The Garden of Eden

©2012 drkate

When Bush invaded Iraq, the so-called ‘cradle of civilization’ I knew all hell had broken out.  For they were not after the antiquities to sell, but to instead destroy them, erasing all evidence of our life on Earth with God.

Continuing the series on Evolution v Creation, a turn now to an explanation of the long lives of the first people and reports of giants of us humans as written in various sections of the Bible…and the fossil record. Noah is reported to have been 600 years old when he built the Ark. What conditions would allow people to grow big and live a long life?  That must have been the environment of a garden like Eden, fruitful and well-watered‘,  After man’s fall the earth was ‘cursed’: ‘requiring toiling and presence of thorns’.

The following video shows that garden-like conditions and large humans and animals did exist in many places on earth because of  the atmospheric conditions that existed prior to the flood. The exact location of Eden was likely hidden long-before the flood.

As readers noticed and noted in the last post, evolutionists insert millions if not billions of years between the six days of creation, and evidence supporting these views can be called into question  But evolutionism pervades our textbooks, tests, and curriculum, and children as well as adults are encouraged to adopt that viewpoint alone.  Supported by our tax dollars in gubmint schools.

As the next lecture, ‘The Garden of Eden’ unfolds, we finally understand why those millions and billions of years had to be inserted between the Creation’s Six day period:  to destroy our connection with and  the legitimacy of God, Jesus the Christ, and the Holy Spirit.  According to this series, everything that was buried in the flood comprises the oil, coal etc we use today. So are we now extracting oil–the remnants of all life after the flood?–and bomb, are we looting destroying the physical evidence buried in the flood?

59 Responses to “The Garden of Eden”

  1. 1 drkate May 6, 2012 at 9:29 am

    This is a fascinating video as evidence for an earth atmosphere filled with Oxygen as the main ingredient for long life and size, including dinosaurs, is presented. In the rock world, the chemical composition of air inside vacuoles of rocks, when analyzed, indicate a completely different atmosphere than today. What is most interesting is how dinosaurs lived at such size but had nostrils only the size of a modern day horse…

  2. 5 axyzaba May 6, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    GOP Threw 2012 Election to Obama in 2009 – Multi-billion dollar ponzi scheme involving Romney and Son

    The GOP knew these things before Obama was elected.

    The GOP is, one more time, throwing the election into Obama’s lap.

    • 6 drkate May 7, 2012 at 1:49 pm

      now if this is raised early enough maybe at the RNC convention in Tampa Paul will win the nomination…romney is a clear loser to obama even without this, but this may convince people who really want to beat obama to go with Paul.

  3. 7 Rene May 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm

    This guy is out to lunch on a few ides he is postulating. I will address one of theme and that is that we Humans will become God. I suspect he is a Trinitarian, Sunday keeping individual who believes we go to heaven when we die.
    Let’s look at what Satan actually told Eve.
    Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
    Gen 3:2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden;
    Gen 3:3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ”
    Gen 3:4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.
    Gen 3:5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
    Satan said they would be LIKE God knowing good and evil not that they would become God even though that is man’s ultimate destination.
    The issue here is that they would now determine what is good and evil. That determination can only be made by God. Our choice is whether or not to do good or evil not define it..
    Sin has been and is determined by God, our choice is to sin or not to sin. That determination is outlined in the ten commandments of which I suspect this man only keeps 9 and finds human reasoning for not keeping the commanded Sabbath, Saturday today. Sunday was imposed by the Catholic Church in the 3rd century which they had no biblical authority to do.
    As to man becoming God. What does the bible say.
    Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I SAID, “YOU ARE GODS” ‘?
    Joh 10:35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),
    Joh 10:36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
    The scripture cannot be broken.
    Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
    Heb 2:10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

    If through Christ sacrifice God brings many sons to glory than just what are we to become. Humans living forever –NO we are to become sons of God, just like Christ who is the firstborn of many brethren. .
    We will be in the God family which presently consists of God and Christ. The holy spirit is the power emanating from them both not a third person in the Godhead.
    Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
    Rom 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
    This man’s creationism is correct but his doctrinal theology is way off.

