Democrats as Agents of Fraud

©2012 drkate

Misprision of Felony:

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. Title 18 U.S.C. § 4

Reporting on the Obama Ballot Challenges across the nation and in Arizona specifically, in each and every instance the Democrat Party has been served with summons’ and complaints by the various elector-plaintiffs who have challenged Obama’s right to be on their state’s ballot.  And in each and every state; in every town and city where the Democrats operate, they are actively perpetuating fraud upon the citizens of their state by falsely pushing Obama’s name  onto the ballot.

For the record, Obama is not a natural born citizen due to his father’s citizenship and foreign allegiance, and is at best a dual citizen; Obama has also failed to prove conclusively that he was born in the United States. Finally, Obama has failed to provide evidence of his repatriation to the United States or evidence of a legal name change after his adoption by an Indonesian citizen.  His legal identity as Barack Hussein Obama is what his hat-hangs on.

In 2008,

  • DNC Chair and Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi lied to each state by stating Obama was ‘constitutionally qualified’ for the position of president.
  • Obama himself knowingly falsely swore in Arizona to be a ‘natural born citizen’, affixing his personal signature to a document which was required for him to be on the 2008 ballot in Arizona.  Perjury or false swearing is recognized as a crime in Arizona and other states

The state of Arizona accepted as true the false sworn statements by Obama and thereafter placed his name on the ballots.  He was then elected President.  The voters in Arizona were directly defrauded by Obama’s false affirmations.

When Obama  swore he was eligible, he lied.  He didn’t swear that he might be eligible or that there was a good chance he would be found eligible.  He swore that he was – in fact – eligible. Obama’s certain affirmations under oath and penalty of perjury are false.  He could not have been certain and he should not have sworn that he was.   He’s guilty of false swearing despite whatever definition of natural-born citizen comes down the pike.

  • The Hawaii Democrat party went against its own rules and certified Obama as constitutionally eligible to appear on their ballot…a mysterious visit to Granny Dunham, her death, and the appointment of the HI Democrat Party Chair as Lt. Governor in 2010 followed.

Current DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman-Shultz promises to do the same to the American people–knowingly falsely certify Obama as constitutionally qualified for the party’s nomination.  Swimming in bribery money or drowning in threats to life and limb, all the democrats who work for Obama and place him on the ballot, produce and distribute literature on his behalf are committing a crime.

And they should be told about it.  Send them all a copy of Title 18 Section 4.  And advise them to quit their jobs before they are all finally ensnared in conspiracy to defraud along with the chief Obutt and his repulsive ‘wife’–herself no stranger to false ids and social security numbers…Guadelupe and Harrison Bonnel, anyone?

Oh how the Democrats scream and yell when they are served with legal papers summoning their presence in a lawsuit challenging their Obutt’s name on the ballot.  They run away, block your car from exiting the parking lot, or throw the papers on the floor.  But there is no way they–the Democrat party’s subdivisions, officers and employees– will be able to avoid criminal charges for their participation in one of the greatest thefts and scams in United States history, second only to the FED and the Sixteenth Amendment.

In Pima County, Arizona, plaintiff Ken Allen recently filed a ballot challenge pursuant to Arizona regulations.  The Democrat party was served, along with county officials and a status conference held on February 23, 2011.  The Judge in the case was ‘not certain’ he had jurisdiction but when presented with evidence that he had, quickly granted leave to the plaintiff to file an amended complaint by March 1, 2012.  The Democrat party, Pima County Attorney, Barack Hussein Obama, and others will be served and trial strategy is being planned.  Remember, Obama has already lied to Arizonans once before, and we know he will do it again if the Democrats are complicit in submitting fraudulent documentation to the Arizona Secretary of State.

In the meantime ballot challenges in Pennsylvania, Florida, California, Indiana, Alaska, Illinois, Georgia, and several other states are continuing.  In Georgia, plaintiff’s attorney has submitted a motion to suspend the Georgia primary election based on the egregious, arbitrary and capricious actions of Georgia’s SoS and “Judge” Malihi.  Don’t forget that Georgia got two nuclear plants in exchange for the Judge and State officials’ betrayal of their citizens.

151 Responses to “Democrats as Agents of Fraud”

  1. 1 drkate February 25, 2012 at 12:33 am

    Although I personally believe our entire effort to get our country back is in God’s hands, I strongly know we must create a record of resistance to tyranny.

    The longer the courts and democrats ignore this the worse it will be for them, and the more transparently anti-American they show themselves to be. Ignorance is not a pretty site.

    • 2 Andi February 25, 2012 at 10:48 am

      Wow! Thank you for standing up and exposing the truth. I am praying like never before, praying without ceasing that God will reveal the truth about this man and deliver us from evil!

    • 4 heather February 25, 2012 at 12:48 pm

      Very scarey situation they are putting us in–Syria and Iran and Israel in between–and Egypt and Lybia being controlled by the muslimbrotherhood? This is a set-up of epic proportions to say the least. All brought to us by barry and hillary and company.

      All I know is we must keep our eyes and ears open to this and not just dwell on the election–we all know we want RP but we cannot let them devert what their next evil false flag will be and when—NOV?–perhaps? hmmmm

  2. 5 drkate February 25, 2012 at 12:41 am

    Oh, lets not forget the Republicans who continue to ignore this issue

    • 6 Troy February 25, 2012 at 1:07 am

      …..and as much as i like and support the man, Ron Paul is a member of that list…..He really should go rogue and start discussing the constitutional meaning of NBC….It’s a legitimate talking point….He could leave the birth cert out of the conversation and do no harm to himself by discussing NBC.

      • 7 drkate February 25, 2012 at 1:09 am

        Agreed 100%. He among all of them has standing to discuss the constitution.

          • 9 Paul Camarco February 25, 2012 at 4:41 pm

            Unfortunately Ron Paul does. It get respect and support he deserves. The only person, on a national stage, who has the ethical and moral standing to question this country’s foreign policy and the beliefs of the standing politicians, is humor’d by the MSM. It is sad that country needing absolute change does not take seriously the only republican candidate that offers this change in national policy. Our loss.

      • 10 Stan Stanfield February 25, 2012 at 2:36 pm

        Troy: The thing about just “discussing NBC” is that TPTB can string that one out forever, with various legal points of view regarding it. What they can’t string out is the fraudulent BC that BHO has signed off on. So no, “the birth cert” very much needs to be in “the conversation”. He could always plead that he was advised that he was eligible under NBC, because of different takes on it; but he can’t wriggle out of a fraudulent document attempted to be passed of as a real one. That is a crime, pure and simple; and he is toast from that alone. Which then leads to the serious questions regarding his SSN; and…and……all leading to his true identity. Which will shock even some of his most ardent admirers, and leave them feeling that they have been had. As, indeed, they have been.

        Also: Indeed, Dr Kate, many Republicans are involved in this caper. He never would have been able to get to first base without their help. Why would the Repubs do that?? Besides many of them being in on the New World Order thing – and wanting to take down the Constitution anyway, since it is all that is standing in the way of their takeover of the country, and the melding of the U.S. into the NAU region of their Elites’ Empire – they could have wanted the Constitution to be compromised on this specific issue as well. In part for McCain (the true definition of NBC involves both jus soli and jus sanguinis – born of the soil and of the blood – and there is a chance that McCain was born in Panama City, not on the U.S. military base in the P Zone, which would have given him legal cover, as the equivalent of US. soil, like a diplomatic posting); but as well for any future Republican candidate who may not have the precise credentials for the job either. The election of Obama has paved that way to tyranny; has opened up that can of worms.

        And they are worms. And the chief ones of their unholy Order are vipers. And need to be sent hissing into the outer darkness, from whence they came. So keep up the good work, Dr Kate et al. It’s vitally important for all of this intrigue to be unmasked; for the next, positive steps to be taken by humanity. Not the negative ones being planned for it right now, by these lost souls who would think to be as gods.

        • 11 slcraig February 25, 2012 at 4:29 pm

          Well, actually you have the situation arranged backwards and the definition of NBC MUST be accepted and acknowledged as the “legal and Constitutional” definition in order for ANY documentation or circumstances to have ANY relevance.

          Understand that at the moment the eligibility Clause might just as well read; “…No person except a ? shall be eligible…..” insofar as ALL “local” State Laws are concerned and there is NO promulgated legislation by the Congress that “Codifies” the definition in the US Codes.

          It is apparent that the “left” has been working to make the original intent of the turn of words self-evident nature as ambiguous and obscure as they could, finding that they could not erase it all together.

          But by hook and crook they have stifled the various “controlling legal authorities’ from embracing the original intent meaning everywhere they do not have there useful idiots being entirely hostile to it.

          So without an accepted and acknowledged Constitutionally legal definition no amount of, or lack of, documentation has any relevance to the question of eligibility.

        • 12 heather February 25, 2012 at 4:54 pm

          Yes, you are right that he can always say he was a NBC–but Michelle interviewed in 07 and 08 with africanfreepress where she stipulated that there is no law that will not allow barry to be potus–period. So you see, they all did their homework well in advance and scoured the constitution and federal papers for anything that would pertain to NBC.

