHO THE VIDEOS AND ARTICLES HERE ARE WORTH TAKING THE
    TIME TO LOOK AT……

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    • 43 Starla November 26, 2011 at 7:55 pm

      O/T PLEASE SCROLL UP AND DOWN ON THIS PAGE….

      “RFID CHIPS & THE AMISH – THE CANARIES IN THE COAL MINES”

      THERE ARE ALSO DIFFERENT PAGES TO SEE HERE.

      http://www.squidoo.com/amishrfid

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      • 44 Rosemary Woodhouse November 26, 2011 at 11:02 pm

        I’ve always has the utmost respect for the Amish.

      • 46 Jan November 26, 2011 at 11:17 pm

        Thanks Starla, fantastic amount of information. My heart aches for the Amish, they are constantly harassed by the Feds.

        • 47 bill November 27, 2011 at 4:13 am

          There is only one way to help the Amish “Starve the Oligarch !” and elect
          Ron Paul.

          • 48 no-nonsense-nancy November 27, 2011 at 6:04 pm

            I can tell you all, I live in the heart of the Amish country. They are of the original 100 people who came over from Germany to PA. They are good people but in many ways they are very hipacritical. They won’t drive cars but they will pay to ride in vehicles of others. They won’t smoke but they make their living from growing tobacco. They won’t have a telephone in their homes but for years the business owners have had telephones on a telephone poll in the front yard. Now, in the day of cell phones they buy them up like hot potatoes. How do you figure that? Our kids cannot drive cars until age 16 but their 12 year olds go recklessly down our roads in horse drawn wagons. I’m only getting started!

            • 49 Steven Lee Craig November 27, 2011 at 6:24 pm

              I’d be curious to know what the abortion rate among the Amish is, or drug and alcohol addiction, or welfare and food-stamp participation, or bankruptcies, …?…bankrobbery’s, burglaries, white-collar crimes….?

              Teens across America are having sex in the classrooms, abortions without parental notifications, lead in alcohol related driving ‘incidences’ ………..and the Amish are selling milk….using cellphones and renting cars with drivers….,,,?

              And that is what sets the STANDARD for HYPOCRACY….?

              • 50 Troy November 27, 2011 at 6:54 pm

                Even the Amish, given enough time, will eventually devolve into an immoral society, such as the one we find ourselves in now….The reason is because immorality is a manifestation of sin and mankind has a built in weakness for sin….What Nancy described above is simply an example of the Amish “giving in” to temptations not originally acceptable to them….But, now they are becoming acceptable….It’s the frog in the kettle scenario….Like I said, given enough time, they’ll be right where we are now….It’s inevitable.

          • 51 Starla November 28, 2011 at 7:54 am

            Ron Paul: The Coming 2nd American Revolution & Exposing The FED

            Alex talks with physician and Texas Congressman Ron Paul, author of End The Fed and The Revolution: A Manifesto.

            http://www.ronpaul.com/
            http://www.ronpaul2012.net/
            http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

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            Ron Paul: How To END THE FED 1/2 FED Crimes / Solutions

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        • 52 SallyAl November 28, 2011 at 12:00 pm

          I cannot find it in my heart to feel bad for any individual or group who chooses to live any alternative lifestyle and feel that he/she/they should be entitled to special rules or considerations. This covers illegals, gays, muslims, hispanics, you name it.

          • 53 Quantum Leap November 28, 2011 at 2:29 pm

            That depends on your definition of “Chooses”. Choice? It’s like you driving down the road in a clunker ’cause that’s all you can get. Not much choice there is there?
            “Special” rules? Whats’ that? First of all illegals are breaking the law and cannot be lumped into this scenario.

            • 54 SallyAl November 29, 2011 at 9:30 am

              One chooses (at a certain point in his/her life) to live Amish/gay/illegal/Muslim, whatever it may be that is other than what our nation was founded on. I have felt at times in my life that I would love to beat the crap out of somebody that really deserved it but I don’t because there are laws and/or standards. I don’t quite understand the clunker analogy. One has every right to live his/her life as they see fit. But NOBODY should expect special considerations. What catagory can illegals not be lumped into? They are looking for special considerations. We are supposed to look the other way while they take advantage of the perks of US citizenship? Muslims want to live in America as Muslims but they must still be subject to the laws of OUR country, not their home country. Even the Amish want to be exempted from certain laws based on their religious beliefs. They have been to a point but why should they? The Mormons are not allowed to practice all the tenets of their religion (polygamy) are they? Maybe I am wrong about that. My point is, America has bent over backwards to accomodate all the different lifestyles (and by lifestyle I am including religions, sexualities, political beliefs). It has reached a point that if you are fat, you should receive extra food for the same price or a plus size plane seat for the same price as a “normal” size person. A gay person should get the day off with pay to celebrate gay pride day. Mexican illegals should get the day off with pay (from their jobs that should be filled by Americans!) for Cinco De Mayo, which is not even a REAL HOLIDAY! Merely a day made up by an alcoholic beverage company to sell more booze. If you don’t believe you should pay taxes because it violates your belief system, tough shiite! None of us here, I think, like the fact that our taxes are used for abortions, murder subsidies, unlawful interest to Luciferians, etc (@Tenacity). Does that mean that if we don’t pay them, we should not be held to account?

              America, the United States of America, was founded as a Christian nation and laws and customs were established based on that foundation. We should forget all that now and just let everybody do what they feel “good” about? Does that not sound like anarchy? That is exactly where we are headed.

              • 55 Tenacity November 29, 2011 at 10:06 am

                Okay SallyAl, now I understand where you are coming from. On the issues of special classes where it is a lifestyle choice, I agree there should be no special considerations. I also agree that taking advantage of the entitlements of U.S. Citizenship are for the most part an abuse and wrong. Now for the people I mentioned, they are, for the most part, NOT asking for any entitlements and are trying to live by the constitution. This is where judging the law comes into play. The income tax is in fact UNconstitutional. We have been brainsoiled, even from our pulpits, to believe that paying income tax is patriotic or that it is the right thing to do. The fact is, we have been set up and enslaved into a police state. The income tax is THEFT and NOT LAWFUL. They have rammed 4 Amendments and other legislative acts down our throats and removed our ‘standing’ to complete the subversion process, stealing our production via the banking/tax vortex and admiralty courts. Please differentiate between those trying to hold to the constitution and their unalienable rights vs. those seeking entitlements or special treatment do to their perverted lifestyles. We must relearn how to properly judge the law. Although I agree with the spirit of your statement, I see some (forgive me) red, white & blue fever filtering into your thinking and pray you will flush it out. Prior to 1913 (Federal Reserve) there was no income tax and in 1895 the Supreme Court adjudicated the income tax as unconstitutional. The SCOTUS also has stated that the (never lawfully ratified) 16th Amendment conveyed ‘NO NEW’ taxing authority. There is in fact no law requiring the filing of a 1040 or payment of tax on labor. The constitution states that there is to be no ‘direct un-apportioned’ tax and that is what the SCOTUS affirmed in 1895. 100% of the income tax collected goes to pay interest to the Luciferian banklords that privately own the Federal Reserve on a FRAUDULENT debt. It is fraud because they provided/loaned no intrinsic value but have been using our production to establish their wealth and infrastructure control. They are rich only because of what they have stolen from us. If we properly judge the law (constitution and natural law), then you will find that those refusing to pay to the thieves are standing up for ALL OF US and not looking for special treatment. Please differentiate!

                • 56 SallyAl November 29, 2011 at 11:03 am

                  I don’t think I will forgive you for the “red, white & blue fever” comment. I feel that was uncalled for and I make no apologies for being American and Patriotic to the core. That being said, I do not want to argue. I agree about the taxes. But show me where I said anything about people wanting to adhere to our Constitution and paying taxes. I think you know what I was getting at. Now if we could convince the entire population and the employers of such to agree and quit paying/withholding taxes we could make a difference. If I thought for one minute I could get away with not paying any income taxes I would certainly do it as would every single person/business in the world. We have a better chance of getting the jug-eared jackass thrown out on his ass and in prison than we have of getting the income taxes thrown out.

                  • 57 sky November 29, 2011 at 11:33 am

                    It is time to get rid of the Council of Foreign Relations,which George Soros,David Rockfeller,Sachs,Jp Morgan,Bank Of America,Citi Bank,Rahlm Emanuel,Clinton.Hillary,Obama,corp.senators and congressman are members.=the corrupt FED

                    • 58 cedartree November 29, 2011 at 11:40 am

                      So CFR is the FED?
                      the same FED which is a humongous foreign skimming operation which systematically thieves Americans by charging interest on paper and ink, devaluing currency by overprinting, and loaning it at o% to themselves and other foreign countries?

                      So the FED takes our money to harm US with?

                      Why is the FED still standing, in our back yards, as a mafia printing mill whose theft proceeds are used to double-harm the victims?

                    • 59 cedartree November 29, 2011 at 12:22 pm

                      This is why THE FED should be dismantled, to take away these idiots’ playground money, which they STEAL from Americans.

                    • 60 Tenacity November 29, 2011 at 12:25 pm

                      The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and The New World Order
                      – By William Blase
                      Excerpt:

                      The founding president of the CFR was John W. Davis, J.P. Morgan’s personal attorney, while the vice-president was Paul Cravath, also representing the Morgan interests. Professor Carroll Quigley characterized the CFR as “…a front group for J.P. Morgan and Company in association with the very small American Round Table Group.” Over time Morgan influence was lost to the Rockefellers, who found that one world government fit their philosophy of business well. As John D. Rockefeller, Sr. had said: “Competition is a sin,” and global monopoly fit their needs as they grew internationally.