  4. 8 Quantum Leap May 7, 2012 at 1:18 am

    • 9 sk1951 May 8, 2012 at 2:48 pm

      There will never be another civil war in America. The government, military and police view Americans as terrorists and will not protect “we the people” anymore. They will protect themselves and their interests. It would be the biggest slaughter ever. We have no way to create an army to take on the powers of American armies. We will all be arrested or killed.

  5. 16 Quantum Leap May 7, 2012 at 1:30 am

  6. 17 Quantum Leap May 7, 2012 at 1:54 am

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  8. 19 Rene May 7, 2012 at 5:58 am

    He boasts that he hasn’t drank beer and I take it spirits for 52 years and quotes a few scriptures that appear to condemn drinking alcohol. Well I guess he is more righteous than Christ. It’s not the drinking that is wrong but the abuse that is wrong. Lets look at Christ and what the new testament says before drawing the wrong conclusion.
    Joh 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there.
    Joh 2:2 Now both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding.
    Joh 2:3 And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.”
    Joh 2:4 Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.”
    Joh 2:5 His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.”
    Joh 2:6 Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of purification of the Jews, containing twenty or thirty gallons apiece.
    Joh 2:7 Jesus said to them, “Fill the waterpots with water.” And they filled them up to the brim.
    Joh 2:8 And He said to them, “Draw some out now, and take it to the master of the feast.” And they took it.
    Joh 2:9 When the master of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom.
    Joh 2:10 And he said to him, “Every man at the beginning sets out the good wine, and when the guests have well drunk, then the inferior. You have kept the good wine until now!”
    How about that , Christ’s first miracle was turning water into wine. I suppose this guy would argue that Christ never drank any. Well lets dig a little further.
    Mat 11:18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’
    Mat 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her children.”
    You don’t get branded a winebibber by not drinking any wine. Of course the Pharisees were self righteous and like this guy thought they were more righteous than Christ.
    1Ti 5:23 No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent infirmities.

    Here Paul admonishes Timothy to drink wine so how can you say the bible condemns drinking wine.

    iMat 26:27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.
    Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
    Mat 26:29 But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”
    This is the Passover service where Christ and the apostles drank wine and ate unleavened bread. This is a commanded annual event. How than can you say the bible says not to drink. Furthermore Christ said he would not drink any wine till the Kingdom of God was established on the earth.
    Once again this guy is proven to be misleading in his teachings. So take what he says doctrinally with a grain of salt. The other info about creation may be accurate but don’t be deceived by his wrong biblical teachings.

    • 20 sk1951 May 11, 2012 at 7:19 pm

      Jesus did not make “wine” as we think of it. It was “new wine” and in our language is “grape juice”.

      A better acquaintance with the use of the word “wine,” not only in the Greek language, but also in old English, Latin and Hebrew, would have saved scholars from falling into the mistaken conclusion that oinos means only fermented wine. The truth of the matter is, as we have shown, that oinos is a generic term, including all kinds of wine, unfermented and fermented, like yayin in Hebrew and vinum in Latin. Thus the fact that the wine made by Christ at Cana is called oinos, offers no ground for concluding that it was fermented wine. Its nature must be determined by internal evidence and moral likelihood. The record of the evangelist, as we shall see, affords information for determining this question.

      Strange how little most people truly know about the book they claim to believe is gods word.

      • 21 drkate May 11, 2012 at 7:33 pm

        For someone who doesn’t believe in the Bible or those ‘words’, you sure seem to be struggling to find man-based arguments why you shouldn’t believe Jesus made “wine”, whatever its modern day definition.