          So yes the BC and the fact that his father is kenyan and barry is no citizen of america is the real issue that should be pressed. He himself allowed his fake birth cert to be published for all the world to see–and he allowed his fathers name to show kenyan citizen.

          • 13 Tenacity February 27, 2012 at 8:48 am

            If the Editor in Chief was telling the truth. I give no credence to a liar that never follows through on anything he has said.

            The long and the short of getting out of this ambush is breaking the banking/taxing vortex and that requires SOUND MONEY. No redress of any other constitutional grievance is achievable until the vortex is broken. Now God can do whatever he chooses and he doesn’t need sound money to do it, but They* have used the control of our money and theft of our production to turn the pecking order upside down. I can keep God at the top of my pecking order regardless, but doing so in our society as a whole requires access to mass communication systems, honest elections and a judiciary serving the people. We don’t even have honest pulpits or an untainted education system. All of these institutions have been bought in one form or another and will continue to be as long as They* control our money. They* are killing us by way of every vital human need and using the fruit of our own production to buy our enslavement and genocide.

    • 14 Bob's Box February 25, 2012 at 5:08 am

      And of course Wall Street banksters along with Rothschild finances all this fraud in the name of the NEW WORLD ORDER.

    • 15 heather February 25, 2012 at 12:50 pm

      The republicans are doing nothing to stop any of this–and watch and see if that illegal healthcare bill is repealed–I doubt that it will be–they will find an excuse whereas it cant since it has ties with education, dept of defense and others.

  3. 16 jacqlynsmith February 25, 2012 at 1:08 am

    Sorry I posted this on the other thread before I saw the new one…..everyone needs to see this so I brought it over here too….

    WOW…watch this …..UNBELIEVABLE the lengths that FIX NEWS will go to in order to spread their CRAPOLLA……I applaud this veteran for telling Bolton the truth…..Bolton is a SCUMBAG NEO CON of the worst kind…..

    John Bolton Dodges Question; Insults Anti-War Veteran

    • 22 gfsomsel February 26, 2012 at 10:08 am

      So, Bolton may have gotten booed—so what? It’s the editor of the clip who is to blame in such a case, if it did occur and not Bolton. What Bolton said is absolutely correct. Do you really expect a group of students to support someone who supports any military action by the US? Since the 60’s students such as SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) and the Weather underground have typically opposed any US military action. Most of the students today are indoctrinated by left-wing radicals.

  4. 23 jacqlynsmith February 25, 2012 at 1:27 am

    Ron Paul must be winning for FIX NEWS to allow some truth to shine in…..UMMMM…enjoy everyone…

    Fox Focus Group Praise Ron Paul, Criticize Santorum

  5. 41 jacqlynsmith February 25, 2012 at 1:44 am

    March could be interesting…..

    Lehman Bros. Case: Geithner Ignores Subpoena to Testify | Print |
    Written by Bob Adelmann
    Monday, 20 February 2012 17:30

    Timothy GeithnerThe creditors’ committee representing what’s left of Lehman Brothers asked bankruptcy Judge James Peck last week to force Timothy Geithner (left) — currently Obama’s Treasury Secretary but President of the New York Fed at the time of the Lehman Brothers’ bankruptcy — to answer some questions. The original subpoena issued by the committee to Geithner to appear last August was ignored and so the committee appealed to Judge Peck.

    The committee claims that Geithner played a pivotal role in Lehman’s collapse and may have “unique” knowledge about a last-minute transfer of some $8 billion out of Lehman to JPMorgan just before that collapse. Lehman is suing JPMorgan in an attempt to get that money back and Geithner’s testimony is crucial. Time is running out: The discovery period for the committee ends on March 16.

    The committee claims that JPMorgan did a “last-second collateral grab” in order to save itself while inflicting fatal damage on Lehman at the same time. And Geithner was in on it. The week before the Lehman collapse Geithner made 35 phone calls to Lehman’s CEO Richard Fuld and another 10 calls to JPMorgan’s CEO Jamie Dimon, and at least some of those calls, said the committee, centered on those collateral demands. Therefore, the committee insists that Geithner should be required to reveal what those calls involved.

    Geithner has remained silent; however, a spokesman for the Treasury Department, Anthony Coley, said he couldn’t understand what all the fuss is about: “Treasury and the Fed have provided thousands of pages of documents and arranged for depositions of numerous other witnesses.” [Emphasis added.] In light of all that disclosure, Coley said, “it is unclear why the plaintiffs [Lehman’s committee] continue to insist on unnecessary depositions.”

    Geithner has been less than forthcoming on previous occasions as well. In January 2010 Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) released a series of emails between American International Group (AIG) and the New York Fed in which the Fed urged AIG not to disclose the full details of bailouts to various banks which AIG insured using derivatives. At the time, AIG’s credit swaps insured half of the western world’s banking system. When those derivatives failed, the banks and AIG were bailed out with taxpayer funds. Geithner was in charge at the New York Fed while this was going on. When Geithner was finally forced to testify in that case, he defended those payouts and denied any attempt to withhold information. His testimony was greeted with disdain, skepticism, and anger by members of the House Oversight Committee who heard it.

    If Geithner is forced to testify, it could further confirm the high-level corruption and self-dealing that surrounded the Lehman collapse and remind taxpayers of how such manipulations have cost them billions. In light of the March 16 deadline, it is clear to observers that his strategy is to lie low and keep quiet. As Graham Summers, writing at ZeroHedge, put it, “The only reason this process hasn’t already reached a fever pitch is because the benefits of not talking for most of those who were in on the corruption still outweigh the consequences…” [Emphasis in original.]

    With Geithner’s announcement that he won’t stick around for another term if Obama is reelected, it seems possible, if not probable, that by waiting out the clock he will escape unscathed into oblivion. On the other hand, if he is forced to testify, and his testimony does show the suspected back-room dealings involved in saving JPMorgan at Lehman’s expense, then the lid so tightly fastened on the investigation to date will be removed. If that happens, says Gary North, “the public will find out about the nature of crony capitalism [and] the voters’ trust in the existing system will disappear.”

  6. 42 jacqlynsmith February 25, 2012 at 1:46 am

    I can’t believe anyone thinks the PUBLIC still trusts this system…..maybe the UNINFORMED and IGNORANT but PLEASE…..I think many are awake now and are more than ready for the arrests to begin!

  7. 43 jane February 25, 2012 at 3:43 am

    I am almost a senior citizen and NEVER in my lifetime have I been so sickened by all that is happening throughout this late great country.

    Dr Kate, you are sooo right! Only GOD can fix this mess and it’s in HIS hands!

    Everytime I hear a political hack, newsperson, candidate, etc., I just want to get sick to my stomach.

    So much evil staring us in the face…boy are we being tested.

    When I try to talk to friends about what is REALLY going on, I get this blank look…do others?????

    • 44 bill February 25, 2012 at 5:56 am

      Yes Jane,I understand exactly,what you are saying and I agree.The only option I
      can see is written in 2nd Chronicles 7:14 . I have made available reams of facts and information to 35 folks I actually know and how many folks do you think DLed and read them ? Absolutely NONE.I base this opinion on the fact that the “download counter” never came off ZERO.So the only option I can see is to ask a question with brevity or terseness like “I wonder why Barack Obama refuses to
      allow anyone to see his records ? ” This may or may not enjoin their interest,but at
      least their eyes will not glaze over and they won’t hunt an
      “EXIT” sign.So in my opinion,don’t worry,Let Go and Let God and this will only be,if enough folks ask. ! cheers

    • 45 Chance February 25, 2012 at 8:24 am

      Yes Jane. They don’t want to hear it at least for a while. Now they are beginning to see what Obama is doing and they are starting to “get it”.

    • 46 heather February 25, 2012 at 5:06 pm

      Yes Jane, I generally get those looks too–and have but guess what its up to them to wake up and smell the roses–all we can do is push them in the direction with FACTS–and we have plenty of facts and plenty of conservative media blogs for them to read and understand the truth.

      Dr Kates is the first and foremost of all of them–there are more facts and truths on here than anywhere. Just jive them this website and others. They will turn around–or most will.

      As far as age goes, I am with you and will be part of the group that is headed for the screw job and the illegal HC bill–which must be repealed.

  8. 47 Warren February 25, 2012 at 7:00 am

    Greetings all,
    Do we have a sense of what will be announced on Thursday ? I believe March 1st is the date Sheriff Joe Arpaio will share the conclusions of his investigation. I noticed that WND is going to “live-stream” the event, so it would seem they are confident of dramatic findings. Will the MSM actually cover the news conference ? This has the potential to shake up the status quo in a very “constitutional way”. I was wondering if anyone at Dr. Kate’s had some inside scoop or hunches. The Sheriff has so much integrity and courage, I cannot imagine he would back down. But, frankly, I’ve been surprised before.