                      Antony Sutton, a research fellow for the Hoover Institution for War, Revolution, and Peace at Stanford University, wrote of this philosophy: “While monopoly control of industries was once the objective of J.P. Morgan and J.D. Rockefeller, by the late nineteenth century the inner sanctums of Wall Street understood the most efficient way to gain an unchallenged monopoly was to ‘go political’ and make society go to work for the monopolists– under the name of the public good and the public interest.”

                      Excellent…read the whole article
                      http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Council_Foreign_Relations.htm

                  • 61 Tenacity November 29, 2011 at 12:55 pm

                    SallyAl, I will forgive you for not forgiving me. I don’t apologize for being a proud American either and will risk my life, fortune and sacred honor for liberty, constitution and my grand-kids. However, not too long ago I had to admit my own red, white and blue fever. You ask me to show you, so I won’t ask for forgiveness: “If you don’t believe you should pay taxes because it violates your belief system, tough shiite! None of us here, I think, like the fact that our taxes are used for abortions, murder subsidies, unlawful interest to Luciferians, etc (@Tenacity). Does that mean that if we don’t pay them, we should not be held to account? ” Its not just about beliefs. Its about constitutional governance and law. If you are on a jury, I pray you will not say “tough shiite.” I pray you will judge the law and say NOT GUILTY. You asked about being held to account. I say it is the de facto government that must be held to account and not those standing up to the unconstitutional police state. It is our duty “to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.” I do not wish to argue either, but this is an important healthy debate. I appreciate your comments and trust that you are a true patriot v a false* patriot (*see Red Beckman’s book “Walls In Our Minds” Segment #5).

                    • 62 SallyAl November 29, 2011 at 1:38 pm

                      Oh my goodness, we or I have gotten way off course here. I think I now understand. I see my line “If you don’t believe you should pay taxes because it violates your belief system, tough shiite!”. I actually meant it in the context of it being more of a “religious” belief in the same way Muslims don’t pay interest on loans. I was being a dunce and argumentative and for that I apologize. I promise you this was my intention. But I am also not brave enough to risk what I and my husband have worked so hard for to quit paying taxes to make a point. I’m no Terry Lakin. But I am enough of a b*tch that if I were to get on a jury (so far no takers. I am too opinionated. Ask No-Nonsense-Nancy, LOL) I would certainly do my very best to vote in favor of Our Constitution if the rules, as put to the jury by the judge, permitted. I’ve been trying to find segment 5. Is that on Revolution radio or is that like a book chapter?

                    • 63 Tenacity November 29, 2011 at 2:56 pm

                      Book chapter, watch Dr. Kate’s posting after next. Context understood. Good discussion and important.

                    • 65 Tenacity November 29, 2011 at 5:49 pm

                      May we talk about “if the rules, as put to the jury by the judge, permitted.” for a minute? Judges are lying to jurors. Jurors have every right to judge the law, not just the facts of the case. Again, this is where judging the law comes into play. The only Supreme Court Judge to ever be impeached was Samuel Chase, back around 1800. He was impeached because he instructed a jury that they “were not to judge the law, but only the facts of the case. He would instruct them on the law.” He was impeached because that instruction was Unconstitutional. Today, prosecutors and judges pull that same malarkey all the time. Study the material at http://FIJA.org. They teach you to be stealth and not allow a judge or prosecutor to so easily disqualify you. Then judge the law regardless of what lies are handed you by instruction.

          • 66 Tenacity November 28, 2011 at 6:52 pm

            Alternative to what? If a person follows a Biblical calendar and their Sabbath day changes monthly in relation to the present Catholic calendar, would you deem their required day off a special rule or consideration? If a person refuses to pay income tax because the de facto government kills babies, pays for pornographic art, supports Planned Parenthood, subsidizes murder around the world, oppresses Christian churches’ free speech and pays unlawful interest to Luciferians, would you vote to imprison them for not following the IRS ‘voluntary tax’ system? Is a person that renounces his corporate identity given fraudulently at birth along with his SS# choosing an alternative lifestyle? Just looking for some clarification.

          • 67 Tenacity November 28, 2011 at 6:53 pm

            SallyAl, I replied to you, but it went to the bottom at 6:52 p.m.

            • 68 Troy November 28, 2011 at 7:15 pm

              This jumbled up thread is becoming difficult to follow.

              • 69 drkate November 28, 2011 at 7:34 pm

                Lots of spam in this post, sorry.

                  • 71 heather November 29, 2011 at 3:56 am

                    Ten, i love Ron Paul but will they allow him to win the nomination or will they squash him and drive him off the same cliff they are sending Cain?

                    • 72 Troy November 29, 2011 at 4:50 am

                      There is absolutely no way they will “allow” RP to win the nomination….Even if he actually did win it fair and square, it would not be awarded to him.

                    • 73 sky November 29, 2011 at 11:43 am

                      the thing ron paul should do is to say obama is a domestic enemy and commiting treason,If he does then he wont be a traitor like the rest of them,and committing treason.Paul needs to say that the military needs to arrest obama,now,or they should all be arrested.This is the only thing that can be done,say it now or on election day.

                    • 74 cedartree November 29, 2011 at 12:21 pm

                      Can anyone get on TheObamaFile.com “latest news” section?

                    • 75 Tenacity November 29, 2011 at 9:25 am

                      Heather, they have been squashing him for years. He has stayed the course and his base has grown in spite of Them*. They* have tried to send him off a few cliffs and were successful in 2008, but he is wiser for it and his campaign is prepared. No one has a better organized campaign today without reliance upon the lamestream media. In spite of Them* lying on polls and even shutting some polls down, Dr. Paul is doing quite well and prepared for the endurance contest. We must keep waking people up and pray, never giving up as Dr. Paul is not giving up. He is steady, solid and his campaign is doing amazing things. If a miracle happens and Dr. Paul wins the GOP nomination, you can bet on Them* running a 3rd party candidate. It is not impossible for Dr. Paul to win the election in a 3 way race if he is the GOP candidate. I believe it would be almost impossible for him to win as a 3rd party. The idea is that about 10% will pull the GOP lever regardless of who the nominee is. That 10% would mean victory if he is the GOP nominee and a loss if he is not. In a true 3 way race, it will take about 37-38% of the vote to win. Only 23% of the registered voters actually voted for the usurper in 2008. That means a lot of people stayed home and did not vote. I believe S/Ob will not be able to garner the independent vote this go around. Many of the GOP and independents that did not vote in 2008 will be coming out in droves to vote in 2012. We may see that happen in the primaries. The challenge is to have more constitutionalists show up at the caucuses and primaries than Mormons. In 2008 there was more than double the usual numbers showing up at GOP caucuses and many of them were Mormons. At least that was the case in precincts in my area and seemed to be the case across the country. So volunteer for the Paul campaign now, walk or call your precinct and find Paul supporters. Make certain they are registered as Republicans, even if they are independents have them change their affiliation and participate in the GOP caucus/primary. Encourage Paul supporters to show up at caucus and become delegates.

                    • 76 heather November 29, 2011 at 9:34 am

                      Thanks Ten and my hope he will still win……….and that would be a miracle———–but God shows us miracles everyday, we just need to look at them.

                    • 77 Tenacity November 29, 2011 at 10:19 am

                      I could not agree more. Bless you heather!

              • 78 heather November 28, 2011 at 10:53 pm

                Blame it on barry and co.

        • 79 no-nonsense-nancy November 28, 2011 at 11:03 pm

          Jan, with respect, can you please explain how the Amish are being constantly harrassed by the Feds? They pay NO taxes of any kind, they live their lives the way they want, they don’t even have to be under Obama Care. Their young don’t have to join the military and don’t have to serve in any capacity. They don’t vote or pay any attention to what is going on in the country unless it is something that directly affects them. They are affluent and buy realestate with cash. I have witnessed it. And it is because they don’t have to pay any taxes.
          They have their own schools for their children, thus don’t pay school taxes which I have such a struggle to pay myself. And they only educate their kids to the 8th grade. I have never known, in all the years of living practically right with them, of them being harrassed by the feds, At least the ones in Chester and Lancaster counties, PA. But maybe I have been missing something.

          • 80 Jan November 29, 2011 at 1:24 am

            Just this year the FEDS raided their farms and forced them to stop selling milk to other Amish farmers.
            They also raided their cattle farms and they either had to have their animals CHIPED or pay horendous fines, so they sold their cattle.
            I realize there are things they are exempt from but that has been the case since they came to America. The same goes for the tribes. And while we are at it, the illegals from Mexico

            • 81 Jan November 29, 2011 at 1:36 am

              Sorry, the above post was for Nancy.
              On top of the groups listed above there are now close to 50% of the country that are living on welfare and food stamps, pay no taxes, and get tax rebates, I guess the list could go on but it is late and I don’t feel like arguing.
              Life is not fair and this past year it’s more un-fair than ever before. My point was that if the FEDS are going to target people they are doing a piss poor job.
              I went to work to put my kids in private school and still had to pay public school taxes. I am now a grandma and still pay for public school taxes.
              During the 60s there were thousands of American Citizens that ran to Canada so they would not have to go in the military.
              Muslim women are exempt from going through the x-ray or groping at the airports, it’s against their religion. They were also exempt from obamacare, also are polygimists and bring all their wives with them and they are on the welfare rolls to boot.
              Sorry, I’ll get off my soap box now.

              • 82 heather November 29, 2011 at 3:20 am

                I’m with you Jan–when my last child graduated and I realized that we were still paying those heavy school taxes in NJ and they continued to go up to the point where it was unaffordable to live in our home, we chose to sell and move to where taxes were less and hopefully would remain that way.

                I check back in my old neighborhood and the property values declined by 100k in just 5 short yrs and the taxes are 2500. a yr more — I guess we got out at the right time.