  9. 22 foxyladi14 May 7, 2012 at 6:14 am

    I love those Videos thanks. 🙂

  10. 23 sk1951 May 7, 2012 at 2:07 pm

    Dr Kate: Of the hundreds of sites I visit this one is on the top of my list for truth, politico and honesty. I truly enjoy the comments on each post. But…when god and creation is interjected I become fearful. It is obvious that man has always been a spiritual creature. Man understood his vulnerability and looked at the stares and earth in absolute aw. Naturally everything was reverenced from sun to rain to moon to earth (and women in the early religions)…earth giving plant and animal life for man to live. It is very easy to see where early man…or a hand full…gathered the power of sprite to control and dominate with rattling beads and death threats for non believers. Religions sprang from this humble beginning and invented penance payments…government created taxes and fines. We have also seen the abuse of this power under the guise of god(s) for religion and the terrorist treat for government. Each god being at war with all other gods for supremacy over all gods and over all men. For people to believe in a flying man in the sky that created all heaven and earth is a mythical “belief” or religion of which there are literally 1000’s to choose from. But to take a impossible to prove “belief” and under threat of death…force it on others is absolutely criminal. But what is worst is that religion HAS proved itself to be THE MOST CATACLYSMIC death and persecution invention ever! Even the worst of all plagues has not cause the death and human destruction as “belief” has. But the worst thing of all is that it is a man made invention and can totally be eradicated! Religion and the belief in gods or flying men is my opinion a fine thing for those that wish to do it. But when a religion or belief has “proved” itself to be worst than any plague ever to exist…it is completely “TREASONOUS”. But to allow governments and organizations to exist…with the protection of law and political correctness…that have proved themselves deadly is beyond the imagination of belief or normal thinking. So…what I am trying to say is that I have the deepest of respect for you, your posts and for those that wish to believe in metaphysical whimsical fairy tails. But I do not wish to help support religious organizations that fly under the flag of religion that are nothing more than war mongers and religious government organizations. Honestly, I am not sure what I am trying to say or the point I am trying to make here other than I hope you are standing on the side of humanity and not on the side of religious martyrdom of man.

    So…in short…whether creation or evolution it does not matter to me. But when the “believers” believe that they have the right to kill and dominate over others simply because they believe themselves ant their gods to be supremest…I have a big problem. I would hope that you and your site will not support this horrible human invented atrocity. IMHO…

    • 24 drkate May 7, 2012 at 2:16 pm

      Thanks for your comments, and no worries, this blog will not support anyone killing under any justification, particularly religious, as you say:

      But I do not wish to help support religious organizations that fly under the flag of religion that are nothing more than war mongers and religious government organizations.


      What I am trying to set up for is to discuss how much of what we battle on the political front is also a spiritual battle, which requires looking at history, events, and ‘the common view’ through a different lens. Good v Evil, the age long story, you know? Also to discern that much of what masks as ‘tension or hatred between religions’ is generated by manipulation by the secret societies, the bankers, and others who worship no god but themselves.

      It is not a wonder that this war is on in America, as our Constitution was divinely inspired, and took the work of people, our Founders. The Constitution has its roots in natural law, or ‘Gods law of nature’–. Things that are ‘religious wars’ are not the same as the ‘spiritual battles’

      • 25 truthwitness May 7, 2012 at 11:04 pm

        Dr Kate, ugh I just finished my thought to you and lost it somehow. Maybe this will be an opportunity to shorten it. Though it is hard for me to condense and I struggled with this in grad school – somehow I made it through!
        I made a comment under your article: Francis Xavior Sutton…and perhaps it would have fit better here under your Garden of Eden discussion which was a rich experience to read, so thank you for writing it!