  9. 49 slcraignbc February 25, 2012 at 7:49 am

    I remain a bit outraged that each of these various “venues, forums and jurisdictional bodies” feel it unnecessary to include the Statutory Construction of the Constitutional expression of POTUS eligibility while constraining their deliberations to unresponsive “local” laws, rules and regulations” that are WHOLLY incomplete and incompetent in regard to the needs of the Article II Section I Clause V “exclusionary prerequisite imperative requirement” that NO person EXCEPT a natural born Citizen SHALL be ELIGIBLE……….what part of THAT statute is not worthy of deliberations on the merits of any given persons being in conformity with its needs…?

  10. 50 bill February 25, 2012 at 8:45 am

    I won’t count my chickens,before they hatch either,Chance.What I find even more
    confusing is the Judge down in Georgia issued a supoena for Obama and Attorney
    to show up and neither did and then Judge Malihi seems to have given them a free pass ? So much for our judicial system !

  11. 52 Tiger 7 February 25, 2012 at 9:21 am

    Yes, Jane, the blank stares and the total lack of reality is maddening—normally reasonable and intelligent folks that I know don’t want to believe anything bad. The unbelievably terrible fraud–frauds–being played out are so truely unbelievable that most people indeed refuse to believe them. That’s part of the plan—make it so bad that few will believe what you are doing.
    Time is approaching when some of these “it can’t be that bad” folks will realize that “yes, it really is that damn bad”.

    • 53 Ann February 25, 2012 at 9:59 am

      Agree with you on this one. I never knew our population was so dumbed-down until I myself woke up. It’s been quite enlightening and scary at the same time. As long as the sheeple’s schedule of mindless TV, movie going, celebrity worship doesn’t get interrupted, they don’t want to hear it. They think you’re obsessed with political-minded dribble. I hope we don’t have the chance to say “I told you so” but I’m afraid we will.

  12. 54 Warren February 25, 2012 at 9:26 am

    I’m not sure what has surprised me more over the last few years while this issue has come to the fore, the contented passive ignorance of the masses, the complete lack of discernment in recognizing the threat, or the breadth and depth of corruption in those societal entities charged with and who voluntarily swore an oath to protect the U.S. Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

    It has been utterly mind-bending.

    The nature of the change in American hearts and allegiances has been so pervasive and complete that it’s almost as if we’ve entered the script of a science fiction movie.

    Those who do not believe in the spiritual or the supernatural, and who can still think somewhat rationally must be rethinking their position.

    The corruptive nature of the tax exemption for church donations has rendered the clergy neutered. The once noble “call” to enter the ministry and preach the entirety of God’s Word has been soiled by political correctness, concerns of maintaining the financial viability of the organization by not offending members and certainly staying well away from topics of social/political relevance. Just last Sunday, I actually heard a pastor, in what is considered (by some) a “conservative Bible believing” church, describe “politics” as a “distraction” from what should be a Christian’s focus. Listening to such “insight” in a sermon, I couldn’t help but note the irony in that it was “President’s Weekend”. Thank God and His Patriots that George Washington didn’t regard the formation of a new nation a distraction from his “proper focus”.

  13. 55 Charlie Resseguie February 25, 2012 at 10:11 am

    Friends, with all the tyrannical things happening all thru our country’s
    political scene,the best thing we can do is “trust in the Lord”.
    As a tea party coordinator in central N.Y. state I would advise us all to get behind these obama ballot challenges they will hit paydirt eventually!
    drkate,thank you for your insight and persistence

  14. 56 Jan February 25, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Okay, how do we find who these governors were that met with obat?

    President Obama met with a group of Democratic governors on Friday and discussed plans to work around Congress toward policy goals.
    Gov. Jack Markell, the Democratic governor of Delaware and the vice chairman of the National Governors Association, told The Hill that the meeting was “very good” and said many of the governors were responsive to ideas about bypassing Congress.
    “There was a sense that none of us should wait, we can’t wait for things to happen in Congress,” Markell said of the meeting. “We’re going to do what we can do [now].”
    Obama has positioned himself against Congress as he runs for reelection, arguing lawmakers are failing to solve the country’s problems. “Where Congress won’t act, I will,” he said in October when rolling out a series of executive orders aimed at creating jobs.

  15. 63 uguesswhat February 25, 2012 at 12:22 pm

    Stadtmiller interview with Judge Napolitano,

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  16. 64 Charles S. Imwold February 25, 2012 at 1:10 pm

    If anyone think that this is over because a few challenges have gone the fraud obama’s way then they are sadly mistaken . There will be a court and a judge that will honor the US Constitution and deny the fraud obama the right to be on their state’s ballot and when that happens a number of states will fellow suit . The truth is coming out and the lame stream media can no longer deny the fact that We The People have a fraud and a criminal sitting in the White House going by the name of Barack Hussein Obama using a stolen social security number .

    • 65 Charlie Resseguie February 26, 2012 at 6:39 am

      The comment about the fact that there will be a ballot challenge against the usurper THAT WILL BE EFFECTIVE, is very true. Please let’s all pray that it will be soon,thank you all for being the patriots you are, Charlie

  17. 66 jane February 25, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    Yes and NC GUVVVVVVVVVVVV, Bev Purdue met w/O and she isn’t even running for reelection so go figure.

    Guess she is one of his pets for martial law……as stated by another site.

    No one likes her in this state except IDIOTS.

  18. 67 Quantum Leap February 25, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    The latest RP ad. Was it posted here yet? Check Wyoming. They are voting over a couple weeks now. RP is campaigning in MI to business leaders and the like. Paul has been endorsed by Many states congressmen but you won’t here it on the fixed news.

  19. 71 Quantum Leap February 25, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    I know this was posted a while back but I love it. RP Can beat obama. No doubt about it!

  20. 72 Quantum Leap February 25, 2012 at 2:18 pm

    I do not smoke it BUT.

  21. 74 Quantum Leap February 25, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    This is for the illuminati and the the other criminals in power over the world. Take Heed. Soros?

    • 75 Tenacity February 25, 2012 at 4:38 pm

      QL, I appreciate what the gentleman in this video was trying to do. Unfortunately, every person that has made this representation in my presence has never been able to show me in the Bible where the word of God says what he said. The Scripture does not say that a man can say that prayer and immediately become a child of God (assuming that term is intended to mean a saved member of Christ’s church whose name is written in the book of life). I will also admit that my vision of hell and Heaven are quite different from what he stated and neither does the picture he painted conform to those I have personally spoken with that claim to have had that experience. It is my humble belief that telling people what this man has said can and has left many lost that have accept such a statement. We must not make up our own gospel. We must not water down the gospel of Yeshua the Christ. We must rely upon the Word of God and what It teaches us. If anyone wants to know more or is unable to discern the Word for themselves, then advise Dr. Kate to give me your contact information and I will be happy to communicate with you and provide additional information or answer your questions confidentially.

      • 76 Troy February 25, 2012 at 10:13 pm

        I believe that the Home of God / Heaven is uniform and consistent for all fortunate enough to dwell there, but Hell for the less fortunate would differ for each lost soul….In other words, it would not be uniform and consistent, but instead would be tailored misery to each individual…..I guess each unclean and sinful lifestyle would shape and mold it’s own hellish experience.

        For example, if I’m judged at my dying and found wanting and then condemned to hell, I fear that my hell would be to be reincarnated and forced to do mortal life all over again on this earth with all it’s sin….The thought of having to do that disgusts me….I would like to think that I have earned a place in God’s heaven and look forward to that new life reward…..I don’t pursue death, but I have no problem looking at that day as possibly the best day of my life…..How’s that last statement for an oxymoron? 😉 😆

        • 77 Tenacity February 25, 2012 at 10:58 pm

          Say Troy, I trust we will be seeing each other on the other side. Most ideas about hell are not from Scripture. The Bible speaks of a second death which I perceive to be a death of the spirit. There is eternal life for those who accept the Christ, God’s Son, as their personal savior. There is the absence of eternal life for those who do not. There is mention of a lake of fire. If all that exists is sustained by God, then the absence of God would leave one with nothing but self without the ability to sustain anything. To me, being left with nothing but self is truly frightening and hell enough. Suffering the second death would be merciful in comparison. Heaven on the other hand I envision as beyond the human imagination. I perceive a great exploration of relationship…a perfected spirit/body that reveals the unique identity and name that Yeshua will bless each of us with. An existence truly outside of ourselves, realizing God’s ultimate purpose for each of us without the toil, pain and confusion we now face.

          • 78 Troy February 25, 2012 at 11:17 pm

            The Bible speaks of a second death which I perceive to be a death of the spirit.
            Wow!….Now, that is truly frightening since our spirit life is all we have left after departing our broken down bodies and our spirit life is the only one we will ever know that has the potential for perfection….Our mortal lives certainly do not as they are full of sin and imperfection….Yikes!