                We can all agree here that it’s not you, its them and we are the ones who pay.

                Everyday is more drama by barry and everyday he writes his own laws and no one stops him.

                Are they that stupid that the only way he can change a law is by an amendment and that requires a con-con? How stupid does he think we are.

          • 83 Jan November 29, 2011 at 1:26 am

            Well I did reply but not sure where it went.🙂.

  7. 84 Starla November 26, 2011 at 4:02 pm

    O/T

    “GLOBAL WAR BEGINNING”

    “New weapons will take vast numbers of souls”

    “Deliberate provocation on the part of the elites, and no commitment to our own Constitution means that all the citizens of the world are being dragged into a global conflagration among nuclear powers.

    Untold numbers of souls will die.”

    “If humanity ever needed a WARNING, it is NOW!!!!!!”

    INFOWARS EXCLUSIVE: Military Sources Reveal Ground Force Invasion of Libya

    OBAMA LAUNCHING WWIII:

    From: http://www.squidoo.com/apparitions-global-illumination-of-conscience

    Please Scroll Up And Down On The Page…

    There are also different pages to see here also.

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    • 85 Starla November 27, 2011 at 2:45 pm

      PLEASE SHARE THIS INFORMATION FAR & WIDE WITH ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!

      “ARAB WINTER”

      By Michael Youssef
      Townhall.com
      November 27, 2011

      Excerpt:

      “After making numerous phone calls and speaking to many Christian leaders in Egypt this week, I have learned that what is really happening on the ground is far removed from the television reporters’ happy endorsement of democracy seekers. To describe what is really going on around the country as “barbaric” would be an understatement. While some of the protestors may be true democracy lovers, the widespread terrorism on display defies all human decency.

      The truth about recent events in Egypt reveals that the country has disintegrated into a total anarchy and barbarianism that would make the Vikings blush.

      Peaceful Christians are being beheaded in their own homes. Their possessions are being carried off as police either stand helplessly by or, for a portion of the booty, turn a blind eye. And surprise, surprise! Nearly all the victims of beheadings were Christians killed by Muslim fundamentalists.

      Not only are the Egyptian Islamists poised to take over the country next Monday if the election is held as scheduled, but these acts of terrorism are serving as propaganda tools to “prove” that they and they alone can bring order to the country with their Sharia law. So, for now at least, these terrorist acts reinforce their cause and agenda.

      So much for President Obama’s “Arab Spring.” When history books are written truthfully, they will reveal that the President’s speech in Cairo, one he insisted the Islamists attend, set this barbarism in motion. Another misstep by President Obama was his demand that his ambassador in Cairo negotiate with what, at the time, was an outlawed entity known as the “Muslim Brotherhood.” This gave the Islamist group a huge comfort level in their push to take over.

      While I cannot enter into the man’s heart or know his motive, I do wonder how Mr. Obama can sleep at night knowing that his misguided foreign policy emboldened pro-Islamists and caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people.”

      Must Read More Here: http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelyoussef/2011/11/27/arab_winter

      • 86 Starla November 27, 2011 at 3:22 pm

        “PRESIDENT TO ESTABLISH FORMAL CONTACTS WITH MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD”

        JIHAD WATCH
        Reported on June 20, 2011

        “The Muslim Brothers” Must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand [Cultural] Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and “sabotaging” its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.” —

        From: “An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America,” by Mohamed Akram, May 19, 1991.”

        Please Scroll Up And Down On This Page To Read Various Warnings Of God:

        From: http://www.tldm.org/News16/PresidentToEstablishFormalContactsWithMuslimBrotherhood.htm

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        • 87 Starla November 28, 2011 at 1:36 am

          “LET THE REAL REVOLUTIONARY POWER
          FLOW THROUGH OUR COUNTRY”

          © Laurie Roth
          November 26, 2011

          Excerpt:

          “Nowadays, the weapons of destruction come from the wonder boy in the White House, Obama, who is controlled by international powers representing the one-world government push and radical Islam. Yes, just as in the days of Nazi Germany and Adolph Hitler, who combined big government with his love for radical Islam, creating the right ingredients for a yummy “dictator soup,” we see the same strange bedfellows working together today.

          The caliphate push of the Muslim Brotherhood and related Islamic radicals view the UN and environmental groups as useful idiots who also want worldwide control, submission, and redistribution of wealth. “Arab Spring” is one of the contemporary regime-change techniques. It combines the world’s confused definition and easy manipulation of democracy with “oppressed” Islam. The goal is being achieved with total success so far throughout the Middle East. Tunisia is now more radical. Egypt is controlled by the radical Muslim Brotherhood, while hundreds of Christians are being murdered. Syria is unraveling, with soldiers rebelling and citizens being murdered, and Palestine is the usual ship of “victim” fools who attack Israel under the leadership of Iran. Then there is lovely Iran, bolting with all its arrogant strength to nuclear fulfillment and then “expression.” The Madi can only wait so long to come out of the well you know.

          The mythology of focusing all the rage on Wall Street

          Isn’t it interesting, along with the token needy people marching with the Occupy Wall Street tantrum throwers, they have been joined by Muslims across the country. Everyone has a beef now, especially Islamic people, unemployed people who hate capitalism, and leftist mobs from the Van Jones and Soros world who simply hate America and freedom.

          What do Obama, the UN, and other global elites want but one-world government, one-world currency, and an international, controlling court influenced by Sharia and anti-Semitism. Who do you think is in the dead center of the bulls-eye who must be subdued and controlled, but the United States of America.

          I have news for any global elite and Islamic fundamentalist groups who dare to dream America will be brought down. It won’t happen. America will stand brighter and more powerful than before! Americans continue to wake up and notice the REAL evil and threats that attack on many fronts. Obama and progressive leftists are only the tip of the UN American iceberg. Environmental science distortions are quickly turning into high-level fraud to crush American energy, power plants, and the coal industry. It is just a hammer to continue the destruction of business, energy, and jobs. We see our vision is improving to 20-20 now.

          I have tracked these issues and attacks on my national radio show and articles for over 10 years now. Hopefully by now, we are all beginning to understand how threatened the Marxist/Communist leftists and international crowd are by America.

          How open are we?

          Are you and I planning to negotiate with Sharia law, submit to an international tax via the UN, and watch energy and power companies destroyed and Americans sold into slavery by this Obama regime? Are you ready to submit to the final rape of watching our very Constitution be ripped apart by submitting to anything like a forced Obama healthcare bill? NO, NO and NO!

          I refuse to scream “Freedom or death.” Braveheart was a great movie, but our choice is much better. Let’s scream together, “Freedom, America, and the Constitution, or get out.”

          Join up and speak your mind at http://www.rothrevolution.ning.com. You can blog, chat, download your own page, and keep updated. Also, join me daily on my national radio show. You can listen online at: http://www.rothshow.com 3-6 pm PAC each day.

          © Laurie Roth

          Read More Here: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/roth/111126

      • 88 Voco Indubium November 27, 2011 at 5:36 pm

        RE: ” …While I cannot enter into the man’s heart or know his motive, I do wonder how Mr. Obama can sleep at night knowing that his misguided foreign policy emboldened pro-Islamists and caused the deaths of thousands of innocent people…..”

        He seeps well. After all, it is comforting to him that the anti-Christian cause is advancing. And the mainstream-media journalists, not reporting the atrocities, seem to sleep well also.

  8. 89 Starla November 26, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    O/T

    Proof Libyan Invasion was Planned 10 Years in Advance – Occult Connection to March 19 Invasion

    A Comment Under This Video:

    “Putin could have VETOED UN-resolution authorizing the Libyan war but he DIDNT. And now he is positioning Russia to do business with the new Libyan Government.

    He is lying to you, and you are too stupid to see it.”

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  9. 90 jane November 26, 2011 at 4:06 pm

    Urgent! PLEASE read this!!!! Didn’t know about this and it is shocking!

    http://www.infowars.com/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-intern-americans-without-trial/

    NOW what do we DO?

    • 91 Troy November 26, 2011 at 4:20 pm

      FEMA Camp, here I come!

    • 92 heather November 26, 2011 at 6:16 pm

      Jane, thanks for posting this and btw–did you read any of replys? One very interesting, the longest there by roadwarrior. hmmmm..

      And McCain and Lindsey Graham are endorsing this? What kind of americans are they…ones that I cannot tolerate, they are both liars, and losers.

  10. 93 heather November 26, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    Here’s what the kids today think liberalism is–I took this directly from a family members facebook page.

    Little did I know until Thanksgiving Day that she decided to toss her husband out and move a lesbian in that she met on line on facebook–who she doesn’t even know and that person is from Billings Montana.

    WTH–and she has a new born baby girl and a 6 yr old son….who are still there with both of the females now.

    Her parents are floored but did nothing and said nothing. Protecting those children would be my first priority–who knows who or what this other female is or has done…

    Our wonderful govt is pushing homosexuality down the throats of all school age kids and parents are not standing up.

    She may not be my daughter but she is my neice and I wont say what I said or did, but I will stand for the innocence of these 2 children and their safety.

    Not sure where wilipedia got this definition but its wrong.

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis) is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally, liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion. These ideas are widely accepted, even by political groups that do not openly profess a liberal ideological orientation. Liberalism encompasses several intellectual trends and traditions, but the dominant variants are classical liberalism, which became popular in the eighteenth century, and social liberalism, which became popular in the twentieth century.

    Liberalism first became a powerful force in the Age of Enlightenment, rejecting several foundational assumptions that dominated most earlier theories of government, such as nobility, established religion, absolute monarchy, and the Divine Right of Kings. The early liberal thinker John Locke, who is often credited for the creation of liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition, employed the concept of natural rights and the social contract to argue that the rule of law should replace absolutism in government, that rulers were subject to the consent of the governed, and that private individuals had a fundamental right to life, liberty, and property.