        I agree with your last paragraph. The spiritual battle is the luciferin plan to destroy God’s Creation. This includes the deliberate intent to deceive by using the lie of doing things that destroy what has been held highest bringing harm and then say these changes that are for the good of all people or by blaming causing division, loss, destruction on and on. Those players in this cabal of deception have partaken an agreement that Christ himself was offered. Yes Christ himself was offered the same: to be the top ruler in the NWO. I will share the scripture though I am not implying that you are unaware. I am sharing with any who would like to hear my thoughts:
        This takes place after Jesus was led into the Wilderness and had fasted fourth days and nights. He was very weak and Satan had already approached and tempted. Now he is tempted once again:

        Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
        And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
        Them saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
        The devil leaveth him and behold, angels came and ministered unto him
        (KJV, Matthew 4: 8-11).

        “IF THOU WILT FALL DOWN AND WORSHIP ME” ===> hah Bohemian Grove, Alinsky’s principles that infect the progressive party and many other despicable things that the stinking rot from falling down the abyss that these power mongers think is the glory that is coming from Satan’s offerings and of course the biggest deception of all is that Satan owns nothing it is the irony the ones who think the alinsky taken from lucifer tricks are working for them are bowing to the biggest lie of all: There is nothing but an empty promise of owning the world’s kingdoms and all the glory of the money because Lucifer has nothing to give. {opps long again!} ♥♥♥

  11. 28 sk1951 May 7, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    EVOLUTIONIST: A thinking person attempting to understand using all of his intellect and intelligence to uncover the secrets of the universe. Sympathetic to others attempting to learn the same thing. Willing to share any knowledge or thought about the universes. Willing to accept that a god created all if that is what the facts prove. Does not believe that people should die because they are attempting to learn and understand.

    CREATIONIST: People that believe that a god created all and believe that anyone that does not believe in god should die. There is nothing to learn or understand…simply belive and pray to the flying man in the sky.

    • 29 drkate May 7, 2012 at 5:00 pm

      Where did you get that definition or impression of creationist? And certainly not from the videos I’ve posted. If that is what you believe a creationist, I will disagree. In fact, Evolutionists now are the ones who believe you should die, or are mentally impaired if you believe in creation. Look at the literature. Look at Agenda 21, which is based on evolution. The communist party platform, Marx, is rooted in darwinism, which is evolution as is being used in this article.

      If you think the past two videos have not presented credible evidence for a creation perspective on how life got here and what geologically transpired, then you haven’t looked at the videos. There is compelling scientific evidence presented. And think again if you don’t believe that science–particularly Darwin and evolution–has guided major political revolutions and viewpoints. Do you believe in ‘global warming’? If you don’t, you are isolated and made fun of. Do you believe in a flat earth?

    • 30 Tenacity May 7, 2012 at 6:55 pm

      Let’s call a spade a spade…the definitions presented by sk1951 are blatantly false and could only be believed by a fool.

  12. 31 Jan May 7, 2012 at 4:33 pm

    I certainly believe that God Created all, however I do not believe that if you do not believe as I that you should die. I think that is what Islam teaches, but my Bible does not say that you will be forced to believe or forced to follow, it is entirely your personal choice.
    At the same time I do not believe in evolution. I did not evolve from some bug somewhere.
    SJ1951 it appears to me that you have some of each description correct and some of each mistaken. IMHO

    • 32 sk1951 May 8, 2012 at 2:12 pm

      Jan: No…your bible and god claims that if you do not turn to god and be born again that you will die and spend eternity burning in hell! I think killing me is better…just get it over with. And no…you evolved as everything evolves from a life pool of 4 chemicals in a random dna chain. Man and monkeys share common traits but monkeys evolved from other monkeys and man evolved from their linage. Evolution of life and the universe point to a god not away from one. The theory of creation was meant for fear and control to force followers into believing the unbelievable. I am sorry that it worked on you but take heart…there is life after being religiously abused. Seek the wisdom of the Gnostic’s.

      • 33 drkate May 8, 2012 at 4:17 pm

        Well at least we know where you’re coming from. For the record, I am in 100% disagreement with everything you said.