            • 79 Tenacity February 26, 2012 at 1:03 am

              2:11 Let him that hath an ear, hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches. He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

              20:6 Blessed and holy is he, that hath part in the first resurrection; for on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be the Priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
              7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
              8 And shall go out to deceive the people, which are in the four quarters of the earth, even Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
              9 And they went up into the plain of the earth, and they compassed the tents of the Saints about, and the beloved city, but fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
              10 And the devil that deceived them, was cast into a lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented even day and night for evermore.
              11 And I saw a great white throne, and one that sat on it, from whose face fled away both the earth and heaven, and their place was no more found.
              12 And I saw the dead, both great and small stand before God, and the books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the book of life, and the dead were judged of those things, which were written in the books, according to their works.
              13 And the sea gave up her dead, which were in her, and death and hell delivered up the dead, which were in them; and they were judged every man according to their works.
              14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
              15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life, was cast into the lake of fire.

              21:1 And I saw a new heaven, and a new earth; for the first heaven, and the first earth were passed away, and there was no more sea.
              2 And I John saw the holy city new Jerusalem come down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride trimmed for her husband.
              3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be their God with them.
              4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, neither crying, neither shall there be anymore pain; for the first things are passed.
              5 And he that sat upon the throne, said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write, for these words are faithful and true.
              6 And he said unto me, It is done, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to him that is athirst, of the well of the water of life freely.
              7 He that overcometh, shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
              8 But the fearful and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

              Everyone is subject to the death of our mortal physical body (first death), but only those not in Christ are subject to the second death (spiritual body). Note that death and hell deliver up the dead to be judged and suffer the second death. In many cases this translation misleads the reader. In the New Testament “hell” is the translation of two words, Hades and Gehenna . The word Hades , like Sheol sometimes means merely “the grave,” (Acts 2:31; 1 Corinthians 15:55; Revelation 20:13) or in general “the unseen world.” It is in this sense that the creeds say of our Lord, “He went down into hell,” meaning the state of the dead in general, without any restriction of happiness or misery.

    • 80 Paula February 25, 2012 at 8:08 pm

      The Word of God is all one needs in order to know what hell or heaven is like. I don’t believe these people who wrote those books actually died and went to heaven or hell, but I do believe they have overactive imaginations or encountered some type of “trip.” None of that (visiting heaven or hell) is scriptural. Who can improve upon God’s very words to us for salvation or about what we need to know about heaven or hell? Not a single soul.

      And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment~Heb. 9:27

      Sadly, the man ignorantly gave a false gospel. There is nothing one needs to pray or do in order to be saved. All they have to do is believe/trust that Christ has paid their sin debt and already forgiven them. It is a done deal by the Lord Jesus Christ; He paid it all, and it is a free gift that noone can earn!

      • 81 Tenacity February 26, 2012 at 1:41 am

        Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came, and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me, in heaven, and in earth.
        19 Go therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the holy Ghost,
        20 Teaching them to observe all things, whatsoever I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you alway, until the end of the world, Amen.

        John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
        4 Nicodemus said unto him, How can a man be born which is old? Can he enter into his mother’s womb again, and be born?
        5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily I say unto thee, except that a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

        Romans 6:2 How shall we, that are dead to sin, live yet therein?
        3 Know ye not, that all we which have been baptized into Jesus Christ, have been baptized into his death?
        4 We are buried then with him by baptism into his death, that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, so we also should walk in newness of life.

        Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the Law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be made righteous by faith.
        25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
        26 For ye are all the sons of God by faith, in Christ Jesus.
        27 For all ye that are baptized into Christ, have put on Christ.
        28 There is neither Jew nor Grecian, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
        29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs by promise.

        • 82 Tenacity February 26, 2012 at 1:47 am

          Acts 2:37 Now when they heard it, they were pricked in their hearts, and said unto Peter and the other Apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
          38 Then Peter said unto them, Amend your lives, and be baptized every one of you in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the holy Ghost.
          39 For the promise is made unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
          40 And with many other words he besought and exhorted them, saying, Save yourselves from this froward generation.
          41 Then they that gladly received his word, were baptized; and the same day there were added to the Church about three thousand souls.

          • 83 Paula February 26, 2012 at 8:09 am

            In Acts 2, we have Peter, an Apostle to the nation of Israel, speaking to the nation of Israel convicting them of their crime of crucifying the Lord of glory; once again, a matter of rightly dividing the word of truth or else you end up with unsound doctrine as you’ve published in your post. Peter was not glorying in the cross of Christ as our Apostle Paul does and Israel’s baptism was both physical (water) and spiritual.

            I’m amazed that you stopped at verse 41 and ignored the next few verses. If you’re following the baptism you showed in your post in Acts 2:37-41, to exclude verses 42-45 is typical of the religious establishment in order to say that selling ones possessions and having all in things in common is not for us today (here we have a form of socialism that comes from failing to rightly divide the word of truth). We were in that same religious establishment and things just like this did not make sense. As soon as the Lord’s light shined, understanding of right division followed.

            Acts 2:44-45~And all that believed were together, and had all things common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

            The baptism for the body of Christ is not physical, but spiritual; one Lord, one faith, one baptism. The Holy Spirit does the baptizing of believers (those who believe they are justified by Christ’s payment for their sin and believe they have forgiveness of sin through his death, burial and resurrection) into the one body of Christ, and it is not something you see or feel, for we walk by faith and not by sight.

            1 Cor. 12:13~For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

            • 84 Tenacity February 26, 2012 at 10:25 pm

              Paula, I ignored no scripture. It is the dispensationalists that treat the Scriptures as a menu to be ‘divided’ by their own wisdom. I was merely demonstrating that there were some things we fallen humans must ‘do’ by and in faith…not our works, but God’s. I was allowing the Word of God to speak to that without protracting the comment. The question is how can you leave any of it out? I find your comments pompous and preconceived. Let the Word speak for itself and bind your prejudice. You have proven your own statement false. Was the baptism of Christ himself not both physical and spiritual? Was His death, burial and resurrection only a spriritual event? How does one dehumanize without an outward expression? I suppose Naaman’s cleansing really did not require that he dip 7 times. I suppose that it was unnecessary to march around Jericho to bring that wall down. The serpents would have stopped biting the Israelites had they just thought about looking at the staff? Unfortunately, Scripture reveals what God wants it to reveal and no preconceived notions will change that…Thank God! You may imagine what you will, but I only care that those seeking truth rely upon their own investigation of the Word and not get trapped in the teachings of men.

              • 85 Paula February 27, 2012 at 5:50 am

                Unfortunately, alot of suberterfuge in this response and never addressing the scriptures I point out to address the false doctrines that are posted. We had to leave all the churches we were in due to the teachings of men, and they come about by (what was not addressed in your last response), not studying the scriptures rightly divided. Once, again, your pointing out things which God was doing with Israel, called signs and wonders. They walked by sight (signs and wonders); the BOC walks by faith, not by sight (no signs and no wonders). So, anything you can see with regard to our salvation is not of God, i.e. baptism in water, speaking in tongues, healings, miracles, fire from heaven, marching around walls, biting serpents, etc, etc.

                Why not address my very valid question as to why religion wants to quote a baptism in Acts 2 which is where people get the idea of socialism, today (just ask Barrack Obama, he’ll agree), but not the next few verses which WERE left out, because they go together in order to get the context.

                We can’t just pick and choose which verses of scripture we want to follow. Context is key, and I know you are a very intelligent man, Mr. Tenacity, so I ask why you do not follow the rules of context and ask within in any given text: who, what, where, when, why, and how when it comes to studying holy Scripture; if one is honest, I’m sure one could see that it is because one doesn’t want to let go of their preconceived ideas about God’s Word and teachings of men, which is exactly what you get when you fail to obey God’s word to study and rightly divide the word of truth.

                It is not my own wisdom, but the Lord Jesus Christ’s revelation of the Mystery given to the Apostle Paul whom you choose to ignore.

                “…there were some things we fallen humans must ‘do’ by and in faith…not our works, but God’s.”

                Your statment brings contradiction, because water baptism is our work according to the gospel that is TO us and for us, today; ONE baptism BY the Holy Spirit INTO the Body of Christ is the only baptism we engage in and it is His work, according to the Lord’s spokesman for Him, the Apostle Paul: For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect~1 Cor. 1:17.

                The gospel and our doctrine that the Lord Jesus Christ has for us today is so simple and plain as day for those who WANT the truth of God, but those who want to somehow help God out and pay something back cannot ever grasp the free gift that He alone has procured for our salvation.

                Doctrine is everything to the Lord, and that is why satan comes along to bring about the confusion as to what the Lord has for us, today. satan has created the blindness to the truth through deceptions using the Word of God. Satan does not want anyone to find out that God spoke to the Apostle Paul, last, to fulfil the word of God, and it is from him that we are to get our knowledge, wisdom, and understanding, because the Lord appeared to him, and saved him by His grace, and revealed new information to Paul that had never been revealed in the Scriptures, previously; that is why the Lord calls it, the Mystery.

                Study is key. Right division is key. Commands from the Lord Himself.

                • 86 Paula February 28, 2012 at 6:50 am

                  From my post above: “Doctrine is everything to the Lord, and that is why Satan comes along to bring about the confusion as to what the Lord has for us, today. Satan has created the blindness to the truth through deceptions using the Word of God.”