    Source
    Description above from the Wikipedia article Very Liberal, licensed under CC-BY-SA full list of contributors here. Community Pages are not affiliated with, or endorsed by, anyone associated with the topic.

    • 94 Troy November 26, 2011 at 5:47 pm

      Wikipedia = The big progressive liberal LIE!!!

      • 95 heather November 26, 2011 at 6:25 pm

        This is what they are learning and quite frankly I am completely disgusted with that neice of mine who better watch over both shoulders.

        She declares to be very liberal, an atheist and agostic all together. She was raised in a Christain household with both a mother and a father.

    • 96 Papoose November 26, 2011 at 6:35 pm

      its blatant propaganda*, heather. we are bathed in its murky shallowness 24/7 and have been upon the death of JFK. McCarthy told us about the infiltration of people like ~

      wealthy heir bill ayres is in the business of *re-education for personal profit, just like the federal government… the sheep are being lured through the gate; it will slam shut and many of our beloved children will be shorn right before our weary eyes. its a crying shame. i hope they get to keep their ipads so they can wiki and gooooogle.

      fracturing the American family unit has been the # 1 task at hand for these greedy bastards since I was child. timothy leary told my generation to tune in, turn on, drop out. and so we did, commune style…our neighborhoods broke up and communities set in, and so on.

      creating chaos and confusion for personal gain so to set up agencies in which to funnel people’s wages. with no progress as its a forever kind of thing. its their occupation,

      we’re hamsters on their wheels kept their chicago cages already. Last century the cages were in Boston and thereabouts. they just passed the baton, i.e., the wealthy did, the fathers and their sons.

      what business does bill ayres have in Harrisburg, the bankrupt capital of Pennsylvania on December 14th, 2011? a Commonwealth back in the day. bill ayres in PA? stealth campaign to profit ? organized brainwashing of our children?

      • 97 heather November 26, 2011 at 8:07 pm

        I am so thankful that I had a tough strong mother who raised 5 kids with honor and dignity and love of God and country. Thanks to her we know right from wrong.

        It’s good to see you back Papoose, wondered about your where abouts.

        bill ayers coming to Harrisburg–for what–to sell his commie brainwashing–keep the kids close to your skirts or as far away from him as possible.

  11. 99 Troy November 26, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Backlash against Obama’s rifle ban to target Congress
    ‘These were made in America, by Americans, for Americans’
    ——————————————————————————–
    Posted: November 26, 2011
    8:35 pm Eastern

    By Bob Unruh
    © 2011 WND

    A stealth plan by the Obama administration to classify hundreds of thousands of workhorse rifles used by the U.S. military and public alike as dangerous has prompted a grass-roots campaign to save the weapons, and a key U.S. senator has lent his voice to the effort.

    Read more: Backlash against Obama’s rifle ban to target Congress http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=371401#ixzz1esLywdSz

  12. 101 heather November 26, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Nigel Farage with Neal Cavoto

    • 102 Jan November 26, 2011 at 11:30 pm

      Dear Lord we could use a few like Nigel in our Congress/Senate, Rand Paul comes to mind but very few others have the ba**s to stand up. We also have a country being run by unelected officials and we need rid of them.
      It’s also a shame that when Congress is in session, there are no Congress critters in the audience so none of them have to listen to logic.

  13. 103 Starla November 27, 2011 at 3:32 am

    MICHAEL SAVAGE on BLAGOJEVICH, OBAMA, RAHM EMANUEL CORRUPTION

    * * * *

    MICHAEL SAVAGE: BIG SISTER IS WATCHING YOU!

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    Michael Savage Takes a Call and Gets Absolutely Fed Up with Liberal Idiocy – April 5th, 2010

  14. 104 Troy November 27, 2011 at 10:10 am

    UC Davis Protester: “We Had Encircled The Campus Police; They Were Trying To Leave.”

    “The whole world is watching! The whole world is watching!”

    Okay, maybe the media isn’t. And the left isn’t. We get soundbites and snippets in the media and the left runs with them without any background facts. What the media didn’t report – and what the left didn’t want you to know – is that the students organized the pepper spray incident. It was their choice.

    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/210244.php

    • 105 Troy November 27, 2011 at 10:18 am

      The War on Police

      By: Cliff Kincaid
      Accuracy in Media

      Rather than being victims of police brutality, a new video shows that Occupiers at UC Davis knew they were going to be pepper sprayed and didn’t mind it. Indeed, the new video evidence indicates that the entire confrontation with the police was staged for the benefit of the media, which took the bait and ran with it, making police out to be cruel and heartless villains. The new video evidence demonstrates that the police had not only warned the protesters in advance about what was going to happen but one demonstrator says to the police, “You’re shooting us?” and, after getting an affirmative answer, replies, “That’s fine.” Another tells her comrades, “Keep your eyes closed.” Several are seen covering their faces.

      more: http://www.trevorloudon.com/2011/11/the-war-on-police/

  15. 106 Steven Lee Craig November 27, 2011 at 10:11 am

    drkate commented on The Culture of the Constitution.

    in response to a comment by Steven Lee Craig:

    http://www.constitution.org/puf/puf-dut_103.htm THE FIRST BOOK ON THE DUTY OF MAN AND CITIZEN BY SAMUEL VON PUFENDORF CHAPTER III On Natural Law 11. But that God is the author of the natural law, is proved by the natural reason, if only we limit ourselves strictly to the present condition of humanity, disregarding the question whether his primitive […]

    Excellent, thank you. A perfect understanding of natural law:

    But it means in part that the law can be investigated by the light of reason, in part that at least the common and important the natural law are so plain and clear that they at once find assent, and grow up in our minds, so that they can never again be destroyed, no matter how the impious man, in order to still the twinges of conscience, may endeavor to blot out the consciousness of those precepts. For this reason in Scripture too the law is said to be “written in the hearts” of men.

    ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

    Thanks; I post it as NOT asa poke in the eye of all THOSE that have been exposed to the ramblings of the Machivellians, Marxist, Moaist, et al, but in the hopes that those who have the remainings of moral light in their thoughts take the several days to read the works of such men as Aristotle, Cicero, Pufendorf, Grotius and yes, Vattel, who shone an honest light upon the thoughts of those who’s shoulders he stood upon.

  16. 110 Stock November 27, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    I just came back from a visit to DC. What a disgusting sight to see. I have not been there in 20 years. When I went before-I was a blind idiot. Now that I know what I know-it is about as real as Disneyworld-with my apologies to Walt.The tours are a lovefest for big government-letting you know all that theyve been doing for the little guy-and guess what-those overly huge buildings-thats exactly what they are meant for-to make you feel like the little guy-especially when entering the man-god houses. Havent you realized that in all of history the most grand buildings were built for the worship of God but in DC they are built as the Temples for the worship of our Rulers. We were even shown the very path that Ob took for his Inaugeration. Oh-they allowed us to walk in HIS very steps-egggggggggghhhhhhhhhh. This is part of why those lowlifes that we send there become so power drunk that they become completely useless-different people-they become cogs in the machine-It helped me to realize that the way to fight “Them” and I mean every one of them-is from the ground up-from our towns and cities-hold the power in the States-they took it-and we must get it all back-the States mean nothing to them it is all about their all knowing-all powerful leadership-speaking of ground up-I also went to Arlington-that was extremely sad and infuriating-they have a view of the Whitehouse etc., from there-it was surely from there that the earthquake happened-I refuse to believe that they gave their lives so that those A-holes below could pull off their silent revolution-that was them rolling over in their graves-you just know it-we cant let the sacrifice of those Heros be destroyed-the battle lines are clear-it is us against those who believe that we are their naughty-idiot children-and its the States against those who believe that United States is only a name for their borderless world. Fight them-the Rulers- in every way possible-on every front possible-Fight ON-

  17. 111 Jan November 27, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    Write to Con. Ron Paul and beg him to change his mind on Constitutional Amendments

    He’s wrong on this…an amendment in today’s climate is just as dangerous inasmuch as it takes 38 states to approve and if they were to get 36 and just miss it, the powers that be could easily say to the approving states, well, since they won’t pass the amendment, let’s get a con-con to do it ourselves…afterall it only takes 34 states for a convention call. God help us these people are all uninformed either accidentally or on purpose.
    This appears to be directly from Ron Paul’s congressional email.
    http://targetfreedom.com/bills-in-congress/ron-paul-on-constitutional-convention/

    • 112 Tenacity November 27, 2011 at 3:56 pm

      Dr. Paul is correct on this!! What is dangerous about an amendment? The danger, as Dr. Paul points out, is a constitutional convention which could allow a complete rewrite of the constitution. What he said is that an amendment is THE WAY the founders provided within the constitution to make needed changes and that it is the SAFER route.

      The real problem that is going on is Republicans in State legislators are calling for a constitutional convention believing they can call one for a specific purpose (balance budget) and rescind their call if for any other purpose. The State legislators are relying on ATTORNEYs to advise them on this, or I should say blaming legislative counsels for their idiocy. In Colorado, the Republican Speaker of the House put through such a call on a VOICE VOTE. Legislative legal counsel told them that it was just making a statement. I asked my house rep if the people had elected the legal counsel to decide what to vote on. When confronted, the legal counsel was stumped on the following: 1) How many states have issued a call for Con Con? Answer: uh, uh, I don’t know. So I advised him that over 30 States had already issued a call. 2) Can you site the law providing for a Con Con to be limited to a specific purpose? Answer: Well, uh, no. 3) What gives a State the right to rescind their call once it is issued? Answer: We talked about that and believe what we wrote into the call will do that. Follow up Q: So you acknowledge that there is no such provision in the law. Answer: Yes. 4) What makes you think a Con Con would have a different result than we had in the only precedent we’ve seen? Answer: I’m not sure, but what do you mean? So I told him that in the first and only Con Con, they had come together to make some minor modifications to the Articles of Confederation and ended up with a whole NEW constitution and that there would be nothing to stop them from doing the same thing again. He could not deny that possibility.