      • 34 truthwitness May 8, 2012 at 5:39 pm

        Reasons to believe: where science and faith converge.
        Dr Hugh Ross President & Founder
        in 1987 he established the science-faith think tank Reasons To Believe (RTB). He and his colleagues at RTB keep tabs on the frontiers of research to share with scientists and nonscientists alike the thrilling news of what’s being discovered and how it connects with biblical theology. His many books, including: The Fingerprint of God, The Creator and the Cosmos, Beyond the Cosmos, A Matter of Days, Creation as Science, Why the Universe Is the Way It Is, and More Than a Theory.
        Dr Ross says sound reason and “scientific research & the very latest discoveries – consistently support, rather than erode, confidence in the truth of the Bible and faith in the personal, transcendent God revealed in both Scripture and nature.”
        Dr Ross field is in astrophysics. His undergrad is in physics and graduate degrees in astronomy (University of Toronto). The
        NRC to the US for postdoctoral studies. His research at Caltech is on quasi-stellar objects, or “quasars,” the most distant & oldest objects in the universe.

      • 35 Paula May 9, 2012 at 1:47 pm

        sk1951: I encourage you to seek the wisdom of God and forget the gnostics; let God be true and every man a liar. He has left his wisdom and knowledge for you in a book, called the Word of God, and in it, you will find the way of salvation which is a free gift. You are exalting yourself above the knowledge & wisdom of God.

        The Lord God who created you and gives you your very life has every right to judge you for your unbelief, because He died for you on a cruel cross to pay your sin debt (for the wages of sin is death) and rose again for your justification and offers this freely to you–nothing to be done on your part but believe/trust Him. It’s your choice.

        You see, you cannot enter his abode of Heaven without his very righteousness, and none of us have that in our own selves, because we all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, but upon trusting Christ’s payment for your sin, he gives you His very righteousness and creates in you a new man (in your spirit). 2 Cor. 5:21~For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. He counts our faith unto us for righteousness. For those who have believed on Him, it is accounted unto us for righteousness, just like Abraham. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved. It is your choice.

  13. 37 drkate May 7, 2012 at 10:37 pm

    Ah, blame it on dinosaur farts:

    These researchers have way too much time on their hands. 😆

    • 38 truthwitness May 7, 2012 at 11:11 pm

      he he!! agree. saw that – I worked in a research group at a big ten and it was one farce after another I felt embarressed for them It was the deal to publish publish publish the high and lofty – not all research bad but I know the scheme.

  14. 40 PharmD May 8, 2012 at 6:31 am

    I would say evolution is an undeniable truth. I’ve seen too many instances of it to say that the beings on this planet are not changing and evolving to overcome hardships. The easy one to point out would be bacteria. While many of our antibiotics are derived from other microorganisms, not all of them are. Zyvox is a completely novel antibiotic that was designed from the ground up to bind to the ribosome of bacteria. It has no similarity to any known substance released by other microorganisms as they fight their centuries old battle for survival.

    Consider evolution in humans. Where malaria is common, so is sickle cell anemia. Sickle cell frequently has disastrous properties, but one of its interesting ‘side effects’ is that it confers a significant amount of protection against malaria.

    So if we agree that evolution is an undeniable truth, does that preclude Creation? Not necessarily. Tell me where in the Bible that God says he made a static world that doesn’t change. I’ve read the book, and I don’t remember seeing a passage along those lines. Could God have set the whole thing in motion with the intention of allowing it to change and grow as guided by His hand? Sure seems like a likely possibility.

    Many people feel that science and religion MUST be mutually exclusive. I have yet to understand why something must always be A or B and never A AND B.