                  This has always been satan’s modus operandi, and the Lord shows us this during His earthly ministry with the Pharisees and Sadducees; it is the same way he operates within the BOC, today.

                  2 Cor. 11:14-15~And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

                  Ministers of righteousness telling us that we have to follow Israel’s law, which included some 600+ laws, but they only pick and choose out of those 600+ as it suits their tyrannical needs, i.e., tithing, water baptism, Sabbath observing, be at church every time the door opens or you’re not serving God, women with long hair past shoulders, women only wearing skirts or dresses, etc., etc. Sickening hypocrisy is what I call it, because they don’t and can’t follow Israel’s law themselves! But question these preachers of righteousness on it, and whoa, see what reactions you get:o(

                  Pertinent to this discussion:

              • 87 Paula February 28, 2012 at 7:10 am

                Lest one be thrown off by the name-calling and labeling without addressing the content of the message using the Scriptures rightly divided, here is a good summation of what dispensational Bible study is.


                By the way, dispensation is not a scary word, as satan would make it out to be, because God himself uses it in the letters He had the Apostle Paul write:

                1 Cor. 9:17: For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a DISPENSATION of the gospel is committed unto me.

                Eph. 1:10: That in the DISPENSATION of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

                Eph. 3:2-5: If ye have heard of the DISPENSATION of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

                Col. 1:25: Whereof I am made a minister, according to the DISPENSATION of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

                Satan’s MO has always been, yea, hath God said; adding to His word, taking away from His word, and twisting His word.

                • 88 slcraignbc February 28, 2012 at 10:33 am

                  Well, I must add to the sites calculation of 38,000-plus denominations in Christendom with a plus 1 as I practice within my own Chruch of;

                  “For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud ……….and that they all passed through the sea………. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. …………… They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ…………. (1 Corinthians 10:1-4), et seq

        • 89 Paula February 26, 2012 at 7:29 am

          I appreciate and believe all those scriptures, but where the confusion comes from, regarding the gospel for today, is failure to rightly divide the word of truth. Our gospel comes only from the pen of the Apostle Paul in this dispensation of the grace of God, for he was the Apostle that was given the Mystery, which was hid in God, and was made known in due time; he was the FIRST member of the body of Christ which is still being formed for the heavenly places. Paul is THE Apostle to the gentiles, of the which the Jews are now included, because God is not dealing with their nation at this time in history (study Romans 9-11)

          1 Tim. 1:16~Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me FIRST Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should HEREAFTER believe on him to life everlasting.

          If you seriously study out what Paul says versus what the Lord Jesus and the other Apostles taught the Jewish nation, you have serious conflict, which is what satan desires in order to keep lost men lost, and saved men unable to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord, speaking the truth in love.

          For the Lord has told the BOC (through revelation given to the Apostle Paul concerning the Mystery), that we are not to follow the doctrine that the Lord Jesus Christ gave to Israel while He was in the flesh on this earth, that we no longer know Him after the flesh. The Apostle Paul did not preach Jesus Christ according to His earthly ministry to the nation of Israel.

          2 Cor. 5:16~Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

          John 3:3 is the Lord Jesus speaking to a religious leader in Israel, not to the Gentiles. It is Israel that needs to be born again—not the Body of Christ. It was Israel that was first born of God the first time, when He brought them out of Egypt. That was their physical birth as a nation. The Lord tells Nicodemus that his nation must be born “again”….this time not physically, but spiritually.

          Notice the Lord says, “thee,” singular, meaning Nicodemus; whereas “ye,” plural, refers to the entire nation as must needs be born again. (It is noteworthy to point out only the Authorized Version from the Majority Text makes this distinction. All of the other modern versions (Minority Texts) muddy up this doctrine to the point pulpits have proclaimed that we gentiles must be born again. No wonder there is so much confusion in Christendom.)

          This is why John came baptizing them—to cleanse them so that they could be anointed with the Spirit of God! The issue of “born again” has to do with them getting the Spirit (eternal life)…fulfilled fully in the kingdom (that National Day of Atonement) and will not happen until the end of Jacob’s trouble, a.k.a., the Tribulation period, the wrath of God, and the Day of the Lord.

          The Apostle Paul never tells us that we must be born-again, but uses the terms new creature, being transformed by the renewing of our minds via sound doctrine, being renewed in the spirit of our minds.

          In Romans 6:4, notice a key word…should. Even so we also SHOULD walk in newness of life. I agree with the Lord, we should, but not all of the members of His body do this, and those members will have a loss of reward at the judgment seat of Christ. That newness of life is after the Spirit and not after the flesh, even the religious, carnal flesh that seeks to add something to their salvation by doing works that belong to Israel’s prophetic program.

          • 90 slcraig February 26, 2012 at 11:38 am

            Thank you all for discussing the Foundations of Christ’s Earthly and Heavenly Church, whose earthly institutions may in time be found to have been co-opted by the Anti-Christ.

            I believe that God’s seed is within all of His Creation and we that He calls mankind have been greatly blessed and put above all else. I believe that each is called in God’s own time, with some heeding the call and others rejecting it. Those following God’s Will in time arrive to the Body of Christ and all the Blessings of His Life and Death.

            Then there are the others remaining.

            This life, this world is the dimension where Righteousness and Evil battle at the extremes each Force attempting to preserve its own existence least total annihilation of both occurs.. We fight that battle in the micro within our own thoughts and heart and in the macro as we build our families, societies and nations often unaware of which side our neighbor may be on.

            It is only by imagination and instincts that one learns from history with the ‘differing’ truth’s coming to light dependent upon the Master being served.

            I have NO DOUBT that our Founding Fathers would agree in general to this view of the nature of the world, to the extent that in large measure the Constitution was written in respect to such a reality in the hopes of constraining the evil that men do by written Law and wish that the better angels be unleashed by the Laws written on their hearts and souls.

            So it has been, in a good measure, for these several generations.

            But now, the jealousies of Evil is afoot.

            The Good News is that the Righteous of Love will prevail on Earth as it is in Heaven, the Bad News is for those who chose the other Path that is leading them to the Rewards of Evil, is the place where neither Righteousness nor Love is to be found.

            Point is, just KNOW, it is by Faith that we are saved and IN Faith, we are preserved.

            Matthew 10:34-36, quoting Micah 7:6:

            Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to “set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.” And “a man’s foes will be those of his own household.”

            The battle begins in our own heart and thoughts and according to the path our faith leads us individually we join the battle against Evil in ever widening circles.

            We can not sing the praises of Patriotism until we have a firm understanding of what made/makes it Praise worthy.

            • 91 Tenacity February 26, 2012 at 10:41 pm

              slcraig, so many misunderstand about the faith system. Considerations of works have been so divisive…one says something is a work and thus not important and another says something is important because it is a work. Both are wrong. Everything God instructs us to do is part of a ‘faith system’. Salvation is accomplished wholly by God’s work and not ours, but God’s ordained expressions of faith are vitally important, especially when it comes to coming in contact with the redeeming blood of His Son. We are told that it is of Water and of Spirit…that being that the water is something other than spirit. We are to participate in His death, burial and resurrection. These are physical acts and serve a purpose for us, just like observing the Sabbath is for us. We obey in faith and God works.

  22. 92 no-nonsense-nancy February 25, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    I have been visiting my daughter and her family for almost a week. They are my worst obotts. They haven’t watched any news all week, but several tee vee shows and Jon Stewart and Corbert. Such propaganda! I could hardly stand it!
    And they STILL don’t get natural born citizen, even though I have explained it so many times!
    The minute I came the other day my 6 year old garanddaughter said to me,
    ” Grandma, why don’t you like Barack Obama?” My daughtear said, “don’t go there”.
    I worry about all ;of them if and when things really go down bad but there isn’t anything I can do to stop it. They are blind and deaf.

    • 93 cedartree February 25, 2012 at 4:04 pm

      turn the tables on them–
      ask them if they value human rights?
      “why yes! of course we do!”
      Then why do you trash the greatest human rights document in human history, the Constitution and Bill of Rights?
      “uh we don’t”
      Then ask them how they can respect a document they don’t respect?
      Tell them about Marbury v. Madison, that everything in the Constitution counts. Ask them to differentiate between a US Citizen and a natural born citizen.

      they will say “a natural born citizen is born in the USA” and you will say “so is a statutory US citizen sometimes, so what’s the difference?”
      They will say that all people born in the USA are US Citizens and you will say “some people born outside of the USA with 1 or 2 US Citizen parents are also born US citizens, and the requirement to be president is to be a natural born citizen, so what is the difference?”

      They will then panic and say, “uh uh, but Obama had an American mother” and you will say “so does a statutory US Citizen sometimes, So, what’s the difference?”

      The only arrangement that is non-statutory, i.e. a natural born citizen, is 2 US Citizen parents born on US soil. And THAT respects the constitution, none other.

      • 94 slcraig February 25, 2012 at 5:38 pm

        “The only arrangement that is non-statutory, i.e. a natural born citizen, is 2 US Citizen parents born on US soil. And THAT respects the constitution, none other”

        But that is only true if you do not accept that the Constitution is Statutory in Construction as Opined by Justice Jay in Marbury v Madison.