      I reiterate, Dr. Paul’s response indicates that he understands the issue and is sound in his thinking.

      • 113 Steven Lee Craig November 27, 2011 at 5:41 pm

        i concur. We had a Constitutional Convention that resulted in the Constitution we have. The Amendment process was included as a prudent measure to make adjustments while remaining within the framework as adopted.

        I would also like to point out that the Amendment process CAN be used to REPEAL any previous Amendment, whether in whole or as a replacement for the original purpose, (such as the 16th being modified from an “income tax levy to a ‘Consumption Tax Levy’) or whatever.

        In any event, a ‘new’ Constitutional Convention MUST be fought against at ALL COSTS.

      • 115 Jan November 27, 2011 at 6:23 pm

        Just so I’m clear, as I’m seeing so many different explanations. You can amend the Constitution without calling a ConCon? Then why do so many want a ConCon, in both states and Fed?
        Also, I’m seeing articles stating there are already XX# of states that have voted for a ConCon several years ago, and other articles lowering the number stating that several states rescinded their vote.
        It gets rather confusing.
        Please excuse my ignorance.

        • 116 Troy November 27, 2011 at 6:33 pm

          Why do “they” want a Con-Con? – you ask

          Because it is a CFR / NWO globalist wet dream….It is just another planned step of bringing the U.S. into a one world communist government.

          Judging by what I am seeing so far, I’d be willing to bet that it will eventually happen….It will be proposed under the guise of nothing but good intentions, when it will be just the opposite.

          • 117 drkate November 27, 2011 at 6:50 pm

            Most people don’t know that no one in elected office can serve in the Constitutional Convention.

            • 118 Troy November 27, 2011 at 6:58 pm

              I didn’t know that….That is good news, but I’d be willing to bet that the rule would be ignored in a modern day Con-Con….At the very least, the PTB would make sure that the Con-Con was stacked with those friendly to their agenda.

            • 119 Jan November 27, 2011 at 8:23 pm

              Including those that are in elected offices. 🙂

              • 120 Tenacity November 28, 2011 at 9:02 am

                The State legislatures select the delegates to a Constitutional Convention.

                Many that support a Con Con do so out of ignorance. The disinformation is heavy which gives us a clue as to the danger involved. The idea of watching anyone who supports a Con Con is wise. It indicates that they are either puppets of the bankster elite or duped by those that are. One thing I learned is that the legislative counsels exert great influence and that must be STOPPED. Let your representatives know that you did not elect the lawyers in the legislative counsel and that you do not trust them. Let them know that if they listen to them, you will not vote for them again. We need to raise up the original and still enforceable 13th Amendment that was designed to keep attorneys out of the government.

                History of the missing 13th Amendment
                http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/13th-amend.shtml

              • 121 sky November 28, 2011 at 1:16 pm

                our goverment are also elitist they dont even have to contribute to the corrupt social security,life time to the best doctors,pensions plans.The goverments in all countries are also elitist,their boss the Rothschilds.They and the banksters have the control of all the money.The lobbiest are also included,dont forget soros,buffett,gates,ford,GE,IBM,Google,Heinz,get out of goldman sachs,bank of america,citi bank,bank of new york,chase bank they are involved in this financial ponzi scheme.Most of our bailout money went overseas,and alot of these countries get foreign aid from U.S. tax payers.Now the states ponzi scheme go to you tube and type in how big is oklahomas goverment go to video,prowlingowl.com this is probley going on in your state.Now all goverment workers & unions backthese goverment elitist.

        • 122 Steven Lee Craig November 27, 2011 at 6:52 pm

          It is never ‘ignorant’ to ask a question, but not seeking answers can be said to be so.

          FEAR any that support a Constitutional Convention, its ONLY purpose is to REPLACE the Constitution we have.

          Most supporters of the “Con-Con” support the idea because they feel a ‘Document written on Parchment over a 100 years ago’ is out of touch with the ‘evolution’ of Global civilazation.

          The Constitution puts NO LIMIT on Amendments, their number or their purpose. The limitations are only those that the various States impose upon them by with holding consent, 3/4ths required for Adoption.

          I see nothing in the Constitution that provides for a Constitutional Convention and, IMO, would be unConstitutional in its inception without being put to a Vote to the General Population by each of the various States and NOT left to a Vote only by a State House of Representatives.

          Here is the list of Amendments to date, some of which are ‘ripe for repeal’. Notice their dates of Adoption and the diminishing relevance to the needs of the Public at large.

          Amendment I [Religion, Speech, Press, Assembly, Petition (1791)]
          Amendment II [Right to Bear Arms (1791)]
          Amendment III [Quartering of Troops (1791)]
          Amendment IV [Search and Seizure (1791)]
          Amendment V [Grand Jury, Double Jeopardy, Self-Incrimination, Due Process (1791)]
          Amendment VI [Criminal Prosecutions – Jury Trial, Right to Confront and to Counsel (1791)]
          Amendment VII [Common Law Suits – Jury Trial (1791)]
          Amendment VIII [Excess Bail or Fines, Cruel and Unusual Punishment (1791)]
          Amendment IX [Non-Enumerated Rights (1791)]
          Amendment X [Rights Reserved to States (1791)]

          ——————————————————————————–
          Amendment XI [Suits Against a State (1795)]
          Amendment XII [Election of President and Vice-President (1804)]
          Amendment XIII [Abolition of Slavery (1865)]
          Amendment XIV [Privileges and Immunities, Due Process, Equal Protection, Apportionment of Representatives, Civil War Disqualification and Debt (1868)]
          Amendment XV [Rights Not to Be Denied on Account of Race (1870)]

          ——————————————————————————–
          Amendment XVI [Income Tax (1913)]
          Amendment XVII [Election of Senators (1913)
          Amendment XVIII [Prohibition (1919)]
          Amendment XIX [Women’s Right to Vote (1920)
          Amendment XX [Presidential Term and Succession (1933)]
          Amendment XXI [Repeal of Prohibition (1933)]
          Amendment XXII [Two Term Limit on President (1951)]
          Amendment XXIII [Presidential Vote in D.C. (1961)]
          Amendment XXIV [Poll Tax (1964)]
          Amendment XXV [Presidential Succession (1967)]
          Amendment XXVI [Right to Vote at Age 18 (1971)]
          Amendment XXVII [Compensation of Members of Congress (1992)]

          //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

          So, on the one hand a ‘person’ up to the age of 26 yrs old would be covered by their parents insurance under Obamacare and yet in 1971 it was felt they were mature enough to Vote….?

          • 123 Jan November 27, 2011 at 8:24 pm

            Thank you all for making this clear. I do appreciate it.

          • 124 Tenacity November 28, 2011 at 9:12 am

            U.S. Constitution – Article 5
            The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

            • 125 Steven Lee Craig November 28, 2011 at 9:27 am

              Read it carefully and you’ll see that it should properly be called a Convention of States for the purpose of purposing Constitutional AMENDMENTS.

              In other words, just as the Fed House and Senate can PURPOSE AMENDMENTS, the States can gather for the same purpose, but then those proposals made by the States must be sent to the Congress for approval by both houses and then sent back to the States for acceptance or rejection.

              In most State Constitutions any such ‘proposed Amendment propositions’ must be put on the Ballot for a public vote.

              • 126 Steven Lee Craig November 28, 2011 at 9:41 am

                In reality the only way to establish a firm ‘legal basis’ for a “Constitutional Convention” that would go beyond the established Amendment Process provided for in the existing Constitution is to gather an assembly in the nature of the one that produced the Declaration of Independence……………and then provide justification for tearing down what has been built, rather than repairing or restoring to its original intents and purposes…………..beyond the 1st 10 Amendments more than half should be repealed with a “multipurpose Amendment’ clarifying and simplifying those interests in PLAIN LANGUAGE.

                • 127 Tenacity November 28, 2011 at 10:09 am

                  Steven, I have read it carefully and studied the process. It does not work as you have stated and it did not work that way with the initial Constitutional Convention. The Con Con carries more authority than a joint session of Congress. Once ratified by 3/4 or the States legislatures, it becomes law. The Articles of Confederation required unanimous ratification of the Convention’s product which they achieved. I believe that one of the reasons the calls for Con Con have been ignored thus far by Congress is that it leaves them out of the process. The fact is that there have been more than enough calls for Con Con already. Some have rescinded their calls, but there is no provision for rescission and some claim those rescissions invalid.

                  The requirements for State constitutional amendments are different from the U. S. Constitution. Ratification of amendments to the U.S. Constitution is different from State to State, but none that I am aware of require a vote of the public. Red Beckman’s book “The Law That Never Was” details the requirements for each of the first 48 States to ratify. That book also proves that the 16th & 17th Amendments were never lawfully ratified. Dyett v Turner (Utah Supreme Ct) proves that the 14th was never lawfully ratified and it is believed that the 15th failed to properly ratify as well.

                  I see no need to complicate the Con Con or ratification processes. It is confusing enough already without trying to make it something its not.

                  • 128 Steven Lee Craig November 28, 2011 at 10:43 am

                    Well, interpretation of the Constitution is often times in the eye’s of the beholder, but;

                    U.S. Constitution – Article 5
                    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

                    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////

                    apparently we parse the following differently.;

                    “…. on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments,….”