    • 41 sk1951 May 8, 2012 at 2:02 pm

      PharmD. I have been saying this for years. How is it that the religious decided what god had in mind with creation? God evolved the human race with the creation of women…what could possibly have happened after that besides evolution of the human race. To me…evolution points to a God not away from one. Everything in the universe is speeding away or toward itself in a constant state of universal evolution. We grow from a seed as does all life on earth. This is evolution. So for anyone to state that humans are static and created is absolutely idiotic! For the creation theory to hold true…everything would have to be “born” as a fully grown and matured plant or animal or what ever… Earth evolves everyday reforming and reshaping itself. How is it that the religious can be so totally blind to the marvels that are the universe and life. And why do they want to put their god in a glass case of creation never to evolve to greater things? Is it any wonder that religion has to mentally rape and molest followers with threats of hell fire and beheading…how else could they get anyone to accept or believe this insanity called religious belief? Religion is the worst man made invention ever for god and man. No wonder god left us…I would have too with this insanity thinking. He is supposed to return someday but I would not hold my breath on that one.

      • 42 drkate May 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm

        The theory that everything evolved from a seed or 4 chemicals has yet to be proven. How come no one has created life in the lab? Evolution is a theory, more like a religion; creation is a theory as well.

        “mentally rape and molest followers” is pretty strong language to use for a faith that you obviously do not know, or perhaps are emphasizing the extreme reading of such. you are operating from generalities and uninformed opinions. For example, you talk about ‘religion’ as a lump sum thing, neglecting ‘spiritual’ or spirituality or faith. Think again.

        Not to answer here, but what I’d hope you would ponder upon seeing these two videos–(1)Spiritually, where are you at? (2)Do you believe in nothing (i.e., big bang exploding from nothing and no god)… Only man and science and what you read in the textbooks? In the hour of your ending, who will you turn to? Yourself? Your maker? Who is your maker?

        There are always extremists, and extremists in evolutionism or creationism, like extremists in various ‘religions’ are to be more than wary of.

        • 43 sk1951 May 11, 2012 at 6:47 pm

          I will do my best to help you find more truth…but truly I am taken back with your god stuff. You are changed by my statements…the first step in understanding that you don’t truly believe what you claim you do.I spent much of my life working in and for the church so please hold your comments of my not knowing about the bible or god or what born again Christians are all about…believe me I do know and understand. But where you are tricking your self in supporting religion is believing that there is any spirituality involved in it. Religion is about control and a blind faith belief in god and the bible. You cannot think for yourself. This is in the first book…god hated the tree of knowledge. Knowledge the key word. Gods plan was for you to simply follow his word (as written by man). This is the true epitome of every religious government or totalitarian government… Blind faith… Well…I am waisting my time here…you carry on and turn your head away from anything that challenges your core belief like a good born again should…as for me…I am going to keep on learning…about a god that man did not stick in a book…

          Deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) is how the cell encodes information to make all of the macromolecules that it requires. Most of these macromolecules are proteins but some are RNA molecules. From a chemical point of view DNA is a polymer made up of a ribose and phosphate backbone with varible side groups of Adenine(A), Cytosine(C), Guanine(G), and Thymine(T). Note that the polymer has a directionality associated with it because on one side of the riobse backbone the phosphate is bound to the 5′ position and on the other the phosphate is bound to the 3′ position, as illustrated in Figure 1. By convention DNA is represented by a string of A, T, G and C written starting at the 5′ end and continuing left to right to the 3’end of the molecule. For example the strand on the left hand side of Figure 1 would be written: CAGT. The strand on the right hand side of Figure 1 would be written ACTG.

          • 44 drkate May 11, 2012 at 7:25 pm

            Thanks for your response…for the record, I consider myself ‘spiritual’ and not involved in any ‘religion’. I enjoy learning more everyday. I don’t think I’ve explained who I am, so I reject your characterizations and chalk them up to not knowing or perhaps misunderstanding me. So, I hope you still continue to find posts you like here.

            Regarding the DNA…who/what do you think made DNA? Was that intelligent design or did that happen ‘by chance?

            One of the gifts we were given was to do ‘scientific research’, and to discover those things. DNA is a total miracle, imho.