        Upon adoption the Constitution only considered those persons that were Citizens of the several States as existed under the Articles of Confederation, these were those referred to in the Grandfather Clause of A2S1C5 and in Article IV Full Faith and Credit Clause.

        But to prove that “our” understanding of NBC is correct and was/is Statutory by virtue of is usage within the Constitutionone only need turn to the 1790 “an Act to make an uniform Rule on naturalization”; “….And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be CONSIDERED AS natural born Citizens:….”

        Two (2) considerations informs us of the Constitutional Statutory nature of the definition; 1] It would be impossible to CONSIDER such a childs birth circumstances “as if” an NBC if the counter part of being born within the limits of the U.S. did not exist; 2] The Repeal of the 1790 Act by the 1795 Congress did not Amend the need for the continued existence of NBC’s.

        Given that at the time ONLY the fathers Citizenship was at issue insofar as a child was ‘concerned’, ALL children born to a Citizen father / husband born within the limits of the US or without were NBC’s between the period of 1790 and 1795 and after Repeal only when born within the limits of the US.

        • 95 cedartree February 25, 2012 at 10:04 pm

          A NBC has zero other choice as to citizenship.
          They are and can only possibly be a NBC.

          And the Civil Rights Act of 1866 is still constitutionally valid and on the books. The founders’ intent was anyone with a foreign citizenship was never a natural born citizen.

    • 96 Stock February 26, 2012 at 9:07 am

      Show them the the video from the Public Radio station WBEZ-FM interview of Obama from 2001-that just might answer all of their questions.

  23. 97 Tenacity February 25, 2012 at 4:04 pm

    several years ago, I started speaking to groups of people. The first thing I had to remind myself of was that people don’t want to be told anything until they first believe you are listening to them. Over the years, I have conducted sales training courses for new sales people. We always taught them to use the “power of questions”. I now much prefer speaking to smaller groups in a more intimate setting, kinda like the focus groups in the above videos. It allows me to get them to first express their concerns. I can then start the discussion with them where they are at in their thinking. Once I know their concerns, then I can use additional questions to guide them in their thinking. After they are engaged, I start slipping in some suggestions and asking them how I can best inform them on topics that most interest them. It is tremendously more effective than when I have rushed to try to “tell” them something. Just my 2 cents worth.

    Frankly, this is the method I used most effectively back in the 90s when I would go and speak to church groups as a Promise Keeper Ambassador. Engage them with questions until they are fully engaged in the conversation and the people are much more receptive to unfamiliar concepts.

  24. 100 heather February 25, 2012 at 4:46 pm

    And now these democrat governors are just as guilty as barry………now is when the military should arrest them all including the him.

    • 102 slcraignbc February 25, 2012 at 7:55 pm

      Or, here’s another perspective, given that RP has always been an Idependent until this particular election cycle, maybe he’s trying to steal the Repub nomination from other candidates that have always been career Repub’s…?….

      ….and then extrapolated one would have to consider if he is a spoiler plant meant to divide the Repub Vote……..

      …..I know that’s a stretch and will infuriate many RP supporters, but the fact is he never had a chance to pull off the Repub nomination comming in as an Independent carpet bagger and was destined to be scoffed at by the Repub Establishment in the same manner Sarha P was treated by the same…….

      ……..after all, the Repub establishment are RINO’s for the most part infiltrated by Marxist-lite usefull idiots wraped in the flag, tott’n guns and Bibles…….

      • 103 Troy February 25, 2012 at 8:01 pm

        ….and then extrapolated one would have to consider if he is a spoiler plant meant to divide the Repub Vote……..
        How in the world can he split the Repub vote when only one Repub will be running against the usurper?…..That doesn’t make any sense…..RP has made no mention of running on a third party ticket.

  25. 104 Kevin S, DVM February 25, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    OT Survival outdoors

  26. 107 Tenacity February 26, 2012 at 12:02 am

    I am posting this video to get your feedback.
    Although there is a lot of truth in it, I question how far it goes on some points. A few years ago, I would have rejected some if not most of this summarily. I believe there may be an unholy esoteric agenda involved. Some have suggested that it is intended to bring about the rioting that OWS has thus far failed to stimulate. What do you believe the goal of this video is? What do you disagree with? What good principles does it demonize or ignore the good in? Can you accept these representations in whole? You have heard me speak of red, white & blue fever. Does this video go too far with that thought?

    • 108 slcraignbc February 26, 2012 at 7:19 am

      OMG, what a bunch of revisionist propaganda…….”Let your life be a friction against the machine..!!!”……sounds like the words of a Mullah training suicide bombers…….

      ….American MYTH.???..!!!

      Notice not a single word honoring the precepts of natural law, the Laws of Nature and Natures God……unalienable Rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness……notice the feel good musical score accompanying the Rise of Communism in post war Russia…….all of the Madison Ave. principles to sell useful idiots on the benefits of being socialist slaves…….

      ……I would tear the entire structure of the propaganda to pieces bit by bit….starting with the LIES that the Pilgrims and founding Fathers were evil in their relations with the indigenous natives, “American Indians”……but the ENTIRE diatribe of the presentation is sooooo filled with AGENDA that it serves no purpose for me to discredit it…….

      ….anyone who would find cause to agree with any part of its propositions is probably already lost to the ranks of the Domestic Enemies……

      ….it attempts to make the choice of socialism as the reasonable answer against the prospect of Fascism without honoring the precepts of the Constitutional Republican form of Guv’mnt that was favored by the Founding Fathers, only after lives spent considering the lessons of history and the wisdoms of the great minds preserved on parchments, hearts and souls……..

      …..with boiling blood I’ll leave you to consider my opinion……..

      • 109 Tenacity February 26, 2012 at 9:33 am

        Thank you slcraig. For the record, I agree with your synopsis. This is a very dangerous piece and is what we should expect to have to fight in 2012 and beyond. The left has refined its subversive message and masked it to conform to some so-called patriotic ideology. Extremely dangerous and we must be prepared.

    • 110 Troy February 26, 2012 at 9:34 am

      I could go on and on and on about the above video, but I’ll instead just summarize.

      It’s a typical Marxist propaganda piece and utilizes age old Marxist techniques – commit the crimes, cause the damage, blame others and pretend to be the solution.

      • 111 slcraig February 26, 2012 at 10:41 am

        Tenacity and Troy;

        Both well said by well found travelers and if I were one predisposed to brevity in the face of outrage I too would attempt to echo your thoughts so concisely descriptive of the propagandistic nature and evil intent of the production.

  27. 112 Voco Indubium February 26, 2012 at 2:08 am

    RE: Where should be the focus? On nbc or bc ?

    Two opinions expressed above:

    1. (Stan Stanfield): “…..Troy: The thing about just “discussing NBC” is that TPTB can string that one out forever, with various legal points of view regarding it. What they can’t string out is the fraudulent BC that BHO has signed off on. So no, “the birth cert” very much needs to be in “the conversation……”. “

    2. (Slcraig): “….Well, actually you have the situation arranged backwards and the definition of NBC MUST is accepted and acknowledged as the “legal and Constitutional” definition in order for ANY documentation or circumstances to have ANY relevance. Understand that at the moment the eligibility Clause might just as well read; “…No person except a ? shall be eligible…..” insofar as ALL “local” State Laws are concerned and there is NO promulgated legislation by the Congress that “Codifies” the definition in the US Codes…”

    This is a very important question and it should be discussed and debated, to come to a conclusion. Allow me to express my opinion.

    There is no doubt that Slcraig is correct in the above quoted paragraph. However, Stan is also correct, because he is talking about a political or PR approach, rather than the legal approach.

    Consider the hypothetical situation that O is forced to admit that the bc is fake, or a court, after allowing discovery, finds it so. The result would be that the Dems would have to withdraw his nomination and nominate Hillary or someone else, because the political damage inflicted on O, would not be repairable. The same thing is true for the fake S.S. No. So he would be politically finished regardless of the “non-codified” nbc definition.

    In other words, the Dems would realize that continuing his nomination would lead to a certain defeat in November. They would probably allow him to resign gracefully based on some imaginary excuse, so that the collateral damage to the Dem Party is minimized.

    In the meantime the courts would be busy with dozens of old and new lawsuits, where the critical point is nbc. The Dem Party would continue to drag them out, so they would not show up at the doorstep of SCOTUS before the election. After the election, if the Dem nominee wins, the issue will be swept under the rug. If the GOP nominee wins and the GOP gets more congressional seats, there is a slight chance that SCOTUS will be forced to address the issue, however, not guaranteed, because, as Slcraig pointed out the Establishment GOP is RINO. Nevertheless, O would disappear quietly from the political arena.

    Conclusion: So even if nbc not “codified” by 1/9/2013, the fake bc and the fake SS No. could do the job.