                    ……….Amendments are made to specific Articles, Sections, Clauses or provisions therein…………

                    I read nothing there that authorizes the re-writing of the whole….

                    ….as to the proposition that the ‘public’ of a State would not need to vote I believe you will find that each of the various States acknowledge that the U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land and any proposition that would nullify that provision of a State Constitution would require the State Constitutions to be re-written as well…………

                    what I am saying is that any such Convention would be extra-constitutional and illegal if its intent or result was to do more than purpose Amendments for specific purposes…………………

                    ……..it may be a circumstance where we will have to agree to disagree, but I believe I have the history of the natural law writers as well as the actions of Our Founders on my side………..also many of the finer points are to be found here………. http://scholarship.law.marquette.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1487&context=mulr

                    • 129 Tenacity November 28, 2011 at 12:44 pm

                      Citing opinions of attorneys and law professors from the government schools is like reading the menu at Baskin-Robbins…what flavor would you like? However, I will give you just one. In the famous letter written by former Supreme Court Justice Warren Burger to Phyllis Schlafly, President of Eagle Forum, Burger writes, “…there is no effective way to limit or muzzle the actions of a Constitutional Convention. The convention could make its own rules and set its own agenda. Congress might try to limit the convention to one amendment or to one issue, but there is no way to assure that the convention would obey. After a convention is convened, it will be too late to stop the convention if we don’t like its agenda. The meeting in 1787 ignored the limit placed by the confederated Congress…”

                    • 130 Steven Lee Craig November 28, 2011 at 3:14 pm

                      Well, now we are back to saying the same thing, more or less.

                      My problem with the prospect of such an effort is that there is NO agreement on the simple terms of the existing Constitution, even after 222 yrs, so how many unintended consequences and unresolved interpretations could/would that was the subject of REPEAL by the 2result from a new Constitution or Amendments written in the current status of legalese…?

                      Most of our countries problems are in the multitude of ill conceived laws that are tenuously based on Congressional interpretations of THEIR ENUMERATED POWERS.

                      I have NO FAITH in a Congress that can accept a CRS report on the status of POTUS eligibility that is deceptive, deceitful and incomplete on the heels of certifying McLame based on the very same birth circumstances that was the subject of REPEAL by the Congress of 1795. It indicates to me that there is no intellectual honesty of the body in whole.

                      I make that point to clarify my opposition to a “Con-Con” given that the Congress does have some influence on Assemblage and process.

                      The efforts in the direction those that support that process would be better served in working toward supporting candidates that would VOTE for the reforms desired under the Regular Order of a sitting Congress.

    • 132 Starla November 28, 2011 at 4:30 pm

      “WHAT IF THE CONSTITUTION NO LONGER APPLIED?”

      Judge Andrew Napolitano
      © 2011 WorldNetDaily Commentary
      November 23, 2011

      Excerpt:

      “What if the whole purpose of the Constitution was to limit the government? What if Congress’ enumerated powers in the Constitution no longer limited Congress, but were actually used as justification to extend Congress’ authority over every realm of human life? What if the president, meant to be an equal to Congress, has become a democratically elected, term-limited monarch? What if the president assumed everything he did was legal, just because he’s the president? What if he could interrupt your regularly scheduled radio and TV programming for a special message from him? What if he could declare war on his own? What if he could read your emails and texts without a search warrant? What if he could kill you without warning?

      What if the rights and principles guaranteed in the Constitution have been so distorted in the past 200 years as to be unrecognizable by the founders? What if the states were mere provinces of a totally nationalized and fully centralized government? What if the Constitution was amended stealthily, not by constitutional amendments duly passed by the states, but by the constant and persistent expansion of the federal government’s role in our lives? What if the federal government decided whether its own powers were proper and constitutional?”

      Must Read More Here:
      http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=370733

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  18. 133 Steven Lee Craig November 27, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    I trust you do not think this too far off topic…………………

    • 134 Jan November 27, 2011 at 3:03 pm

      Good one, glad to see some in the Tea Party are finally waking up. I was also concerned that he stated at the Republican Central Committee meeting they were unable to come up with a solution.

    • 135 Rosemary Woodhouse November 27, 2011 at 9:32 pm

      Excellent. One of the best I’ve seen yet. He is calm and rational.

  19. 139 heather November 27, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    Some are waking up.

    Subject: OBAMA’S COLLEGE CLASSMATE SPEAKS OUT

    THIS MAN HAS GOT TO BE STOPPED

    If he is re-elected in 2012, the US is finished. The following is in simple language that everyone can understand. Not the gibberish that our government keeps telling people. Please read this carefully and make sure you keep this message going.

    This needs to be emailed to everyone in the USA …
    OBAMA’S COLLEGE CLASSMATE SPEAKS OUT

    By Wayne Allyn Root , June 6th, 2010
    Barack Hussien Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent.
    To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he’s doing.
    He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy to create systemic failure,
    economic crisis and social chaos — thereby destroying capitalism and
    our country from within.
    Barack Hussien Obama was my college classmate

    ( Columbia University , class of ’83).
    He is a devout Muslim do not be fooled.
    Look at his Czars…anti-business..anti- american.
    As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Barack Hussien Obama is
    following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University ..
    They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system
    with government spending and entitlement demands.
    Add up the clues below. Taken individually they’re alarming.
    Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival … and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government.
    Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
    Universal health care . The health care bill had very little to do with health care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions).
    Obama doesn’t care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans will add trillions to the national debt.
    What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government. Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill in the middle of a depression?
    Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with
    health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming.
    It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control
    of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama’s biggest contributors.
    Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns
    NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants.
    They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to
    Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power.
    The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars,
    bigger homes and businesses helps Obama “spread the wealth around.”
    Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who’s asking for a 51st state?
    Who’s asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government
    entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression? Certainly not American taxpayers. But this has been Barack Hussien Obama’s plan all along.
    His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.
    Legalize 12 million illegal Mexican immigrants.
    Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America. But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted on to support big government.
    Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children,
    food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and
    eventually Social Security.
    Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go?
    It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions — including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country.
    It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could
    keep paying union dues.
    It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out (after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions).
    A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues).
    All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their
    bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America.
    The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful.
    The ends justify the means.
    Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job
    creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers, redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama).
    Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Barack Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition. With the acts outlined above, Barack Hussien Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the
    system.
    Add it up and you’ve got the perfect Marxist scheme — all devised by
    my Columbia University college classmate Barack Hussien Obama using the Cloward and Piven Plan …
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  20. 144 no-nonsense-nancy November 27, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    They are becoming more modern, not because they want to be but because many of their youth refuse to adhere to the old ways. I’m sorry Steven, but to me, having been exposed to them for so many years, it is hypocracy. To drive a horse and buggy on the roads but when you need to go into the city to the hospital or go a distance too far for a buggy ride to pay someone to drive you in a car is hyprocracy. Just drive the darn car in the first place! On the plus side, it does give a few people jobs who own vans and “drive the Amish”.

    And they do have crime in thier community. You don’t hear of it most of the time but it does exist. Child abuse exists, especially working young children in the fields. Many farm accidents occur because of that.

    It can be difficult living among them. They are very hazardous on the highways and cause some very bad accidents. They faught for years to not have to put lights on their buggies at night or to have the orange hazzard signs on the back.Tthey pay NO road taxes because they aren’t required to register the buggies or have drivers liscenses and yet they tear up our roads. They even faught for years to be able to keep their iron wheels. They really tore up the roads. They pay no imncome tax and are exempt from Obamacare.

    Like I said above. they are very good people. However they do have their faults

    Sorry if I sound terrible. I said above that I was just getting started!

    • 145 heather November 28, 2011 at 9:13 am

      NNN–having lived in south jersey for years, we visited Lancaster at least twice a year to shop and make a day of it.

      They do have accidents with their buggies, they do sell their products they make, they do have sexual molestations, they do not believe in medical practices, they do have murders—all of these things they have in their communities, but they are all mostly kept under the covers, as they take care of one another.

      No, they are not bad people, they just want to be left alone, but do not want to adhere to the same rules and laws that bind this country.

      I must say that they do take care of their properties and keep the land as beautiful as can be. Lancaster is absolutely a picture perfect community, like something out of time that we will never see again.

  21. 146 cedartree November 27, 2011 at 11:28 pm

    I can think of four attorneys, Donofrio, Vieira, Apuzzo, Taitz who state, on the record, with their names, and their licenses, that Obama is not eligible per article II based on Minor, Elg, Ark, Luria, etc.

    Yet there is no attorney, on the record, who will state that Obama is a natural born citizen and cite any Supreme Court ruling to prove it.

    Nobody, the obots just disappeared when Donofrio said, “Put your name and reputation on it.” They allinsky#5 when they’re being anonymous and they have no facts to argue with.

    No vetted named reputed attorney states that Obama is a natural born citizen on the record.

    And of course everyone knows that AKA Obama isn’t “obama” anyway.

  22. 148 drkate November 27, 2011 at 11:46 pm

    OT–Is Obama a KGB agent? Interesting read and pics

    http://www.henrymakow.com/kgb_operation_barack_obama.html

    • 149 Tenacity November 28, 2011 at 10:47 am

      I frankly find this article closer to believable than many other theories. It leaves out certain connections, like the Nazis, the Vatican and the micro-finance influences, but reveals significant details of who this spy is. Take a close look at the 2 photos (1981 v 1988). Although similar, may not be the same person. I had not considered that possibility before, but it makes sense.