          • 45 Tenacity May 12, 2012 at 11:20 am

            It’s not god stuff, it’s God stuff. Perhaps you would care to tell us how a mutation creates information. Bacteria shares information, but does not create information. Micro evolution is a given, but macro evolution is dead on arrival as it is all based upon false assumptions that have failed totally to be observed. It is pseudo science by those attempting to deny intelligent design. Macro evolution and the whole life happening out of nothing is a mathematical impossibility…not improbable, but impossible. You best learn what an irreducible complexity is before acting like you have a clue what you are talking about.

      • 46 Paula May 9, 2012 at 1:13 pm

        God CREATED says the word of God, not God evolutionized. He created in 6 literal days. You either believe the word of God or you don’t; it’s that simple. You choose to believe or not to believe what He has spoken in His word. BELIEF OR UNBELIEF: For that is the choice each of us WILL make concerning God’s word.

        1 Tim. 6:20-21~O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: 21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

        Acts 17:23-31~For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. 24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; 25 Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. 30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent (change of mind): 31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

        Col. 1:16-17~For by him (Jesus Christ) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

        Rom. 1:19-25~Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead (Father, Son, & Holy Spirit); so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

        2 Peter 3:4- Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance (a change of mind).

        Rev. 4:11~Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

        Rev. 10:5-6~And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, 6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer.

        • 47 sk1951 May 11, 2012 at 6:51 pm

          Your quoting from one of 100’s of books…all written by man. So me where god wrote the book and I will follow you. Until then…I have a lot of really good fairy tall books for you to read.

          • 48 drkate May 11, 2012 at 7:30 pm

            Can’t have it both ways: that we just are man and can’t know God, or we (man) know all things about the universe and there is no god. You believe in basically nothing except man…is that right?

          • 50 Paula May 11, 2012 at 7:46 pm

            I don’t want anyone to follow me, but I sure do rejoice when I see others come to salvation and begin to follow the Lord as He wants us to (which is to follow the Apostle Paul as he followed Christ). If you truly want to know where the Lord says he inspired the words of the book, then I’ll get back with you; if not, no problem. I know I never said God physically wrote the books with his finger, or a pen, or what-have-you and I don’t know where you’re coming from with that one. Perhaps I’m wrong in going out on a limb here, but maybe you’ve been burned by religion (which is what satan is after) and you’re taking it out on God? If so, I hope you’ll reconsider.

            You said, “Religion is about control and a blind faith belief in god and the bible. You cannot think for yourself.”

            I agree with the first part of your statement about religion being about control. God isn’t interested in religion, but in relationship. Also, I think for myself, which is why I had to leave every church we ever attended, because they were putting us (my family) in religion instead of teaching us who we have been made to be in Christ and that we are not under the law, but under God’s grace, therefore we are to walk after the Spirit (being taught by his word via the Holy Spirit).

            By the way, sk1951, I am a member of the Body of Christ, but I know I’m not a born-again Christian. How’s that one for ‘ya?

            • 51 Tenacity May 12, 2012 at 10:44 am

              John: 1 There was now a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
              2 This man came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God, for no man could do these miracles that thou doest, except God were with him.
              3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
              4 Nicodemus said unto him, How can a man be born which is old? Can he enter into his mother’s womb again, and be born?
              5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily I say unto thee, except that a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
              6 That which is born of the flesh, is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit.

              • 52 Paula May 13, 2012 at 10:27 am

                Who is the Lord speaking to in this passage, even in the whole book of John? Israel, which is why the Lord said, Marvel not that I said YE (plural, speaking of the whole nation of Israel) must be born again. When the Lord Jesus walked this earth, he had come ONLY to minister to the lost sheep of the house of Israel, to bring in their promised kingdom which had been spoken about by all the holy prophets from the beginning of the earth.

                The Apostle that the Lord Jesus has given unto us to reveal the Mystery that had been hid in God before he revealed it unto our Aposlte Paul, does not tell me that I HAVE to be born-again in order to be saved, but he does tell me that I am made a new creature in my inner man because of my faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ Jesus for my justification.