    • 113 slcraignbc February 26, 2012 at 5:36 am

      Any thought that the “0” will go quietly into obscurity is to ignore, or disbelieve, the depths of commies/marxist/socialist/progressive/liberal/Dem0Rat/RINO/muslim-Jihadist infiltration / insurgency into the Institutions of the U.S. Guv’mnt…..

      It is also to ignore, or disbelieve, that a large portion of the guv’mnt, (elected, appointed & hired), is aligned with the goals of ‘foreign enemies’ to disestablish the Constitutional Foundation of the U.S., with or without a bloody revolution.

      Those thoughts expose the pessimism that has washed over me, but to address the means of ending this regimes reign by legal mechanisms on the subject at hand it is important to understand the distinctions between “Impeachment and Removal”.

      Impeachment, for causes of High Crimes and Misdemeanors, is conducted within the Political Arena and subject to general Rules that are Amendable as the process unfolds and always subject to the prevailing Political Will.

      Removal is subject to the Operation of Law.

      The eligibility Clause is an “exclusionary prerequisite imperative requirement provision” containing NO language that would suggest that it is ‘discretionary’ in any sense.

      No circumstance can annul the needs or effect of the Clause short of a Constitutional Amendment.

      Although ‘eligible’ informs the ‘prerequisite’ nature of the imperative, that imperative does not expire, ever.

      So, when the definition of NBC is opined in a Declaratory form by a controlling legal authority it becomes ENFORCEABLE upon any person then seated and becomes effective to exclude any seeking the seat.

      Articles of Impeachment is a Political function by the House requiring a trial by the Senate.

      Articles of Removal is a process of Operation of Law and, just as a final Judgment of the SCOTUS, it would become enforceable upon publication.

      Removal would have the effect of “nullifying” all Acts of the Usurper and any “exceptions’ expressed by the Congress within the Articles of Removal in favor of the Usurper or the Acts, would be subject to contest and review in Civil actions, just as all Acts of the Congress are reviewable when ‘new law’ is made.

      • 114 Voco indubium February 26, 2012 at 8:15 pm

        RE: (slcraig) “Any thought that the “0″ will go quietly into obscurity is to ignore, or disbelieve, the depths of commies/marxist/socialist/progressive/liberal/ Dem0Rat/RINO/muslim-Jihadist infiltration / insurgency into the Institutions of the U.S. Guv’mnt…..”

        Yes, it is possible that I am underestimating that, or I am still a cautious optimist, who believes that the obvious truth, as water held back by a massive dam built of corruption and deceptions, will at one moment break the now leaking dam.

        I understand the difference between impeachment and removal. But I don’t think either one is likely.

        I think when the “water” leaks so much that the break looks imminent, the Dems will make a deal with the Establishment GOP (who unfortunately still seems to be able to control their party). The deal could be that O voluntarily withdraws from the nomination, and on the other hand, the GOP will keep quiet about eligibility and the fraud. This will save face for O and the Dem Party. Both parties would agree that they continue the current policy of silence, and continue to influence the courts to do the same. The courts would continue avoiding the issue.

        The GOP would be happy to take such deal, as they believe that Hillary would be easier to beat than O. The Dems would save themselves the embarrassment that would come if O is disqualified.

        Of course, this is just a theory.

    • 115 drkate February 26, 2012 at 10:55 am

      The only thing about the BC that needs to be examined is the presence or lack of an embossed seal. There is no document that Obama has released that has the embossed seal. That is the law in just about every state. Bring that in, with a focus also on NBC, and we’ve got him. He cannot prove he was born in the US.

      According to Miss Tickly, Lakins trial judge (Denise Lind) saw something that caused her to say Barrack Obama is the 44th president. That must have been his real BC that she saw, but denied to Lakin and sent him to jail. Lakin focused on the BC not NBC, so they are hoping Lakin’s trial put an end to this.

  28. 116 bill February 26, 2012 at 6:59 am

    Seems like I have been laboring under a misconception.I thought there were “ballot eligibility hearings” in Georgia and Indiana but in fact what is actually happening is a card game called “Fish” When Mr.Obama is asked to submit documents to prove who he claims to be” He simply alludes that we must “Go Fish” 😉
    I’m wondering how long it will take for some clever attorney to use the precedent of the “Go Fish” defense in court. 🙂

  29. 117 Bob's Box February 26, 2012 at 7:40 am

    AZ Governor Jan Brewer (RINO) endorses fellow RINO Mitt Romney for President on Meet The Press

    • 118 Paula February 26, 2012 at 10:03 am

      Arrrgh! So did Christine O’Donnell. Traitors. Sellouts. Liars. Romney is a lying socialist-lite.

      Americans need to stop putting these sellouts in offices of authority but what other choice is there when the lowly citizen won’t dare run against these big money establishment candidates and when Americans don’t have the discernment to tell who is the best candidate to vote for.

    • 119 heather February 26, 2012 at 11:08 am

      isn’t she one of the 10 governors appointed by barry for his martial law/fema camp prison–i think so.

  30. 120 Papoose February 26, 2012 at 9:41 am

    as much as i am enthralled with UM and WHI, I believe they are committing treason. if there is a grain of sand of truth in those articles, they are complicit.

    UM could be Joe Klein, again, for all we know.

    misprison of felony, on the record.

    • 122 slcraignbc February 26, 2012 at 1:12 pm

      It is here where we will find the manifestation of the concept of the final battle between Righteousness and Evil on Earth.

      Fulfillment of the Book of Revalations….?

      At the very least the attempt to make it so by a religion gone mad by its very design.

      The cult of islam and its alla are usurped caricatures of the patriarchs and angels of the Old and New Testaments invented by the corrupt and evil mind of mohamed who refused the call of God in favor of his own prideful jealousies.

      What mohamed saw in the Jews and Christians of his time is what the leaders of the islamic world, (and commie / socialist), see in the world today.

      Their eye’s can not discern because their souls are empty by design of the cult. So they are taught that they can fill their souls by stealing the lives and properties of others and if they die trying they will get f***, ahh,…err the pleasures of virgins……..

      It is not so much whether this is the fulfillment of prophesies, but rather will we conduct ourselves with the Faith in Gods given unalienable Right to protect our Country, Families and selves by FAITH in the Righteousness of natures laws and the God of nature,

      (expressed in a manner consistent with proscription against the establishment of a specific Religious doctrine).

  31. 123 jacqlynsmith February 26, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Farther down the Rabbithole with Rod Class WOW
    Rod Class explains FDR’s kidnapping of our rights. He will be a write in candidate for President- POTUS.
    This farther Down the Rabbit Hole series by Rod Class needs to go viral-worldwide. NO we are not aliens on our own land , nor slaves of the government.

    Rod Class- lectures on the illegal passing of Laws by 25 people , in 1933 forward due to the suspension of the norm
    Rod Class is excellent teacher and explains the goverments stealth in putting us into slavery by selling our signatures, ect.
    Destroyed the Military Manual that gave an explanation of how the country and military were required to operate. FDR was not a man , he was a maniac.
    We became an alien enemy resident. Licensing, deeds , Social Seciurity ID. He made us the enemy. They are embezzeling our natural resources

  32. 124 jacqlynsmith February 26, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    Only reason CNN(Communist News Network)is shocked is because they are in bed with the folks that run the UNCONSTITUTIONAL Federal Reserve and they can’t believe someone is BRAVE enough to take them on… is time people wake up and LISTEN TO THE DOC….he is the ONLY ONE standing with WE THE PEOPLE and wants to do the RIGHT thing! WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE OUR REPUBLIC IS COMPLETELY GONE!!!!

    CNN: Ron Paul New Ad Shocks America

  33. 127 jane February 26, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    HERE is the GOVERNOR list for LAST YEAR, martial law!!!
    Scroll down the page and check the box!

    • 128 heather February 26, 2012 at 8:37 pm

      of course jan brewer, I thought I remembered her on the list–as well as brad henry our old governor—he used to be a blue dog dem until barry took over — then he became what they wanted him to be.

  34. 129 jacqlynsmith February 26, 2012 at 5:20 pm

    More truth coming forth…..