  23. 150 bill November 28, 2011 at 5:16 am

    Looks like another great site for exposing AKA Obama but I wonder if the American people can’t see the forest for all those pesky trees ! There is a multitude of good men and women running about,helter skelter,trying to prove this or that fact about AKA Obama.I personally would request,that anyone who reads this,put on their “Employers Hat” for just a moment,while I apply for a job
    at YOUR company.I turn in a sparse resume claiming all kinds of talent,experience and educational background.Then you,as the employer ask for documents to validate my claims and I tell you to research it Yourself.Excuse me !?!? This is exactly what the American “Employers” are being told.Bottom line in all of this is We the Employers have a NON_VETTED individual as the CEO of Our great Country and once again are being asked,for four more failing years.

  24. 151 Troy November 28, 2011 at 7:59 am

    Just announced: Bawny Fwank will NOT seek reelection in 2012.

    • 152 heather November 28, 2011 at 9:03 am

      I guess he stole enough money, between him and his boyfriend that they are set for life and therefore have no need to work. OR—he’s afraid of we the people coming for him and the money he stole from us and they are going into hiding!

  25. 153 Papoose November 28, 2011 at 8:09 am

    Per this book published in 1904, the perpetrators causing to forge or falsify records of citizenship and the right to vote get off pretty easy:

    http://www.archive.org/stream/citizenshipunit01goog#page/n363/mode/2up/search/fALSE+CERTIFICATE

    from this book written by Frederick Van Dyne

    http://openlibrary.org/books/OL6935353M/Citizenship_of_the_United_States

  26. 156 heather November 28, 2011 at 8:48 am

    http://conservativebyte.com/2011/11/senate-moves-to-allow-military-to-arrest-americans-without-charge-or-trial/

    We better hope and pray that the senate doesn’t vote yes on this today or we are dead in the water. WTH are they thinking…………..vote them all out.

    • 157 jrCarolinas November 28, 2011 at 1:39 pm

      Apparently all these sites that have posted these articles have not read the bill. Of course there may be other things that are not to our liking in it, but this is in regards to the military detaining citizens.

      S.1867 — National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 – the Infowars article points out 2 sections 1031 and 1032 – However two points I want to mention are this from the following sections:

      SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.

      (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:

      (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.

      (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
      (Of course we know this does extend to American citizens and we definitely want it to if they commit these acts)

      (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:

      (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.

      (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.

      (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person’s country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

      SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.

      (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

      (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

      (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

  27. 160 Rosemary Woodhouse November 28, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Troy, they are intentionally exposed to temptation. Most of them go back to the fold. Their “gap year” is called “rumspringa”.

    http://amishamerica.com/what-is-rumspringa/

  28. 161 egarners November 28, 2011 at 10:08 am

    The real enemy is greed and lust for power. Our founders recognized that fact and attempted to create a republic of laws and government chained by a blueprint of checks and balances to prevent government domination by those that live by tyranny.

    Unfortunately, our Constitution was under attack before the ink had dried on that marvelous document.

    We are now in perpetual debt slavery to the banksters and big corporate monopolies that rule your government through special interest bribes to your representatives.

    Time to impeach, prosecute both sides of these insidious bribes and rid ourselves of the greatest enemy of the people, the Federal Reserve and sever the influence of big corporate monopolies.

    We need to elect Ron Paul in 2012. Restore Constitutional integrity, the end of imperialistic involvement and wars driven by the industrial/military complex.

    We can restore the American dream, but only with the involvement of “we the people”. Turn off the damned TV and pay attention to reality!

  29. 162 Jan November 28, 2011 at 11:07 am

    S.1687:The hunting of America expands
    Posted: 27 Nov 2011 10:33 AM PST

    http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/s-1867-hunting-americans/

  30. 163 Jan November 28, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Sorry this is a little long but very important, could be coming to your state

    San Jose Mercury News 11/27/2011, Page A16
    Editorial

    Think Long’s ideas call for healthy debate
    As the national debate rages over whether the wealthiest Americans are doing enough to help solve our problems, California has an example of a billionaire who takes seriously his role in promoting the public good.

    Nicolas Berggruen, chairman of Berggruen Holdings, is the founder of the bipartisan Think Long Committee for California, which last week released a sweeping blueprint it plans to take to the ballot — backed by $20 million of Berggruen’s fortune — to reform California government. The group hopes massive change here will set an example for the federal government.

    Like a similar proposal released by the reform group California Forward, this one deserves deep consideration and lively debate. Even if Berggruen’s proposals don’t all make the cut, he deserves credit for devoting his resources to fixing the state’s government.

    Think Long’s most sweeping idea is to restructure the tax system, reducing its reliance on the volatile income tax and broadening the sales tax to include services, which increasingly dominate our economy.

    Think Long says this would generate $10 billion more per year to pay down debt and restore funding to public schools, colleges, universities and local governments to rebuild the foundation for future economic growth.

    However, that $10 billion in new revenue already is generating pushback from the right, though it garnered the approval of Think Long’s Republicans, including former Secretaries of State Condoleezza Rice and George Shultz. The bigger question is whether the tax system, which includes lower rates on income, will be as progressive as the current system. Think Long says the top 5 percent of earners will still pay 62 percent of the taxes. Others say the extension of the sales tax to services — even though families making less than $45,000 would pay no income tax and receive a sales tax rebate — falls too heavily on the poor.

    The left-leaning members of the committee, including Willie Brown and Gray Davis, agreed to this proposal, but we are eager to see more detailed analysis.

    While the tax plan has received the most attention, it’s not Think Long’s most radical. That distinction goes to its idea for a new Citizens Council for Government Accountability — a board, appointed primarily by the governor, with the authority to place initiatives directly on the ballot, bypassing the Legislature and the signature-gathering process.

    It also would publish its own analysis of ballot measures and be a “watchdog for the long-term public interest and for quality control of government.”

    This sounds an awful lot like the Legislature’s job.

    That distinguished Think Long members such as Eric Schmidt, Ron George and Laura D’Andrea Tyson find this step necessary is tantamount to declaring that the Legislature — hampered by term limits and beholden to campaign donors — is incapable of putting the future of California first.

    It’s tough to argue with that conclusion, given lawmakers’ failure to seriously address reform. But this committee’s powers would be sweeping. Its 13 voting members are supposed to be nonpartisan and impartial — but they will be appointed by politicians with agendas, and they will not be accountable to the public. It won’t be easy to convince voters, or us, that it’s a good idea.

    Fortunately, Berggruen’s millions will assure that it gets a thorough hearing.

    • 164 heather November 28, 2011 at 10:13 pm

      If we install a consumer tax, fair tax, or any other tax to end the income tax the govt thugs will still say NO—why? Because they lose control over our money and us. It’s all about control — just think, how many times do we hear day in day out, we (the dems) have to raise taxes—they will do anything to keep us from having enough of our own money through their illegal taxes.

  31. 165 sky November 28, 2011 at 12:38 pm

    Its time to make flyers and signs about ending the rothschilds FED. ITis unconstitutional.

  32. 166 heather November 28, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-future-of-the-obama-coalition/

    for those who wonder where the racial divide comes from–just look east to DC.

  33. 167 Quantum Leap November 28, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    GOOD NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Rep. Barney Frank leaves Congress with “Pockets Full” and Washington DC smoldering in the background !!!

    BAWNEY FWANK WILL NOT SEEK RE-ELECTION in 2012. He’s scared Tea Party will boot him out with the new redistricting of 325,000 more new voters.
    He may also be trying to cover up his multitude of financial crimes by resigning.

    • 168 heather November 28, 2011 at 10:16 pm

      Ditto QL–covering up the millions he has stolen from us and lets not forget that they have access to insider trading—hence making more money from us. He and his gang warlords have robbed us blind and he is leaving definitely with full pockets before he can be caught. Who’s he bu$$sh**ing.

  34. 169 Quantum Leap November 28, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    The posts are landing in the wrong spot. Let’s see where this one lands.

    • 171 Troy November 28, 2011 at 4:08 pm

      I think that as soon as Eric Holder is removed from office and is replaced that someone with standing (such as Terry Lakin) should immediately file a quo warranto action….It would tell us real quickly just what kind of new AG we were given….Another potential quo warranto plaintiff, with standing, would be former IG Walpin.

      It sure seems like one of these guys would want to dish out a little bit of retribution for the way they were wronged.

      • 172 heather November 28, 2011 at 10:09 pm

        I don’t think Terry Lakin would do anything. I don’t think he was forceful enough even during his trial. He is a refined medical doctor and an officer, but too mousey–and I’m sorry — but this is my opinion.

        So he stood alone with the help from no one and even though that took courage, which it did, he should have been more aggressive and assertive. He was too quiet and let these traitors shove him into a corner. This is my opinion from what I have read and watched from his videos.

        • 173 no-nonsense-nancy November 28, 2011 at 11:21 pm

          Heather, if you knew Terry you would not feel the way you do. He is anything but mousey. He is very strong with high values and principles. He was ill advised as to his lawyer and he was going against the ARMY. He did everything the proper way and was railroaded. It was decided right from the beginning what they were going to do with him. it was a real kangaroo court. Now that he is officially out of the army I think he is going to be more active in this fight. He was very limited as to what he could say or do until now. It is good to listen to his radio show on Mondays. I always listen to them from the archives later.

          • 174 heather November 29, 2011 at 3:53 am

            NNN-I know you and Dr K and Papoose were at the trial–I remember. I’m just saying that I think he could have done more to save himself. We all agree that his attorney was at fault for insufficient defense – and I often wonder if the attorney was threatened behind the scenes.

            I also not saying that I disrepect him, I just don’t think he can do this alone, he will need help from much higher ups to fight the fight and if he wins, then he will be rewarded with his benefits returned, which I hope and pray happens for him, because he should never have lost them. He is not the traitor, barry and co are.

            Far too many attorneys have gone to trial against barry and keep losing, due to standing–wth is that? Standing? Just an excuse and word put in place so the justices don’t have to make a decision.