                That mystery that has been revealed via the Apostle Paul is that God is doing a new thing (God saving Jew & Gentile, making of the twain one new man, created to rule and reign with him in the heavenly places) that had never been spoken about before by all his holy apostles/prophets, but is now made manifest through Paul’s preaching of it.

                Tenacity, I encourage you to go and listen to this faithful brother in the Lord who preaches and teaches the gospel of the grace of God and His sound doctrine that the church is to grow by:

                • 53 drkate May 13, 2012 at 10:34 am

                  Just my opinion, the ‘word’ was not only just given to Paul. And Paul reminded his listeners not to follow Paul, but to follow Jesus the Christ.

                  • 54 Paula May 13, 2012 at 4:52 pm

                    You would be correct, Dr. Kate. The word was not only given to Paul. The word of truth must be studied by rightly dividing the word of truth, and I have shared many times on here the scriptures which are God-breathed, where Paul says to follow me as I follow Christ (there are many) and he tells us in 1 Cor. 14:37:

                    If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord, 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

                    He says this because the commandments of the 12 Apostles (which were just being preached prior to Paul’s salvation & Apostleship) or the commandments of Moses are different from Paul’s doctrine for the Church, the BOC. Simplicity that is in Christ, not religious works which are complicated and confusing, because they are not for us today. Paul’s gospel and doctrine is what is for us TODAY.

                    By saying that he means to follow his gospel of salvation and then the doctrine that the Lord gave to him to give to the Church, the BOC. Paul is our Apostle, sent to the Gentiles with THE message of salvation. For it is ONLY by his gospel that anyone can be saved today in this dispensation of the grace of God. The rest is just plain old satanic religion seeking to control and deceive the masses just as sk1951 pointed out.

                • 55 Tenacity May 13, 2012 at 11:27 am

                  You mean Richard Jordan, the guy that even the Dispensational Bible Institute considers a heretic? You’ve got to be kidding me. No wonder you are so confused.

                  Here is what one faithful lady had to say about Shorewood and Jordan:

                  …I believe that you may be underestimating the severity of Richard Jordan’s teaching that Jesus Christ “lay aside the free and independent exercise of all His attributes as deity” while on earth.

                  This is either heresy or as close as one can possibly get to heresy. Believing that Jesus Christ had “no attributes of deity” while on earth (which is what that really means), is no different than what the Jehovah’s Witnesses teach about the nature of Jesus Christ

                  Paula, you are trapped in a cult. Please open your eyes to the truth of this heresy or do not address me and waste my time again. You need to escape from the teachings of Jordan and his ilk.

                  • 56 millertime6 May 13, 2012 at 4:02 pm

                    No, not trapped in a cult, as I just recently came across Bro. Jordon and his website, which is doctrinally sound, as far as I have seen and heard.

                    Then, you do the same and do not address me with your heresy, either. You are trapped in religion, Tenacity, thinking your flesh can do something to please God.

  15. 57 drkate May 8, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    Interesting view on this whole subject:

    Maybe we all ask the wrong questions? 😕

  16. 58 truthwitness May 11, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    Sk1951 you are angry bitter and argumentative those of faith. I understand seeking the truth and making your points as one who is skeptical of believing God for just what he says and who he is, You are where you need to be right now and you are no different from the rest of us. I am weary of your grandiosity as I know the extremes that you talk in, extremes which are not new to me. Perhaps you get off from using shock value. Grandiosity: intellectualism feeding into delusions that one is exceptional. Yet I do identify with the anger due to your personal journey as we all have had that . I do understand that can one life can seem unfair when compared with another. This unfairness idea is a danger zone and God created us with a freedom to choose how we deal with what wht may seem fair or not fair.

  17. 59 drkate May 13, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Comments are now closed to ‘Garden of Eden’

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