    UFOs Directed Laser-Like Beams Onto Nuclear Weapons Storage Sites: USA and Soviet Facilities Targeted During Cold War

    Date: Sunday, 26-Feb-2012 17:21:43

    Saturday, February 25, 2012
    Yes, the title of this article sounds like science fiction. Nevertheless, declassified American and Soviet government documents confirm that UFOs flew near and even hovered over large numbers of nuclear weapons sites during the Cold War era, including bomb and missile warhead storage depots.
    A number of those incidents have been publicly discussed in recent years by ex-military personnel who witnessed the mysterious incursions at various bases. In one such case, a UFO apparently directed laser-like beams of light down onto the U.S. Air Force’s largest nuclear Weapons Storage Area (WSA) in Europe. That event was mentioned during my September 27, 2010 “UFOs and Nukes” press conference, which CNN streamed live:

    Disclosure Conference, National Press Club, 27 September 2010 (extended version, English subtitles)

    The shocking incident occurred at the American-operated RAF Bentwaters base in Suffolk, England in December 1980. In the video above, Bentwaters’ former Deputy Base Commander, retired USAF Col. Charles Halt, tells the assembled reporters that he personally observed the UFO, as well as the light beams emanating from it. Although Halt’s remarks were necessarily brief during the press conference—six other USAF veterans presented testimony as well—his description of the sighting has been more detailed in previous interviews. As I write in my book UFOs and Nukes:
    During a May 13, 1997 interview with journalist A.J.S. Rayl, Halt said, “[After leaving the woods, our search team] crossed the farmer’s field past his house and across the road, stumbled through a small stream, and went out into a large plowed field…About that same time, somebody noticed a [UFO in the southern sky]. It was round—did not change shape—and at one point it appeared to come toward us at a very high speed. It stopped overhead and sent down a small pencil-like beam, sort of like a laser beam…It illuminated the ground about ten feet from us and we just stood there in awe wondering whether it was a signal, a warning, or what it was. We really didn’t know. It clicked-off as though someone threw a switch, and the object receded, back up into the sky. Then it moved back toward Bentwaters, and continued to send down beams of light, at one point near the weapons storage facility. We knew that because we could hear the chatter on the [two-way] radio.”
    Halt further discussed the incident at the WSA during a Sci Fi Channel television program, UFO Invasion at Rendlesham, which first aired in December 2003. After some prodding by the show’s host, Bryant Gumble, a reluctant Halt stated, “The object to the south was actually sending some beams down near, or into, the Weapons Storage Area. That caused me a great deal of concern. You know, what was it doing there? Was it searching for something, was it trying to—who knows what it was trying to do?” For a split second, it seemed as if Halt would say something like, “Was it trying to zap the nukes?” but caught himself before the words left his lips.
    Given these public statements, I decided to approach Halt, in the hope that he would elaborate on the nuclear weapons aspect of the sightings at Bentwaters. My telephone interview with him took place on February 7, 2006. Among other things, Halt told me, “[While we were in the forest and, later, in the farmer’s field] we heard radio conversations on the Law Enforcement frequency, the Security Police frequency, and the Command Network. Now, we were having a lot of problems with the radios. They were really acting up. We were getting a lot of interference and static, but we could hear talk about one of the objects [being] in the vicinity of the Bentwaters WSA. I heard that some of the beams, or whatever they were, came down into the WSA. As I recall, the guard in the tower at the WSA made that report.”
    During the telephone interview, I asked Halt, “Were you ever concerned that the UFO was attempting to disable or otherwise compromise the integrity of the nuclear weapons?” He replied, “I can’t comment on that, the way you worded it.” He then paused a moment and said, “I did have great concern about the purpose of the beams.” I then said, “So you wouldn’t rule out the possibility that the object was trying to disable some of the weapons?” After another pause, Halt replied softly, “I can’t comment about the weapons.” Pressing on, I asked a follow-up question, “Did you ever hear any rumors about some of the weapons being removed from the WSA and being shipped back to the United States for inspection?” Halt replied, “I have no comment on that.”
    As I discuss in my book, in 1994, another retired USAF officer who had been very high up in the NATO nuclear weapons security organization, told me that shortly after the incident two tactical nuclear bombs had been removed from one of the bunkers at the Bentwaters WSA and shipped to Kirtland AFB, New Mexico for inspection. This individual, who I am not at liberty to identify, claimed not to know the results of that analysis.
    Over the years, other ex-USAF personnel have told me about UFOs directing beams of light—some of them laser-like; others appearing to be searchlights—down onto nuclear missile silos. Several examples are referenced in my book, which is available at my website.
    The “Soviet Bentwaters” Incident
    In July 1989, an intriguing UFO incident occurred at the Soviet missile test complex known as Kapustin Yar, located south of the city of Volgograd, in southwestern Russia. At the time, a group of 12 intermediate-range missiles, RT-14s, were operational at Kapustin Yar and spare nuclear warheads were stored in a nearby weapons depot.
    The information about the UFO sighting comes directly from declassified KGB documents, secured by Western researchers and journalists following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Don Berliner, of the Fund for UFO Research, notes that the KGB file contained the depositions of seven Soviet military personnel, drawings of the UFO made by some of the observers, and a case summary written by an unnamed KBG officer, from which Berliner excerpted the following passage:
    Military personnel of the signal center observed UFOs in the period from 22:12 hrs. to 23:55 hrs. on 28 July 1989. According to the witnesses’ reports, they observed three objects simultaneously, at a distance of 3-5 km. After questioning the witnesses, it was determined that the reported characteristics of the observed UFOs are: disc 4-5 m. diameter, with a half-sphere on top, which is lit brightly. It moved sometimes abruptly, but noiselessly, at times coming down and hovering over ground at an altitude of 20-60 m. The command of [censored] called for a fighter… but it was not able to see it in detail, because the UFO did not let the aircraft come near it, evading it. Atmospheric conditions were suitable for visual observations.
    Berliner writes, “The most detailed communication was submitted by the Officer-on-Duty, Ensign Valery N. Voloshin. A captain from the telegraph center informed him at 23:20 hrs. that ‘an unidentified flying object, which he called a flying saucer, was hovering over the military unit for over an hour.’ After confirming the sighting with the operation signal officer on duty, Ensign Voloshin and Private Tishchayev climbed the first part of an antenna tower.” According to [Voloshin’s] deposition:
    One could clearly see a powerful blinking signal which resembled a camera flash in the night sky. The object flew over the unit’s logistics yard and moved in the direction of the rocket weapons (nuclear warhead) depot, 300 meters away. It hovered over the depot at a height of 20 meters. The UFO’s hull shone with a dim green light which looked like phosphorous. It was a disc, 4 or 5 m. in diameter, with a semispherical top.While the object was hovering over the depot, a bright beam appeared from the bottom of the disc, where the flash had been before, and made two or three circles, lighting the corner of one of the buildings…The movement of the beam lasted for several seconds, then the beam disappeared and the object, still flashing, moved in the direction of the railway station. After that, I observed the object hovering over the logistics yard, railway station and cement factory. Then it returned to the rocket weapons depot, and hovered over it at an altitude of 60-70 m. The object was observed from that time on, by the first guard-shift and its commander. At 1:30 hrs., the object flew in the direction of the city of Akhtubinsk and disappeared from sight…
    The remarkable UFO incident at Kapustin Yar’s nuclear warhead depot, as summarized by the KGB, has obvious parallels with the sighting at the USAF Weapons Storage Area at RAF Bentwaters in December 1980. In each case, a disc-shaped object hovered at low altitude over (or near) a nuclear weapons storage site and released beams of light down into it for unknown reasons. When I sent a copy of Berliner’s report to Colonel Halt, he responded simply, “This all sounds very familiar.”
    UFOs Allegedly Over Nuclear Weapons Depots in Soviet-Era Poland: One of the Unknown Objects Repeatedly Emitted a Light Beam Toward the Ground
    UFOs are Stalking and Intercepting Dummy Nuclear Warheads During Test Flights
    Retired U.S. Air Force ICBM Targeting Team Chief Says
    The Big Sur Incident Was Not An Isolated Case

  35. 134 jacqlynsmith February 26, 2012 at 5:28 pm

    Let’s see if the ELECTION rigging is STOPPED…..maybe we can have the truth for a change……

    CNN: Ron Paul Leads Super Tuesday

  36. 137 Jan February 26, 2012 at 8:13 pm

    CDR Kirschner’s blog updated info on PA

  37. 139 jacqlynsmith February 26, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    He is worse than Mitt for putting his foot in his mouth. Santorum says, “I don’t believe in separation of church and State.”


    • 140 drkate February 26, 2012 at 10:45 pm

      NYT skewered Santorum in every editorial today, accusing the R’s of going back to the stone age.

      Not one mention of Paul, BTW.

      • 141 slcraignbc February 27, 2012 at 5:31 am

        “It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.”

        –George Washington, letter to the Hebrew Congregation of Newport, Rhode Island, 1790

  38. 142 uguesswhat February 26, 2012 at 9:56 pm

    Ron Paul and Ghandi . . . . . .The second non-Gandhian scenario being experienced by Ron Paul is that he is now in cahoots with Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney? Bost and tosh. This collusion scenario too is an attempt to deflect the Congressman from his goal of bringing liberty to the world. For surely Dr. Paul would be the junior partner in any such amalgamation, at least in the eyes of the mainstream media and the real power brokers in the Republican Party. Maybe, possibly, he or his son Senator Rand Paul from Kentucky will be offered the Vice Presidential spot on the ticket. Another False Flag . . . more lies!!!

  39. 145 jacqlynsmith February 26, 2012 at 11:32 pm

    Latest report from the White Hats…..

    Monday, February 27, 2012
    February 27, 2012 – White Hats Report #37
    The White Hats Call For Joint International Criminal Investigation: America Demands Its $15 Trillion Dollars Back!

    Continues here…

  40. 147 Jan February 28, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    The Federal Reserve Act EXPIRES as of December 23, 2012. The ABOLISH clause is gone with it, the next contract will NOT contain that provision. EVERYONE BUT Ron Paul would sign the new adhesion contract

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