            I would love to see Terry regain the respect he deserves and has earned.

        • 175 Voco Indubium November 29, 2011 at 1:28 pm

          RE: “…. he was not forceful enough even during his trial…”

          Terry was betrayed by his attorney. He is probably deeply disappointed in the entire country. He comes across as a very honest and good man, an idealist like many of us. To file a Quo Warranto he needs a very good new pro-bono lawyer more than he needs aggressiveness.

          Walpin would be good as plaintiff for QW, but he is not interested. (Leo’s friends approached him in 2009 or so. ) Of course he could change his mind.

  35. 176 Jan November 28, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    In sending around the info on mcCain’s bill to lock up anyone they choose, people were asking, would the military fire on Citizens?
    My good friend Bob, a Vet, wrote this:
    “Dear Jan, reading this forward I can answer the question the writer asks. Would the troops turn and fire on us if told to do so? History say’s yes…

    Kent State, May 4, 1970. Ohio National Guard fired on and killed American’s. Why? Because they were ordered to do so.

    July 28, 1932 Veterans from WWI demanding payment for services rendered in the service of their country camped out on the grounds of the WH. They were forcibly removed by US Army Infantry and tanks under the command of Army Chief of Staff, Douglas MacArthur. The veterans were shot at, two of the veterans later died of their wounds. Why did the army do so? Because they were ordered to do so.

    Both of the examples of history above is were Americans were not Terrorists, but were in fact ordinary citizens, both groups were in fact protesting the american government.”

    Now, with the Communists in DC, God only knows what they would order or what they would do. This bill also eliminates Posse Commatatus

  36. 177 Quantum Leap November 28, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    http://pjmedia.com/blog/for-2012-be-wary-of-obama%E2%80%99s-ties-to-corrupt-project-vote/?singlepage=true

    Acorn is at it again under a new name called Project Vote.

    When an incumbent’s prospect of reelection looks shaky, his temptation to take advantage of holes in the security of our election process is the greatest — especially if he believes he can engage in fraud without being detected. Should we be worried over B. O. reelection campaign given his prior connections to Project Vote?

    Project Vote is an affiliate of ACORN, one of the most corrupt advocacy organizations in recent memory. Its employees have been convicted in case after case of voter registration fraud. They have submitted tens of thousands of fraudulent forms, often on the eve of elections, causing chaos and confusion for local election officials in states ranging from Florida to Indiana to Nevada. Project Vote had to admit in 2008 that its claim of 1.3 million newly registered voters was wrong: at least 400,000 were rejected by election officials because they were incomplete or fraudulent.

    Some former employees-turned-whistleblowers claim that flooding election officials with an overwhelming number of new, faulty registration forms was planned conduct, intended to cause turmoil and to make it easier to convince election officials to accept questionable registrations and questionable voters on election day.

    It should be no surprise that Project Vote added Piven to its board of directors last year.

    As Matthew Vadum outlined in his recent book Subversion Inc., ACORN and Project Vote are interchangeable: “Their staffs overlap, they share office space, and they share money. Employees migrate between the two legally separate organizations constantly.” The board of Project Vote was made up entirely of ACORN staffers and members.

    In fact, even the New York Times reported that, based on its own interviews and an internal report conducted by ACORN’s lawyer Elizabeth Kingsley, the close ties between the two organizations “made it impossible to document that Project Voter’s money had been used in a strictly nonpartisan manner.”

    The former executive director of Project Vote, Zach Polett (who served at the same time as ACORN’s political director), dismissed public concerns about voter fraud. He said such “efforts to curb so-called ‘voter fraud’ are in reality attempts to disenfranchise and silence our least powerful citizens.” As Matthew Vadum writes, Polett channels the grand liberal architects of radical revolution, Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven.

    Despite the corrupt and fraudulent activities of ACORN and Project Vote, phoney Obama has already dubbed the voter registration part of his 2012 campaign as … “Project Vote.” This is not surprising, given his history with Project Vote.

    • 178 heather November 28, 2011 at 10:01 pm

      And we all know that barry didnt win the popular vote which made him the actual loser–unfortunately the electorol college vote won.

      Next yr all of us better watch every little incident with wide open eyes and report and create chaos ourselves–we cannot afford to have him win by any means.

      If any black panther bars our entry to a poll, ignore them, push past them, it is our right to enter and vote. Do not let anyone scare or intimidate our rights.

  37. 180 Jan November 28, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    Every day something new (at least to me)
    “No, the enemy at your door is the people who wrote Global Governance 2025 – Your own Federal Government. We are not fighting the UN, we are now fighting our own Federal Government and yes, all three branches. They are forcing every American into bankruptcy – where Global Marxism looks better than starvation.”

    http://www.dni.gov/nic/PDF_2025/2025_Global_Governance.pdf

  38. 182 Quantum Leap November 28, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    It’s all a jumble. Post go missing and end up anywhere.

  39. 186 heather November 28, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/yes-americans-will-be-targeted-as-terrorists-under-the-ndaa.html

    We must call all senators to vote against this bill–it goes directly against our constitutional protections and any senator that votes for it must be fired.

    • 187 Jan November 29, 2011 at 1:18 am

      Check this out, and look at the credentials of the author
      These bills, dormant since June, 2011, are in position to move. All these bills sponsored by Sen. Levin. with no Cosponsors, 6-22-11
      (No Cosponsors. Sponsor, Sen Levin a 6 term, Jewish lawyer from Detroit, 1959 graduate of Harvard, Chair of Homeland Security & Governmental Affairs)
      NOW LOOK AT S 1867 also by Sen. Levin.

      S.1253 Latest Title: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012
      Sponsor: Sen Levin, Carl [MI] (introduced 6/22/2011) Cosponsors (None)
      Related Bills: S.1254, S.1255, S.1256
      Latest Major Action: 6/22/2011 Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 80.
      Read: Detainee Matters, Sections 1031,1033 and 1036 referring to non-military detainees, preempted enforcement by military
      ________________________________________
      S.1253 ALL ACTIONS:
      6/22/2011: Committee on Armed Services. Original measure reported to Senate by Senator Levin.
      6/22/2011: Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 80.
      S1254: Dept. of Defense Authorization Bill to procure advanced satellites, bombers, etc.
      S1255: Military Construction Authorization Act to acquire real property and carry out military construction projects; land acquisition
      S1256 Dept. of Energy National Security Act: Nuclear security and environmental restoration and waste

  40. 188 heather November 28, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    It seems that every single country has thug criminals for leaders and each and every one of them is screwing their people.

    Barry is the most evil outright usurper in the history of America and NOT ONE SINGLE CONGRESSMAN, SENATOR, MILITARY BRASS, SCOTUS IS DOING A DA** THING ABOUT IT. Do they not realize that they too are included in this coup and their lives will be destroyed, along with their families–they cannot be exempt forever. I am totally fed up with all of them.

    I

  41. 189 no-nonsense-nancy November 28, 2011 at 11:10 pm

    They really want to eliminate Herman Cain from the race. i guess he is a big threat to the usurper. This time it is a 13 year affair.

    http://news.yahoo.com/woman-alleges-long-affair-cain-222218960.html

    I read it on a nother site, too, but don’t have the link right now.

    • 190 heather November 29, 2011 at 4:02 am

      NNN–you bet they want to eliminate Hermann Cain at any cost and this is disgusting. That man is innocent of all of this. I have listened to Hermann on the radio for years and have watched him joining the tea party protests and this is wrong.

      Apparently he must have the majority of the black vote and this is pissing off barry who counts on that vote–so what better way to blackball him then to use sex.

      Yep, once they get rid of Cain, they will pick off each one of the others, heck maybe thats why Trump and Palin are standing in the wings—-hmmm….thats a thought…..

  42. 191 heather November 29, 2011 at 5:39 am

    OT a bit–thanks to barry and co AMR parent co of American Airlines is filing chapter 11 bk–that means 7000 employees just here in Tulsa affected.

  43. 192 cedartree November 29, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Can anyone else get on TheObamaFile.com to the “latest” part? I can’t!

  44. 194 heather November 29, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/senate-rejects-amendment-to-indefinite-detention-bill.html

    great news!

    p.s. I posted this prior but it didnt make it, so if it shows up its a duplicate.

    • 195 Jan November 29, 2011 at 4:50 pm

      Heather,
      Can you please explain to me how the passage of this bill is great news?
      Great news that now obat has the power to arrest, detain, no trial on American citizens, when Homeland Security has the majority of good people on their terrorist list, including me and probably you?

      • 196 heather November 29, 2011 at 7:26 pm

        Did I read this wrong?

        • 197 heather November 29, 2011 at 7:55 pm

          Yes, I guess I misunderstood the article. Sorry for the confusion on my part.

        • 198 Jan November 29, 2011 at 8:04 pm

          Heather, Sen. Udall tried to put an amendment on this bill to protect good American Citizens and it was voted down.

          They argued giving the military priority could complicate investigations into terrorist suspects in the U.S., and said it opens the door to indefinite military detention of U.S. citizens.

          “We’re ignoring the advice and the input of the director of the FBI, the director of our intelligence community, the attorney general of the United States,” said Sen. Mark Udall, Colorado Democrat, who led the effort to block the compromise.

          So, if obat signs this and we are on the terrorist list at Homeland Security then the military can come get us.
          At least that is the way I read this bill.

  45. 199 heather November 29, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/libya-redux-france-and-al-qaeda-assist-free-syria-army-in-turkey.html

    can someone please enlighten me about al-qaeda? I thought that we were fighting against them and the war on terror was started by them. Isn’t it this group that our troops are taking out?

    Then why are France and the Muslinbrotherhood training them?


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